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Post by bog on Dec 2, 2022 0:55:17 GMT -5
"The Blackpool Combat Club was a really good stable that gave Mox and Danielson something to do away from the main event and elevated Wheeler Yuta" and "The BCC/JAS Feud started off great but went on FAR too long and ended up dragging both groups down" are opinions that can and should co-exist. Fandom message boards of all kinds seem to struggle with dialectics
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Post by ElmerFudd on Dec 2, 2022 1:03:26 GMT -5
As being pointed out online…this basically means either Steph or HHH leaked stuff to the Wall Street Journal, right? Because you don’t set something up with that clause if the intention was that HHH wasn’t going to take over creative very soon into that, right? Because that’s kind of insane. I think it's pretty obvious one of Nic Khan ,trips or steph leaked. The question is which Isn't it obvious that the dirt sheets read FAN and were leaked the news last week by Elmer Fudd?
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 2, 2022 7:17:26 GMT -5
"The Blackpool Combat Club was a really good stable that gave Mox and Danielson something to do away from the main event and elevated Wheeler Yuta" and "The BCC/JAS Feud started off great but went on FAR too long and ended up dragging both groups down" are opinions that can and should co-exist. Fandom message boards of all kinds seem to struggle with dialectics Hegelian or Materialistic?
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Post by Legion on Dec 2, 2022 7:28:10 GMT -5
Assuming for a moment that Regal really did have a 'if my mate gets his power back, screw you im off' clause in his contract, that Tony allowed that to be written in likely shows the idea of Vince ever stepping down was so alien to people they were likely just smiling and nodding at Regal and thinking 'you're mine forever.'
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Post by SneakMan on Dec 2, 2022 7:28:41 GMT -5
Fandom message boards of all kinds seem to struggle with dialectics Hegelian or Materialistic? Thesis: Antithesis: Synthesis:
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 2, 2022 23:45:36 GMT -5
I thought this could be like the Two Man Power trip of Austin and HHH but then the obsession with low card guys like Yuta and Garcia brought Danielson down several notches. Claudio was an exciting addition but feuding with Jericho over the belt of a promotion that doesn't even exist in a midcard feud has him in arguably a worse spot than he was in WWE. Danielson hasn't been brought down several notches, his involvement with Yuta and Garcia helped bring them up several notches, and I don't see how it could be spun so negatively like this And saying Claudio's in a worse spot than he was in WWE? What the f***? Seriously I'm one of the biggest Claudio fans here, he won his first world title and won the Blood and Guts match since being in AEW and has lost like a grand total of twice. Your disdain and bias for ROH kinda shows here, but no, he was not better off in WWE, jobbing out to people left and right and a complete afterthought after the Mania match with Seth. Danielson is in a lower spot than he was when he left WWE, and when he first came into AEW and was feuding with Omega and Page. Hopefully they heat him back up for the world title. As to Claudio, the ROH title is pretty meaningless right now and is not really a world title. It’s not even it’s own company. I’d say Claudio was in a better spot as Cesaro at various points of his WWE run, including the last year he was there beating Rollins at Mania and getting a world title program with Reigns. It’s at least arguable whether he’s better off now, definitely not a laughable notion.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 3, 2022 0:03:54 GMT -5
Danielson hasn't been brought down several notches, his involvement with Yuta and Garcia helped bring them up several notches, and I don't see how it could be spun so negatively like this And saying Claudio's in a worse spot than he was in WWE? What the f***? Seriously I'm one of the biggest Claudio fans here, he won his first world title and won the Blood and Guts match since being in AEW and has lost like a grand total of twice. Your disdain and bias for ROH kinda shows here, but no, he was not better off in WWE, jobbing out to people left and right and a complete afterthought after the Mania match with Seth. Danielson is in a lower spot than he was when he left WWE, and when he first came into AEW and was feuding with Omega and Page. Hopefully they heat him back up for the world title. As to Claudio, the ROH title is pretty meaningless right now and is not really a world title. It’s not even it’s own company. I’d say Claudio was in a better spot as Cesaro at various points of his WWE run, including the last year he was there beating Rollins at Mania and getting a world title program with Reigns. It’s at arguable whether he’s better off now, definitely not a laughable notion. Yeah it is. He was a complete afterthought after his feud with Rollins and Reigns, absolutely goobered at every turn, Rollins got his win back off him and Roman beat him easily As a fan of the guy, he's in a way better spot in AEW, and it's not even close. And the ROH Title does matter whether you like it or not, especially given how many times Jericho's defended it since becoming champion, putting some of his best in ring work with it in a long time, including against Claudio. And given how emotional I was when Claudio won the belt and got his first world title, you're not going to tell me it's "pretty meaningless" tbh.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 3, 2022 0:18:55 GMT -5
Danielson is in a lower spot than he was when he left WWE, and when he first came into AEW and was feuding with Omega and Page. Hopefully they heat him back up for the world title. As to Claudio, the ROH title is pretty meaningless right now and is not really a world title. It’s not even it’s own company. I’d say Claudio was in a better spot as Cesaro at various points of his WWE run, including the last year he was there beating Rollins at Mania and getting a world title program with Reigns. It’s at arguable whether he’s better off now, definitely not a laughable notion. Yeah it is. He was a complete afterthought after his feud with Rollins and Reigns, absolutely goobered at every turn, Rollins got his win back off him and Roman beat him easily As a fan of the guy, he's in a way better spot in AEW, and it's not even close. And the ROH Title does matter whether you like it or not, especially given how many times Jericho's defended it since becoming champion, putting some of his best in ring work with it in a long time, including against Claudio. And given how emotional I was when Claudio won the belt and got his first world title, you're not going to tell me it's "pretty meaningless" tbh. It might matter to you, but it really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme to many people watching. There’s a reason that ROH-AEW poll went the way it did, people aren’t watching AEW to see ROH titles. It’s also not its own brand right now really. It feels like an offshoot of AEW, like when WCW titles were on WWF TV. Cesaro was feuding with Rollins and Reigns in main event programs on PPV for a good portion of his last year there. They cycled him out and into the midcard and then stopped pushing him when he wouldn’t re-sign. I wouldn’t say he’s in an appreciable better spot right now, feuding for an offshoot title. Maybe if they start putting him in one on one main event programs with MJF, Moxley, Danielson soon.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 3, 2022 0:40:25 GMT -5
Yeah it is. He was a complete afterthought after his feud with Rollins and Reigns, absolutely goobered at every turn, Rollins got his win back off him and Roman beat him easily As a fan of the guy, he's in a way better spot in AEW, and it's not even close. And the ROH Title does matter whether you like it or not, especially given how many times Jericho's defended it since becoming champion, putting some of his best in ring work with it in a long time, including against Claudio. And given how emotional I was when Claudio won the belt and got his first world title, you're not going to tell me it's "pretty meaningless" tbh. It might matter to you, but it really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme to many people watching. There’s a reason that ROH-AEW poll went the way it did, people aren’t watching AEW to see ROH titles. It’s also not its own brand right now really. It feels like an offshoot of AEW, like when WCW titles were on WWF TV. Cesaro was feuding with Rollins and Reigns in main event programs on PPV for a good portion of his last year there. They cycled him out and into the midcard and then stopped pushing him when he wouldn’t re-sign. I wouldn’t say he’s in an appreciable better spot right now, feuding for an offshoot title. Maybe if they start putting him in one on one main event programs with MJF, Moxley, Danielson soon. And how the f*** do you know that? Seriously. There are some people on FAN it might not matter to, but you do not speak for the general public of wrestling fans or how they value a belt, and I think it's pretty arrogant to assume that off a FAN poll, that the majority of wrestling fans feel the same way. This place is not a majority of wrestling fans, we're a very niche percentage of them, and that's something that's constantly overlooked here for the sake of pushing a narrative. The ratings have been absolutely fine for ROH segments on AEW programming and the buyrates for ROH PPV's have been some of the best that promotion has ever done. There are not active campaigns online stating ROH is meaningless, the belt doesn't matter, or high demands to get it off of AEW Television on the whole. I watched Claudio's momentum get railroaded in the WWE for a decade, you aren't going to tell me how to feel about it, or that he was used better there than he is being used in AEW. That being said, in the half a year he's been in AEW, he's beaten Zack Sabre Jr on a major crossover PPV, won a world title, and won the Blood and Guts Match. He's been featured heavily on television, and only has lost a grand total of twice, one loss being in a multi man match. Trying to high road it that he was in main event WWE programs doesn't mean shit when he always lost and was never treated like a talent that could win big titles or win big matches. He beat Seth and Seth immediately got that win back, and his momentum cratered again. As a fan of the dude for over a decade, it was not enjoyable watching him constantly get batted down the second he did something meainingful, it f***ing sucked, tbh. And AEW has not done that to me with his run yet. I'm not saying he didn't have a fine career in WWE, but I'm also not gonna sit here and act like he isn't being used well in AEW in the HALF A YEAR he's been there, and that you think you're speaking for a majority in that his AEW career isn't better and that the ROH stuff is a "meaningless offshoot", because you aren't. You might clearly think that way, some peeps on FAN might be sick of it, but in the grand scheme, that's not the end all be all for any wrestling take or opinion.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 3, 2022 0:43:28 GMT -5
I was at Full Gear and Grand Slam and those ROH Title matches definitely mattered to the live crowd. Jericho winning it especially felt like a big deal that night and he's put it over a ton. I agree that the other titles don't mean that much currently (although they add something to FTR as part of their package) but the ROH Title has meant a lot.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 3, 2022 0:48:14 GMT -5
It might matter to you, but it really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme to many people watching. There’s a reason that ROH-AEW poll went the way it did, people aren’t watching AEW to see ROH titles. It’s also not its own brand right now really. It feels like an offshoot of AEW, like when WCW titles were on WWF TV. Cesaro was feuding with Rollins and Reigns in main event programs on PPV for a good portion of his last year there. They cycled him out and into the midcard and then stopped pushing him when he wouldn’t re-sign. I wouldn’t say he’s in an appreciable better spot right now, feuding for an offshoot title. Maybe if they start putting him in one on one main event programs with MJF, Moxley, Danielson soon. And how the f*** do you know that? Seriously. There are some people on FAN it might not matter to, but you do not speak for the general public of wrestling fans or how they value a belt, and I think it's pretty arrogant to assume that off a FAN poll, that the majority of wrestling fans feel the same way. This place is not a majority of wrestling fans, we're a very niche percentage of them, and that's something that's constantly overlooked here for the sake of pushing a narrative. The ratings have been absolutely fine for ROH segments on AEW programming and the buyrates for ROH PPV's have been some of the best that promotion has ever done. There are not active campaigns online stating ROH is meaningless, the belt doesn't matter, or high demands to get it off of AEW Television on the whole. I watched Claudio's momentum get railroaded in the WWE for a decade, you aren't going to tell me how to feel about it, or that he was used better there than he is being used in AEW. That being said, in the half a year he's been in AEW, he's beaten Zack Sabre Jr on a major crossover PPV, won a world title, and won the Blood and Guts Match. He's been featured heavily on television, and only has lost a grand total of twice, one loss being in a multi man match. Trying to high road it that he was in main event WWE programs doesn't mean shit when he always lost and was never treated like a talent that could win big titles or win big matches. He beat Seth and Seth immediately got that win back, and his momentum cratered again. As a fan of the dude for over a decade, it was not enjoyable watching him constantly get batted down the second he did something meainingful, it f***ing sucked, tbh. And AEW has not done that to me with his run yet. I'm not saying he didn't have a fine career in WWE, but I'm also not gonna sit here and act like he isn't being used well in AEW in the HALF A YEAR he's been there, and that you think you're speaking for a majority in that his AEW career isn't better and that the ROH stuff is a "meaningless offshoot", because you aren't. You might clearly think that way, some peeps on FAN might be sick of it, but in the grand scheme, that's not the end all be all for any opinion. Take a step back dude. I’m talking about my opinion of what’s happening and what many people feel about the ROH brand. I didn’t say the majority of people (just said many people) and I certainly didn’t say you can’t have your own opinion. It’s not a personal affront on you to make critiques of a wrestling show.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 3, 2022 0:55:45 GMT -5
And how the f*** do you know that? Seriously. There are some people on FAN it might not matter to, but you do not speak for the general public of wrestling fans or how they value a belt, and I think it's pretty arrogant to assume that off a FAN poll, that the majority of wrestling fans feel the same way. This place is not a majority of wrestling fans, we're a very niche percentage of them, and that's something that's constantly overlooked here for the sake of pushing a narrative. The ratings have been absolutely fine for ROH segments on AEW programming and the buyrates for ROH PPV's have been some of the best that promotion has ever done. There are not active campaigns online stating ROH is meaningless, the belt doesn't matter, or high demands to get it off of AEW Television on the whole. I watched Claudio's momentum get railroaded in the WWE for a decade, you aren't going to tell me how to feel about it, or that he was used better there than he is being used in AEW. That being said, in the half a year he's been in AEW, he's beaten Zack Sabre Jr on a major crossover PPV, won a world title, and won the Blood and Guts Match. He's been featured heavily on television, and only has lost a grand total of twice, one loss being in a multi man match. Trying to high road it that he was in main event WWE programs doesn't mean shit when he always lost and was never treated like a talent that could win big titles or win big matches. He beat Seth and Seth immediately got that win back, and his momentum cratered again. As a fan of the dude for over a decade, it was not enjoyable watching him constantly get batted down the second he did something meainingful, it f***ing sucked, tbh. And AEW has not done that to me with his run yet. I'm not saying he didn't have a fine career in WWE, but I'm also not gonna sit here and act like he isn't being used well in AEW in the HALF A YEAR he's been there, and that you think you're speaking for a majority in that his AEW career isn't better and that the ROH stuff is a "meaningless offshoot", because you aren't. You might clearly think that way, some peeps on FAN might be sick of it, but in the grand scheme, that's not the end all be all for any opinion. Take a step back dude. I’m talking about my opinion of what’s happening and what many people feel about the ROH brand. I didn’t say the majority of people (just said many people) and I certainly didn’t say you can’t have your own opinion. It’s not a personal affront on you to make critiques of a wrestling show. What does that even mean though? Like "Many people isn't a majority of people"?? Well I'm sorry if that sounds exactly the same to me. And that still doesn't mean that a lot of people still don't care about the ROH belt or are that at all bothered by ROH on the program as a whole. You tried to use that against me in the argument, this feels like backtracking because I called it out. You don't know what a majority of people think about a title, brand, or wrestler just because you yourself are very comfortable in your assertion of them. I'm not making this personal, but I am calling BS when I see it when you try and throw statistics out there to prove a point where your only source is a Poll from here, a Proboard I love but a place that is not the abject truth for what's good and not in wrestling, which is true for many places on the internet anyway. I'm not gonna try and escalate this, but I've needed to get this off my chest, so I apologize if this got heated, we can just leave it at that.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 3, 2022 1:08:46 GMT -5
Take a step back dude. I’m talking about my opinion of what’s happening and what many people feel about the ROH brand. I didn’t say the majority of people (just said many people) and I certainly didn’t say you can’t have your own opinion. It’s not a personal affront on you to make critiques of a wrestling show. What does that even mean though? Like "Many people isn't a majority of people"?? Well I'm sorry if that sounds exactly the same to me. And that still doesn't mean that a lot of people still don't care about the ROH belt or are that at all bothered by ROH on the program as a whole. You tried to use that against me in the argument, this feels like backtracking because I called it out. You don't know what a majority of people think about a title, brand, or wrestler just because you yourself are very comfortable in your assertion of them. I'm not making this personal, but I am calling BS when I see it when you try and throw statistics out there to prove a point where your only source is a Poll from here, a Proboard I love but a place that is not the abject truth for what's good and not in wrestling, which is true for many places on the internet anyway. I'm not gonna try and escalate this, but I've needed to get this off my chest, so I apologize if this got heated, we can just leave it at that. I can see where this is headed so I’m gonna bow out.
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Post by Instant Classic on Dec 3, 2022 1:13:08 GMT -5
It’s cool to see him win the ROH title but it’s like winning the WCW title when WCW closed.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 3, 2022 1:17:07 GMT -5
It’s cool to see him win the ROH title but it’s like winning the WCW title when WCW closed. ROH is going to be its own thing again, is the difference. Blame WBD's stupid merger for it not happening quicker.
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Post by ElmerFudd on Dec 3, 2022 1:24:03 GMT -5
What does that even mean though? Like "Many people isn't a majority of people"?? Well I'm sorry if that sounds exactly the same to me. And that still doesn't mean that a lot of people still don't care about the ROH belt or are that at all bothered by ROH on the program as a whole. You tried to use that against me in the argument, this feels like backtracking because I called it out. You don't know what a majority of people think about a title, brand, or wrestler just because you yourself are very comfortable in your assertion of them. I'm not making this personal, but I am calling BS when I see it when you try and throw statistics out there to prove a point where your only source is a Poll from here, a Proboard I love but a place that is not the abject truth for what's good and not in wrestling, which is true for many places on the internet anyway. I'm not gonna try and escalate this, but I've needed to get this off my chest, so I apologize if this got heated, we can just leave it at that. I can see where this is headed so I’m gonna bow out. Just observing but the way some people take AEW so personal like that guy if you say anything negative about it makes me rethink even watching it I enjoy the other product more just saying.
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Post by Instant Classic on Dec 3, 2022 1:28:07 GMT -5
It’s cool to see him win the ROH title but it’s like winning the WCW title when WCW closed. ROH is going to be its own thing again, is the difference. Blame WBD's stupid merger for it not happening quicker. I get that. But I am not a fan of all these ROH belts on AEW tv.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 3, 2022 1:49:16 GMT -5
I can see where this is headed so I’m gonna bow out. Just observing but the way some people take AEW so personal like that guy if you say anything negative about it makes me rethink even watching it I enjoy the other product more just saying. I wasn't taking it personal, I was frustrated by the notion that "This is right because they said it was right", and AEW, WWE, New Japan, whatever wrestling company, any fandom as a whole, I think that take and that stance sucks. I simply called it out and gave my feelings towards it. Hate AEW all you like, watch, don't, think WWE's better? Good for you. If we're gonna start acting like people can't say anything negative about AEW however, almost every current thread going is a ton of criticism towards the product or a specific thing about it, that has gone pretty much uninhibited in its takes. This might literally be the most pessimistic/divided this board has ever been about the product, so like... no, no one's negativity about AEW is being held down, whatsoever. I, personally, just thought that take was bad, and I said so, and it has zero to do with white knighting for a particular product. To say something is matters less or to undercut how something is supposed to feel because either a fan poll said so, you somehow know what a large portion of the audience thinks and wants, or you said so, doesn't sit right with me and that's how it came off, so I said something. And I'd appreciate it if it wasn't turned into another "You can't say anything negative about AEW" comment because that's not true, and it feels like any time I, or anyone else counterpoint something anymore, that's the deflection, and forgive me if that's a bit tiring as well.
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Post by ElmerFudd on Dec 3, 2022 1:54:20 GMT -5
Just observing but the way some people take AEW so personal like that guy if you say anything negative about it makes me rethink even watching it I enjoy the other product more just saying. I wasn't taking it personal, I was frustrated by the notion that "This is right because they said it was right", and AEW, WWE, New Japan, whatever wrestling company, any fandom as a whole, I think that take and that stance sucks. I simply called it out and gave my feelings towards it. Hate AEW all you like, watch, don't, think WWE's better? Good for you. If we're gonna start acting like people can't say anything negative about AEW however, almost every current thread going is a ton of criticism towards the product or a specific thing about it, that has gone pretty much uninhibited in its takes. This might literally be the most pessimistic this board has ever been about the product, so like... no, no one's negativity about AEW is being held down, whatsoever. I, personally, just thought that take was bad, and I said so, and it has zero to do with white knighting for a particular product. To say something is meaningless or to undercut how something is supposed to feel because either a fan poll said so or you said so, doesn't sit right with me and that's how it came off, so I said something. And I'd appreciate it if it wasn't turned into another "You can't say anything negative about AEW" comment because that's not true, and it feels like any time I, or anyone else counterpoint something anymore, that's the deflection, and forgive me if that's a bit tiring as well. Calm Down and have a muffin TK.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 3, 2022 2:01:48 GMT -5
Everyone just f***ing calm down and stop picking at each other, PLEASE?
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