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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 1, 2022 17:00:07 GMT -5
Blackpool Great Use Of Everyone's Time Club It is kind of an astounding case of a stable you can't possibly screw up that's been screwed up at every conceivable turn.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 1, 2022 17:05:31 GMT -5
Blackpool Great Use Of Everyone's Time Club It is kind of an astounding case of a stable you can't possibly screw up that's been screwed up at every conceivable turn. How was it screwed up though? Mox won the world title twice Claudio won his first world title Wheeler won the PURE Title Danielson is the only one in the group who didn't win a title and well he's still Danielson he still is winning a ton And then they also won Blood and Guts as a team I don't see how they were "Screwed up at ever conceivable turn" here, when it boils down to the facts, they're one of the best and most successful stables AEW ever produced, all of this was accomplished in under a year. I get they endlessly feuded with JAS and that's bugged people including yourself, but I feel like it's extreme hyperbole to go as far to say they were "screwed up at every turn".
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 1, 2022 17:09:20 GMT -5
If it's true though, I mean... did any of us see that coming 10 months ago? Vince being a stubborn old shithead and going out there on TV amid allegations, HHH having a health scare and literally not even running NXT anymore? It's not crazy anymore because it happened, but I can imagine if the clause is real and it was put in, it had to feel like a longshot and Regal almost hoping for the best. I feel like putting a stipulation in like that is still stupid even if it was a long shot. That sounds like a clause you’d put in a worked contract during a signing segment. I can only guess that from AEW's point of view (assuming any of what's being talked about is true right now) Khan might've really wanted Regal around, Regal might've been of a mind that he didn't want to commit to anywhere long term in the event that Triple H had a chance to return to power in WWE and Regal would otherwise be fine just sitting at home, so maybe they had a handshake agreement that he could opt out at certain points if circumstances in the industry changed. That or maybe Regal just had a sit down with Khan and as a show of respect Khan just told him "if you want to go, you can go" or something, who knows. Even then, though...this all feels way, way too oddly specific, and the reporting on it all has been all over the damn place, so I've got no clue what or who to believe on any of it, and frankly I'd rather not make any guesses about the whole thing, we'll just see where Regal ends up eventually, regardless. Just utterly baffling the way this is all being talked about. If Regal's gone, though, just go back to the original plan and have Mox and Danielson back to recruiting people.
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Post by Jasper Troy Bolton on Dec 1, 2022 17:14:21 GMT -5
Regal: I want a clause that I get a Ferrari and 5 mistresses with 50 inch asses if Vince dyed his hair brown
Tony: like he'd ever do that haha sure man
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 1, 2022 17:19:18 GMT -5
It is kind of an astounding case of a stable you can't possibly screw up that's been screwed up at every conceivable turn. How was it screwed up though? Mox won the world title twice Claudio won his first world title Wheeler won the PURE Title Danielson is the only one in the group who didn't win a title and well he's still Danielson he still is winning a ton And then they also won Blood and Guts as a team I don't see how they were "Screwed up at ever conceivable turn" here, when it boils down to the facts, they're one of the best and most successful stables AEW ever produced, all of this was accomplished in under a year. I get they endlessly feuded with JAS and that's bugged people including yourself, but I feel like it's extreme hyperbole to go as far to say they were "screwed up at every turn". It doesn't matter that they won belts. Like, at all. They took a concept that was interesting on paper and made it boring as all f***. Nobody in the group's been elevated from the association with it, if anything both Yuta and Claudio have significantly less momentum than they did when they first joined, Bryan's basically entirely irrelevant by this point, and Moxley barely even has anything to do with the group.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 1, 2022 17:25:23 GMT -5
How was it screwed up though? Mox won the world title twice Claudio won his first world title Wheeler won the PURE Title Danielson is the only one in the group who didn't win a title and well he's still Danielson he still is winning a ton And then they also won Blood and Guts as a team I don't see how they were "Screwed up at ever conceivable turn" here, when it boils down to the facts, they're one of the best and most successful stables AEW ever produced, all of this was accomplished in under a year. I get they endlessly feuded with JAS and that's bugged people including yourself, but I feel like it's extreme hyperbole to go as far to say they were "screwed up at every turn". It doesn't matter that they won belts. Like, at all. They took a concept that was interesting on paper and made it boring as all f***. Nobody in the group's been elevated from the association with it, if anything both Yuta and Claudio have significantly less momentum than they did when they first joined, Bryan's basically entirely irrelevant by this point, and Moxley barely even has anything to do with the group. Claudio won the ROH Title, his first world title and was the deciding fall in Blood and Guts as a BCC member, Yuta's entire momentum in the company period was because he joined BCC at all off the Danielson and Mox matches. I'd call that elevated. As for Danielson being irrelevant, uh, they just set him up to have a feud with the world champion, off the basis that Regal got destroyed, I wouldn't call that irrelevant whatsoever. As for less momentum, Claudio is in the main event for Final Battle, he's been a consistent on PPVs and TV, and Yuta's getting a Pure Title rematch on a PPV card as well, that seems pretty good. Moxley kinda drifted to do his own thing after awhile sure, that's how Mox is, but he still won those titles under the BCC banner, and lost one because of Regal, all of that mattered.
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Post by Nosnorb on Dec 1, 2022 17:30:05 GMT -5
"The Blackpool Combat Club was a really good stable that gave Mox and Danielson something to do away from the main event and elevated Wheeler Yuta" and "The BCC/JAS Feud started off great but went on FAR too long and ended up dragging both groups down" are opinions that can and should co-exist.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 1, 2022 17:42:22 GMT -5
As being pointed out online…this basically means either Steph or HHH leaked stuff to the Wall Street Journal, right? Because you don’t set something up with that clause if the intention was that HHH wasn’t going to take over creative very soon into that, right? Because that’s kind of insane.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 1, 2022 17:44:25 GMT -5
As being pointed out online…this basically means either Steph or HHH leaked stuff to the Wall Street Journal, right? Because you don’t set something up with that clause if the intention was that HHH wasn’t going to take over creative very soon into that, right? Because that’s kind of insane. I think it's pretty obvious one of Nic Khan ,trips or steph leaked. The question is which
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 1, 2022 17:47:22 GMT -5
As being pointed out online…this basically means either Steph or HHH leaked stuff to the Wall Street Journal, right? Because you don’t set something up with that clause if the intention was that HHH wasn’t going to take over creative very soon into that, right? Because that’s kind of insane. I think it's pretty obvious one of Nic Khan ,trips or steph leaked. The question is which If I’m honestly, honestly going to rank them; Steph HHH Nick Steph because she has motive and it’d really benefit her, HHH because he’d likely be the one who’d know where the bodies were buried but he’d likely be involved again in some way if Steph got in charge and Nick because, honestly, dude had so little need for it, he was probably going to be asked to be CEO next anyway after Vince passed on because of his success in the role.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 1, 2022 17:50:19 GMT -5
Imagine if the entire catalyst for Vince McMahon's downfall was firing William Regal.
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Post by canceled4truth on Dec 1, 2022 18:10:17 GMT -5
Blackpool Great Use Of Everyone's Time Club Now that it’s seemingly mercifully over I’m glad we’re talking about this. What a bizarre use of Bryan, Claudio and Regal.
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Post by MrElijah on Dec 1, 2022 18:29:36 GMT -5
I’m going to have to see if this is in writing somewhere. Ain’t no way he signed anything saying that… These contracts aren't that far fetched. The late George Pérez had a clause in his contract with another comic company that stated that if Marvel & DC came together for JLA/Avengers he would be able to do the art for it.
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Post by The Trashman on Dec 1, 2022 19:37:49 GMT -5
How was it screwed up though? Mox won the world title twice Claudio won his first world title Wheeler won the PURE Title Danielson is the only one in the group who didn't win a title and well he's still Danielson he still is winning a ton And then they also won Blood and Guts as a team I don't see how they were "Screwed up at ever conceivable turn" here, when it boils down to the facts, they're one of the best and most successful stables AEW ever produced, all of this was accomplished in under a year. I get they endlessly feuded with JAS and that's bugged people including yourself, but I feel like it's extreme hyperbole to go as far to say they were "screwed up at every turn". It doesn't matter that they won belts. Like, at all. They took a concept that was interesting on paper and made it boring as all f***. Nobody in the group's been elevated from the association with it, if anything both Yuta and Claudio have significantly less momentum than they did when they first joined, Bryan's basically entirely irrelevant by this point, and Moxley barely even has anything to do with the group. I thought this could be like the Two Man Power trip of Austin and HHH but then the obsession with low card guys like Yuta and Garcia brought Danielson down several notches. Claudio was an exciting addition but feuding with Jericho over the belt of a promotion that doesn't even exist in a midcard feud has him in arguably a worse spot than he was in WWE.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 1, 2022 19:58:33 GMT -5
With TK's history of letting guys out of contracts when asked, it's clear he'll be managing the House of Black in about 2 months.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2022 20:07:50 GMT -5
It doesn't matter that they won belts. Like, at all. They took a concept that was interesting on paper and made it boring as all f***. Nobody in the group's been elevated from the association with it, if anything both Yuta and Claudio have significantly less momentum than they did when they first joined, Bryan's basically entirely irrelevant by this point, and Moxley barely even has anything to do with the group. I thought this could be like the Two Man Power trip of Austin and HHH but then the obsession with low card guys like Yuta and Garcia brought Danielson down several notches. Claudio was an exciting addition but feuding with Jericho over the belt of a promotion that doesn't even exist in a midcard feud has him in arguably a worse spot than he was in WWE.
I could not disagree any more.
The BCC did get aimless after Mox lost the title and I can't deny that, but stables and factions are pretty well designed to help get younger lowcard talent over. Wheeler Yuta may not be a great promo still, but I think he's found himself when it comes to the in-ring and he's a much more charismatic storyteller because of it.
Not to mention that because Yuta suddenly was someone, Garcia seemed like someone by managing to keep up with him, and then beating him.
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Post by mystermystery on Dec 1, 2022 20:17:29 GMT -5
I think it's pretty obvious one of Nic Khan ,trips or steph leaked. The question is which If I’m honestly, honestly going to rank them; Steph HHH Nick Steph because she has motive and it’d really benefit her, HHH because he’d likely be the one who’d know where the bodies were buried but he’d likely be involved again in some way if Steph got in charge and Nick because, honestly, dude had so little need for it, he was probably going to be asked to be CEO next anyway after Vince passed on because of his success in the role. I feel like the amount of time between the "Actually, Steph was horrible at her job and had no clue how to do anything" story that leaked and the downfall of Vince was measured in a "I'm about to end this man's whole career" amount of time that has always pointed to Steph in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2022 21:01:10 GMT -5
If I’m honestly, honestly going to rank them; Steph HHH Nick Steph because she has motive and it’d really benefit her, HHH because he’d likely be the one who’d know where the bodies were buried but he’d likely be involved again in some way if Steph got in charge and Nick because, honestly, dude had so little need for it, he was probably going to be asked to be CEO next anyway after Vince passed on because of his success in the role. I feel like the amount of time between the "Actually, Steph was horrible at her job and had no clue how to do anything" story that leaked and the downfall of Vince was measured in a "I'm about to end this man's whole career" amount of time that has always pointed to Steph in my opinion.
And knowing how f***ing weird Vince is about cut throat business, he probably told her he loved her for the first time that day.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 1, 2022 22:41:54 GMT -5
It doesn't matter that they won belts. Like, at all. They took a concept that was interesting on paper and made it boring as all f***. Nobody in the group's been elevated from the association with it, if anything both Yuta and Claudio have significantly less momentum than they did when they first joined, Bryan's basically entirely irrelevant by this point, and Moxley barely even has anything to do with the group. I thought this could be like the Two Man Power trip of Austin and HHH but then the obsession with low card guys like Yuta and Garcia brought Danielson down several notches. Claudio was an exciting addition but feuding with Jericho over the belt of a promotion that doesn't even exist in a midcard feud has him in arguably a worse spot than he was in WWE. Danielson hasn't been brought down several notches, his involvement with Yuta and Garcia helped bring them up several notches, and I don't see how it could be spun so negatively like this And saying Claudio's in a worse spot than he was in WWE? What the f***? Seriously I'm one of the biggest Claudio fans here, he won his first world title and won the Blood and Guts match since being in AEW and has lost like a grand total of twice. Your disdain and bias for ROH kinda shows here, but no, he was not better off in WWE, jobbing out to people left and right and a complete afterthought after the Mania match with Seth.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Dec 1, 2022 22:49:25 GMT -5
Are we sure Regal wasn't the one who dropped dime on Vince?
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