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Post by SneakMan on Nov 24, 2022 10:43:14 GMT -5
Punk: If pro wrestling teaches us anything, it teaches us to accept our failures, as well as our successes, with quiet dignity and grace.
*sees last night's trios match*
SON OF A BITCH BASTARDS! I'll GET YOU FOR THIS! WHAT DID YOU DO TO ME?! WHAT DID YOU DO TO ME?!
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Post by Kalmia on Nov 24, 2022 11:32:48 GMT -5
If that match happened anywhere but Chicago it would not have played out like that. I don't think that can be overlooked. The Elite expected to have the crowd out for their blood and played into it. I suspect the reaction they got was a little more mixed than they expected.
And they lost. Let's not forget that for all their dick moves in this match, they LOST. Isn't that what pro-wrestling should be? The crowd gets to go home happy knowing the bad guys got what was coming to them?
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Post by Convoy on Nov 24, 2022 11:43:02 GMT -5
Ftr in shambles backstage Someone post the crying baby jpeg.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Nov 24, 2022 12:10:20 GMT -5
Ftr in shambles backstage Someone post the crying baby jpeg. Is this it? ![](https://i.ibb.co/mhbK0tM/Picsart-22-11-24-12-09-08-580.jpg)
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Post by Cyno on Nov 24, 2022 13:34:11 GMT -5
Ignore the boos like a grown-up. Cena did it for years.Ā Did he, though? Like, during a time when there was a strictness on talent about how they acted with crowds, Cena was literally the only one allowed to respond to crowds. One of his most enduring traits was conducting the "John Cena Sucks" chants. EDIT: Also, the times when Cena did ignore the crowd (IMO) were terrible because I can imagine a regular viewer or even someone flicking past to go "Why is he being seen as the face when everyone hates him?" which hurts a lot of his legacy to me before they actually decided to embrace it. Now, coincidentally, he gets mega pops when he returns so... IMO one of the most masterful performances of Cena's career was ECW One Night Stand 2. He knew the a Hammerstein crowd would be out for his blood. And the way he played up all his "SuperCena" spots for the heat was incredible. I was rooting for RVD to win (and I was a big Cena fan/defender back then, but I really wanted Rob to get his moment). But I cackled at some of trolling Cena was doing. Mind you it wasn't as anything over the top as the Elite did last night. But it was just obvious enough to get noticed.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 24, 2022 14:18:52 GMT -5
Did he, though? Like, during a time when there was a strictness on talent about how they acted with crowds, Cena was literally the only one allowed to respond to crowds. One of his most enduring traits was conducting the "John Cena Sucks" chants. EDIT: Also, the times when Cena did ignore the crowd (IMO) were terrible because I can imagine a regular viewer or even someone flicking past to go "Why is he being seen as the face when everyone hates him?" which hurts a lot of his legacy to me before they actually decided to embrace it. Now, coincidentally, he gets mega pops when he returns so... IMO one of the most masterful performances of Cena's career was ECW One Night Stand 2. He knew the a Hammerstein crowd would be out for his blood. And the way he played up all his "SuperCena" spots for the heat was incredible. I was rooting for RVD to win (and I was a big Cena fan/defender back then, but I really wanted Rob to get his moment). But I cackled at some of trolling Cena was doing. Mind you it wasn't as anything over the top as the Elite did last night. But it was just obvious enough to get noticed. He even responded to the "same old shit" Stuff by throwing in a bunch of new moves in response... to basically aggrivate them more >_> It was a master class in playing heel while not actually changing your face character.
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Post by deezy on Nov 24, 2022 14:29:11 GMT -5
It would be a hoot if Death Triangle won the next two matches as well and that was the end of it at 4-0. I would become the biggest Death Triangle fan if that happened. š
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Post by Chiral on Nov 24, 2022 15:26:31 GMT -5
Another thing for CM Punk staying or going, if he was staying I don't think they'd still take him off the game cover and start selling all his live event exclusive merch all of a sudden ![](https://i.imgur.com/2pEfQk6.png)
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Post by Dub H on Nov 24, 2022 15:28:04 GMT -5
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Nov 24, 2022 15:48:48 GMT -5
Canāt wait for TK to No Comment his way through any and all questions pertaining to the Eliteās actions. But thatās ok, heāll be sure to let us know Dynamite is gonna be a great show Wednesday at 8pm!
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 24, 2022 16:53:35 GMT -5
I am glad the Elite responded to it.
This crowd were obviously going to do this and ignoring it entirely would have made the whole thing unwatchable
Sometimes it is funny to watch the world burn but I don't actively enjoy the fans in the arena sitting on the product
Them leaning into it made the match work because fans will cheer for heels they like and Death Triangle got cheered, it wasn't just the Elite being booed.
I have major issues with the AEW shades of grey approach but I think letting crowds decide who is what alignment is generally the right choice even if I dislike it as part of an ongoing story
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Post by Fade on Nov 24, 2022 17:37:32 GMT -5
I am glad the Elite responded to it. This crowd were obviously going to do this and ignoring it entirely would have made the whole thing unwatchable Sometimes it is funny to watch the world burn but I don't actively enjoy the fans in the arena sitting on the product Them leaning into it made the match work because fans will cheer for heels they like and Death Triangle got cheered, it wasn't just the Elite being booed. I have major issues with the AEW shades of grey approach but I think letting crowds decide who is what alignment is generally the right choice even if I dislike it as part of an ongoing story Exhausted them too. Crowd was worked into a frenzy between booing the elite, cheering the match, keeping up with the action, the occasional rogue anti punk chant; It was absolutely the correct approach. Them Elite boys kinda smart I think
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 24, 2022 17:52:35 GMT -5
I'll never get the idea that wrestlers should ignore the fans or that the crowd are just trying to get themselves over.
It should be a symbiotic relationship, it's essentially the main difference to other forms of entertainment, a live focus group not afraid to show their true feelings and performers that can improvise accordingly.
Of course there's extreme examples of crowds or more commonly individuals going too far and sometimes wrestlers respond badly but I think everyone involved played it pretty well.
More importantly it reinforced my belief I wont get bored of this match anytime soon.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 24, 2022 17:55:34 GMT -5
I am glad the Elite responded to it. This crowd were obviously going to do this and ignoring it entirely would have made the whole thing unwatchable Sometimes it is funny to watch the world burn but I don't actively enjoy the fans in the arena sitting on the product Them leaning into it made the match work because fans will cheer for heels they like and Death Triangle got cheered, it wasn't just the Elite being booed. I have major issues with the AEW shades of grey approach but I think letting crowds decide who is what alignment is generally the right choice even if I dislike it as part of an ongoing story Doubly so because the crowd did genuinely sound split. There was a lot happening, and the move to play around with it and keep the crowd reacting to the match worked really well. It could unify people on both sides to react to the nods to the match and the nods themselves weren't really the nucleation sites of crowd hostility for the most part. And vitally, vitally, they lost. They played the heels and taunted the crowd, taunted the guy they had beef with, and then they lost. It wasn't a big celebration for the, it was a moment of humbling while they dicked around. That was so important. It was six incredibly talented people making the best of a chaotic situation to keep the crowd eating out of the palms of their hands. The crowd would have been way more restless if they hadn't done this, frankly. Chicago crowds have proven again and again that ignoring them doesn't mkae them go away.
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Post by Kalmia on Nov 24, 2022 18:18:57 GMT -5
The Chicago crowd was great. They reacted to the match in the exact way that the Elite and Death Triangle wanted them to. By letting the crowd get all of their feelings out, both good and bad, during that match, they ensured that the rest of the show went without incident.
And ultimately, all of the Elite's shit housery failed. Kenny did the GTS gesture before the Terminator dive but didn't get to do the dive because Fenix (IIRC) blocked him. The actual GTS was kicked out of. None of the Elite's antics helped them at all and they lost the match.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Nov 24, 2022 18:21:53 GMT -5
Answer to original question is hell yeah
As for last night, Iāve stated a few times Iām always of the opinion of f*** Punk. This isnāt a pro-elite thing specifically, though Iām fans of them I had never really seen them till AEW started as my opinion goes back to the Cabana situation
So last night with the Elite taking the p*** was hilarious to me. I was a little surprised the crowd as much as it was. I never thought Iād hear a āF*** CM Punkā chant in Chicago
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Post by Cyno on Nov 24, 2022 19:55:36 GMT -5
It wasn't even just a split "f*** the Elite"/"f*** CM Punk" crowd. There seemed to be people in the crowd that were just genuine Lucha Bros fans and were rooting for them more than for or against the Muffin Man.
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Post by MrElijah on Nov 24, 2022 20:00:19 GMT -5
It wasn't even just a split "f*** the Elite"/"f*** CM Punk" crowd. There seemed to be people in the crowd that were just genuine Lucha Bros fans and were rooting for them more than for or against the Muffin Man. Lucha Bros have some fans in Chitown since there's a Mexican presence.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 24, 2022 20:26:27 GMT -5
Canāt wait for TK to No Comment his way through any and all questions pertaining to the Eliteās actions. But thatās ok, heāll be sure to let us know Dynamite is gonna be a great show Wednesday at 8pm! They did goofy spots alluding to an event They were assaulted verbally and physically at said event and then lost three months of their careers Once again, trying to say the Elite did a wrong thing or now somehow Tony Khan needs to answer for it is outright ridiculous to me.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 24, 2022 20:27:38 GMT -5
I am glad the Elite responded to it. This crowd were obviously going to do this and ignoring it entirely would have made the whole thing unwatchable Sometimes it is funny to watch the world burn but I don't actively enjoy the fans in the arena sitting on the product Them leaning into it made the match work because fans will cheer for heels they like and Death Triangle got cheered, it wasn't just the Elite being booed. I have major issues with the AEW shades of grey approach but I think letting crowds decide who is what alignment is generally the right choice even if I dislike it as part of an ongoing story Exhausted them too. Crowd was worked into a frenzy between booing the elite, cheering the match, keeping up with the action, the occasional rogue anti punk chant; It was absolutely the correct approach. Them Elite boys kinda smart I think That Crowd was awesome Some hated The Elite Some hated Punk Some were unintelligable There was just a random group of Mexican Guys in the middle going "OLEEEE! OLE OLE OLEEEEE!" It was true art in motion
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