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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Dec 5, 2022 13:55:40 GMT -5
I think another thing to take into consideration is that, back in NXT, a lot of the people Regal was training were completely fresh to pro wrestling, and so needed to be taught from the ground up.
On the other hand, a lot of the young talents in AEW, even those in their early 20s, already have 3-4 years experience or more working the indies. They have their own styles, their own ways of getting over, and Regal's way may not mesh with that.
So, you get a well-versed veteran who may believe that the young wrestlers just aren't interested enough in improving their craft, and a roster of talent who may just prefer the Adam Page route of making mistakes and learning on their own, rather than having someone else tell them how to improve.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Dec 5, 2022 17:17:13 GMT -5
It’s been a crazy, crazy year for AEW and, really, wrestling in general, but surely we’re not at the point of taking an EC3 interview on a Sportskeeda podcast as anything remotely resembling a reliable source, right?
I’m not certain I can think of a less reliable source in literally all of wrestling other than maybe Vince Russo talking about himself.
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Post by J. Hova on Dec 5, 2022 17:26:46 GMT -5
If the roster (90 percent of which have done absolutely nothing of note and couldn't draw money with green crayons) isn't at least listening to advice from a 40 year veteran who is one of the most respected veterans of the modern era, then they truly are empty headed idiots. It never hurts to listen to other perspectives, especially when starting out or if you have stalled out in your career. If you won't listen to Regal, why not Bryan? He has done more and drawn more money in one year than anyone else on the roster has in their entire careers outside of very, very few. He's literally wrestled for free on the indies and wrestled in front of 50k plus at the main event of Wrestlemania, he might have a bit of wisdom to share.
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Post by raymondo316 on Dec 5, 2022 20:27:36 GMT -5
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Post by Killah Ray on Dec 5, 2022 20:47:14 GMT -5
Because wrestling media has been complete shit for a while now I fully expect TK to say he doesn't know where these rumors are coming from and Regal is locked down until 2026....
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Dec 5, 2022 21:27:58 GMT -5
If the roster (90 percent of which have done absolutely nothing of note and couldn't draw money with green crayons) isn't at least listening to advice from a 40 year veteran who is one of the most respected veterans of the modern era, then they truly are empty headed idiots. It never hurts to listen to other perspectives, especially when starting out or if you have stalled out in your career. If you won't listen to Regal, why not Bryan? He has done more and drawn more money in one year than anyone else on the roster has in their entire careers outside of very, very few. He's literally wrestled for free on the indies and wrestled in front of 50k plus at the main event of Wrestlemania, he might have a bit of wisdom to share. I personally disagree. I think the idea that people being expected to go out of their way to seek advice or wisdom from older or more experienced wrestlers, and there being negative ramifications for not doing it is regressive and toxic. It’s honestly akin to hazing in a lot of ways to call someone an “empty headed idiot” just because they don’t go out of their way to seek out advice. It’s a different thing entirely to be disrespectful if a veteran goes out of their way to give someone advice, but this attitude that people are somehow doing something wrong by choosing to keep to themselves ain’t it. It’s the ugly side of the business that, by all accounts, has been eliminated with the retirement of the likes of the Undertaker rearing its ugly head. Hangman Page did nothing wrong by choosing not to seek out CM Punk, Sting, and Regal (if the rumors are even true) for advice. He’s a f***ing 32 year old man who has been extremely successful in the business in his own right. Much less the likes of Omega and the Bucks who are in their late 30s and who it would be an objective falsehood to imply haven’t accomplished anything in the business. This notion that people are doing something wrong or disrespectful by just keeping to themselves is disgusting and toxic, to me.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 5, 2022 21:36:15 GMT -5
If the roster (90 percent of which have done absolutely nothing of note and couldn't draw money with green crayons) isn't at least listening to advice from a 40 year veteran who is one of the most respected veterans of the modern era, then they truly are empty headed idiots. It never hurts to listen to other perspectives, especially when starting out or if you have stalled out in your career. If you won't listen to Regal, why not Bryan? He has done more and drawn more money in one year than anyone else on the roster has in their entire careers outside of very, very few. He's literally wrestled for free on the indies and wrestled in front of 50k plus at the main event of Wrestlemania, he might have a bit of wisdom to share. I personally disagree. I think the idea that people being expected to go out of their way to seek advice or wisdom from older or more experienced wrestlers, and there being negative ramifications for not doing it is regressive and toxic. It’s honestly akin to hazing in a lot of ways to call someone an “empty headed idiot” just because they don’t go out of their way to seek out advice. It’s a different thing entirely to be disrespectful if a veteran goes out of their way to give someone advice, but this attitude that people are somehow doing something wrong by choosing to keep to themselves ain’t it. It’s the ugly side of the business that, by all accounts, has been eliminated with the retirement of the likes of the Undertaker rearing its ugly head. Hangman Page did nothing wrong by choosing not to seek out CM Punk, Sting, and Regal (if the rumors are even true) for advice. He’s a f***ing 32 year old man who has been extremely successful in the business in his own right. Much less the likes of Omega and the Bucks who are in their late 30s and who it would be an objective falsehood to imply haven’t accomplished anything in the business. This notion that people are doing something wrong or disrespectful by just keeping to themselves is disgusting and toxic, to me. I agree with this. I mean it's one thing if the wrestlers are seeking them out to pick their brains on their own. If I was a wrestler, I'd love to pick Regal's brain on a lot. But there's a difference between seeking out advice and being expected to do it. And that whole "these guys couldn't draw with green crayons" shot in the post above yours was completely unnecessary. Especially in relation to Regal. I like and respect him as a veteran but one of the last things I'd call him is a draw.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2022 22:29:10 GMT -5
For an entertainment medium that's basically just play fighting mixed with some thespian exploits, wrestling fans take DIS BIZNESS more serious than the performers do, I think.
I love William Regal to death, but no one man is going to be the authority on how anyone and everyone is going to get over. For that matter, we're only really hearing that was a source of his dissatisfaction from EC3, who is a well-known horse's ass that's still trying to control his narrative.
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 5, 2022 22:59:43 GMT -5
AEW has tons of veterans for wrestlers to get advice from. Just because they're not getting advice from Regal, doesn't mean they're not getting any from Dustin Rhodes, QT, or any of the other guys that have been there longer and have their own already established groups.
Regal and guys like him are of real importance in the WWE system where guys are trained from nothing and never wrestle in front of anything other than a WWE crowd. Many of the AEW wrestlers have learned their craft in front of hundreds of different crowds, while working hundreds of very different wrestlers. They've probably had more words of advice thrown at them from more sources, too.
You can always learn in wrestling, but that doesn't have to mean that the learning only happens in one way. I don't think it's disrespectful to prefer to do this your way, or in a way different to how a specific veteran will tell you. Wrestling isn't just one thing, after all.
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Post by J. Hova on Dec 5, 2022 23:01:14 GMT -5
I stand by my statement. If you are in any line of work, there is usually a person or two or ten that have more experience than you. You should seek out advice and guidance from those people. You are severely limiting your personal and professional growth by not doing so.
I'm not saying you should bend the knee and kiss his ass, but to think that you have nothing to learn from people who have spent their entire adult lives wrestling all around the world is insane.
For what it is worth, I never said Omega, Page, Bucks, etc. haven't accomplished anything. They aren't my cup of tea, but I get why people like them. There is no denying their accomplishments. My point is that the overwhelming majority of the roster hasn't done a thing in the wrestling business and might want to sit under the learning tree of either Regal or Danielson for an afternoon. It certainly won't hurt anything. Outside of Sting, Jericho, and Punk, who hasn't Bryan Danielson outdrawn or made more money than on the roster?
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Post by J. Hova on Dec 5, 2022 23:05:11 GMT -5
AEW has tons of veterans for wrestlers to get advice from. Just because they're not getting advice from Regal, doesn't mean they're not getting any from Dustin Rhodes, QT, or any of the other guys that have been there longer and have their own already established groups. Regal and guys like him are of real importance in the WWE system where guys are trained from nothing and never wrestle in front of anything other than a WWE crowd. Many of the AEW wrestlers have learned their craft in front of hundreds of different crowds, while working hundreds of very different wrestlers. They've probably had more words of advice thrown at them from more sources, too. You can always learn in wrestling, but that doesn't have to mean that the learning only happens in one way. I don't think it's disrespectful to prefer to do this your way, or in a way different to how a specific veteran will tell you. Wrestling isn't just one thing, after all. This is also a good point that I will admit I have overlooked. They do still have some people that they could go to like Dustin, Sting, etc. for advice.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Dec 6, 2022 9:31:47 GMT -5
To be fair, Billy Gunn did say something to similar effect about younger guys not listening to vets like Punk said..of course without sounding like a bitter lunatic eating baked goods.
And I dunno, I’m of two minds. No, you don’t have to go to a Regal lecture or hit up Jake Roberts or Arn. But there’s something to be gained from going to multiple avenues to learn more. You can never have too much knowledge about getting over or the little things you can do as a wrestler to stay over or other invaluable lessons. And if you don’t want to? Cool, it’s your choice. But I don’t think being on the indies for years and years doesn’t mean you can’t try to learn a little something from everyone imo.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Dec 6, 2022 10:43:00 GMT -5
I don't disagree at all that you aren't maximizing your potential professional development if you don't take advantage of more experienced/successful co-workers by seeking out advice and wisdom. That's true in any walk of life, not just pro wrestling.
Where I have an issue, though, is when not affirmatively seeking those people out starts being described as "disrespect," or where people start to try and harm others' careers and livelihoods because of it. To me, that's toxic workplace culture that verges on hazing. In any workplace, professional wrestling locker room included, an employee shouldn't have to worry about being publicly called an "empty headed idiot" because of some perceived slight or disrespect, when they didn't actually even do anything. That creates a culture where the entire locker room is walking on eggshells, worried that something innocuous that they did (or didn't do) might "offend a veteran," and that's exactly what you don't want. That's the toxic, regressive, "old school" locker room culture that guys like the Miz have spoken at length about having to navigate when they were new in the business. Wrestling is worse off with that attitude being prevalent.
And my comments aren't specific to the Elite either. I only brought them up because the "empty headed idiots" line was dropped, and Punk was specifically talking about them. Now that we more or less have the full story, I honestly don't have any sympathy for Punk's point of view at all. And I say this as somebody who went into the whole situation as a Punk fan and predisposed to "take his side." But, like, all Hangman said is that he's a "stubborn guy" who "prefers to keep to himself." That's not really the "loud, public disrespect" that Punk made it out to be. The implication that Punk is, somehow, owed deference from younger guys in the locker room is a problem. Regal, Sting, Billy Gunn, and the like haven't actually done or said anything like Punk did, but the fact that people are taking this EC3 gossip and running with it as some kind of proof that the AEW locker room is "disrespectful" just doesn't sit well with me.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 6, 2022 11:17:36 GMT -5
To be fair, Billy Gunn did say something to similar effect about younger guys not listening to vets like Punk said..of course without sounding like a bitter lunatic eating baked goods. And I dunno, I’m of two minds. No, you don’t have to go to a Regal lecture or hit up Jake Roberts or Arn. But there’s something to be gained from going to multiple avenues to learn more. You can never have too much knowledge about getting over or the little things you can do as a wrestler to stay over or other invaluable lessons. And if you don’t want to? Cool, it’s your choice. But I don’t think being on the indies for years and years doesn’t mean you can’t try to learn a little something from everyone imo. Billy Gunn said it was a generational context not aew , road Dogg in the same podcast said the same about NXT but the true content doesn't get the juicy clicks.
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 6, 2022 11:46:30 GMT -5
To be fair, Billy Gunn did say something to similar effect about younger guys not listening to vets like Punk said..of course without sounding like a bitter lunatic eating baked goods. And I dunno, I’m of two minds. No, you don’t have to go to a Regal lecture or hit up Jake Roberts or Arn. But there’s something to be gained from going to multiple avenues to learn more. You can never have too much knowledge about getting over or the little things you can do as a wrestler to stay over or other invaluable lessons. And if you don’t want to? Cool, it’s your choice. But I don’t think being on the indies for years and years doesn’t mean you can’t try to learn a little something from everyone imo. Billy Gunn said it was a generational context not aew , road Dogg in the same podcast said the same about NXT but the true content doesn't get the juicy clicks. I wonder how much of it is a new generation not wanting to listen, and how much is the veterans being dicks about respect and how none of these kids can get over. It's probably a mix.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 6, 2022 12:01:51 GMT -5
Damn I wonder if the toxic and hostile reaction some people have to hearing people didn't decide that they have to learn under certain peoples' tree might be a symptom of some broader societal thing that might inform exactly why people bristle at the idea that success entitles somebody to your ear. Like damn it'd be kind of crazy if there might be a correlation between these things and life experiences have people generally shirking away entirely because they've had these ideas aggressively drilled into them so hard they decided to break hard in the other direction.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 6, 2022 13:13:12 GMT -5
Damn I wonder if the toxic and hostile reaction some people have to hearing people didn't decide that they have to learn under certain peoples' tree might be a symptom of some broader societal thing that might inform exactly why people bristle at the idea that success entitles somebody to your ear. Like damn it'd be kind of crazy if there might be a correlation between these things and life experiences have people generally shirking away entirely because they've had these ideas aggressively drilled into them so hard they decided to break hard in the other direction. I know it is used mostly for "look how smart I am" but I find it funny that the last episode of Rick and Morty approached this exactly idea of aggressively drilling so hard and overall being a dick shrinking people to other direction. It is something people should be aware of
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Post by Chiral on Dec 6, 2022 14:15:21 GMT -5
If the roster (90 percent of which have done absolutely nothing of note and couldn't draw money with green crayons) I have to give kudos on such an incendiary line to start things off with because wow
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 6, 2022 14:43:32 GMT -5
Weren't Regal and Mox really tight?
Even if you think the class is worthless, just from a "keep my stock high" perspective, it seems like it'd be wise to attend anything Regal or Bryan put on.
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Post by Chiral on Dec 6, 2022 14:52:35 GMT -5
It’s been a crazy, crazy year for AEW and, really, wrestling in general, but surely we’re not at the point of taking an EC3 interview on a Sportskeeda podcast as anything remotely resembling a reliable source, right? I’m not certain I can think of a less reliable source in literally all of wrestling other than maybe Vince Russo talking about himself. All I know is when it comes to wrestling news this is the only man I trust ![](https://i.imgur.com/k72iRhm.png) ![](https://i.imgur.com/LbXQf38.png)
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