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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 5, 2022 20:28:34 GMT -5
Tatanka and Jim Duggan in mid-2000s WWE. It's like "why are you two even here" and "If you're even being paid peanuts, it's too much." They were definitely dated, but Duggan was weirdly pretty over, so it made sense to have him as a guy for live shows, kind of like how R-Truth works. Duggan yells "HOOOOO!" and swings a wooden board. Probably the easiest filler for house shows and dark matches. Tatanka still looked decent, even if he was also a relic, and it fit for Eugene as this wrestling fanboy character to team with someone he plausibly grew up watching on TV. Now, heel Tatanka? Yeah, that was a pity paycheck. I thought Tatanka totally had a place, before the weird heel turn. His hulking bruiser big-man style was different from his old one, and he wasn't bad in the ring. They just had no ideas of what to do with him. My answer for this is pretty obscure: I think if Craig "Pitbull" Pittman had debuted in a post-Shamrock wrestling world, his career would have been very different. Submission-style wrestling gained SO MUCH in the late 90s, but in '95 audiences were bored to tears watching Pittman do his thing, despite how well he nailed his character.
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Post by eudypfohl on Dec 11, 2022 2:37:57 GMT -5
Marty Jannetty as 1/2 of the New Rockers in 1996 was both sad and out of place. Michaels had abandoned him, attacked him, and then pushed to achieve bigger and better things.
And here's Jannetty, still wearing the Rockers now dated 80s/early 90s gear partnering with a little known at the time replacement Michaels. It seemed both out of place and sad
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Post by CMWaters on Dec 11, 2022 2:43:39 GMT -5
Marty Jannetty as 1/2 of the New Rockers in 1996 was both sad and out of place. Michaels had abandoned him, attacked him, and then pushed to achieve bigger and better things. And here's Jannetty, still wearing the Rockers now dated 80s/early 90s gear partnering with a little known at the time replacement Michaels. It seemed both out of place and sad Unrelated to the main point of this thread, but are Bret Hart and Roman Reigns (before his recent Tribal Chief run) the most successful wrestlers to keep their team/group gimmicks (Hart Foundation and Shield respectively) after splitting?
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Post by sungod2020 on Dec 11, 2022 12:03:47 GMT -5
Even when they did try to re-invent themselves with the LOD 2000 look a year later, it failed anyway. They were just DONE by that point no matter what. In retrospect I think they were done as an act you didn't want to miss by 1991. I don't get the idea that LOD/The Road Warriors run was so bad. Sure, they weren't the "mean, serious" bad asses they were in the NWA, more like Saturday Morning superhero cartoon characters, especially when they aligned with The Ultimate Warrior. Plus, they were still very over and became tag team champions to the delight of the fans. I think they adapted well, at least until they brought in Paul Ellering and revealed they got their inspiration from a dummy named Rocco, that was so bad, it even made Hawk quit with Animal following shortly after. In 1997, they still had some life in them, even if they were getting up there in age. It only went to shit when they lost the tag team belts to the New Age Outlaws and then getting owned at every turn. The LOD 2000(w/ Sunny as their manager) screamed they were done at that point. And lets not forget about Hawk's alcohol problems being made into storyline. Back on topic, I keep forgetting Tony Schiavone commentated for the WWF in 1989/1990. It just seemed so weird since he was the voice of the NWA/WCW. Bret Hart could've helped the WCW roster, especially since they were beating WWF in the ratings at the time, but given his booking, it felt like a step down for The Hitman. Also, does anybody remember The Honky Tonk Man in WCW? I always thought I dreamed that.
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Post by Triangle Lancer on Dec 11, 2022 13:36:04 GMT -5
On the same spectrum as Schiavone, it took me a long while to get used to Jim Ross in the WWF.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 11, 2022 15:38:58 GMT -5
Marty Jannetty as 1/2 of the New Rockers in 1996 was both sad and out of place. Michaels had abandoned him, attacked him, and then pushed to achieve bigger and better things. And here's Jannetty, still wearing the Rockers now dated 80s/early 90s gear partnering with a little known at the time replacement Michaels. It seemed both out of place and sad Unrelated to the main point of this thread, but are Bret Hart and Roman Reigns (before his recent Tribal Chief run) the most successful wrestlers to keep their team/group gimmicks (Hart Foundation and Shield respectively) after splitting? I’d say so, but Roman’s Tribal Chief run so eclipses his Big Dog era crowd success-wise. As of now he’s in the midst of his first Hart Foundation in a sense. Rick Martel in late 90s WCW in basically his AWA face gimmick with Kronik and Nash, Sid and Steiner and all of these maniacs running around was pretty bizarre.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Dec 11, 2022 19:23:30 GMT -5
Pedro Moralas in 86/87
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Post by sungod2020 on Dec 14, 2022 15:03:49 GMT -5
Bland NWA guy "Rugged" Ronnie Garvin didn't belong in the cartoony WWF.
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Post by XIII on Dec 14, 2022 15:14:44 GMT -5
Vince McMahon booking after like 2010(maybe a conservative estimate)
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Post by Hypnosis on Dec 14, 2022 16:34:00 GMT -5
Vince McMahon booking after like 2010(maybe a conservative estimate) Summer 2001. Botched the Invasion angle out of pettiness, and after that, desperately kept clinging onto the Attitude Era well beyond its expiration date.
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Post by Psicofreak667 on Dec 14, 2022 17:08:49 GMT -5
People keep talking about the Nasty Boys in TNA, but I thought Brian Knobbs' solo run in 2000-01 WCW was just as weird. Just like Al Greene getting something not entirely dissimilar from a monster heel push as The Dog.
Also I'm not sure how much of it is truly out of place and how much is bad booking, but Haku's WWF return in 2001ish was pretty weird and bad. Seemed like WWF wanted him more to take him away from WCW than to do anything with him.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Dec 16, 2022 4:52:04 GMT -5
Bland NWA guy "Rugged" Ronnie Garvin didn't belong in the cartoony WWF. He had his moments.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 16, 2022 6:25:18 GMT -5
Bland NWA guy "Rugged" Ronnie Garvin didn't belong in the cartoony WWF. He had his moments. Yeah, to me he felt fine, they gave him enough gimmicky stuff messing with Valentine, stuff like that, his silly ring announcing gig. Survivor Series 89, he looks fine next to Bre, Herc and Hacksaw.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 16, 2022 8:53:48 GMT -5
Jim Cornette in the attitude era. Forget the NWA angle, he was still doing commentary in late 98/early 99 and it sounded like he was a relic from another era. It does make me wonder, for someone who has bashed WWF/E both on camera and off for relying heavily on "sports entertainment" and not "serious business" like back in his day, why would he work for them? Let alone for 12 years. Because he is a lying carny piece of shit
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Post by sungod2020 on Dec 16, 2022 9:19:12 GMT -5
He had his moments. Yeah, to me he felt fine, they gave him enough gimmicky stuff messing with Valentine, stuff like that, his silly ring announcing gig. Survivor Series 89, he looks fine next to Bre, Herc and Hacksaw. Not being knowledgeable about NWA/Jim Crockett promotions other than watching a few clips here and there on youtube and reading about its history through message boards like these, did he show any personality there? From what I've read, when they made him World Heavyweight Champion, it flopped so hard the fans were CHEERING FLAIR to reclaim the belt. Makes me think he wasn't over even there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2022 10:13:45 GMT -5
AEW's Nick Comoroto feels like he came here in a time machine straight from 1986 WWF.
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Post by salz4life on Dec 16, 2022 11:30:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure how long he was with WWF, but Buddy Ridell, er... Landell in 94 or 95.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 16, 2022 11:30:58 GMT -5
It does make me wonder, for someone who has bashed WWF/E both on camera and off for relying heavily on "sports entertainment" and not "serious business" like back in his day, why would he work for them? Let alone for 12 years. Because he is a lying carny piece of shit That is true. But in addition he needed money after the collapse of SMW and there were a lot of people he respected working in the WWF offices at the time.
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Post by Hypnosis on Dec 16, 2022 12:08:36 GMT -5
AEW's Nick Comoroto feels like he came here in a time machine straight from 1986 WWF. He's a gangsta now:
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 16, 2022 12:25:06 GMT -5
Because he is a lying carny piece of shit That is true. But in addition he needed money after the collapse of SMW and there were a lot of people he respected working in the WWF offices at the time. Oh yeah I am sure he has plenty of valid reasons for it too but almost all wrestling personalities have had the 'why did they x when they said y?' question thrown at them and the answer is always money because they are carnies and we are marks Cornette is 100% not as bad as his podcast makes him seem, that just makes him the most money so be behaves as virulently as possible
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