Ben Wyatt
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 1, 2022 7:44:48 GMT -5
Did Regal at least explain why he sided with MJF in the first place before MJF laid him out? That seems like a bit of a plothole that's been missed (unless I've missed it somewhere else). I don't believe so. Also....the Regal stuff the last couple of weeks has been....weird. If I didn't know better, Id say there is something to him trying to leave to go be HHH's version of Patterson
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Post by poodoojenkins on Dec 1, 2022 8:14:01 GMT -5
I see we're already starting the "We cheered for him to succeed, now that he has, we're ready for him to fail" nonsense.
Never change, IWC.
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Kalmia
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 1, 2022 8:23:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't like it being inferred that what I'm watching is inferior to something else, even if the heel is saying it. It's boring and cheap and MJF is better than that. Honestly, that’s people adding subtext to the text of the segments. He’s using his success to try and have leverage and now he has the world title, he’s got more leverage. If you think that’s what’s being inferred, frankly that’s entirely on you. Yeah, it is. It's my opinion of why I don't like it. I don't think I've ever claimed it's anything else or argued against people who think differently. You asked why people see things this way and I gave my opinion on why I do. People have different opinions and see things differently. If you see the WWE references as something else, then great! That's on you.
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Post by eJm on Dec 1, 2022 8:31:08 GMT -5
Honestly, that’s people adding subtext to the text of the segments. He’s using his success to try and have leverage and now he has the world title, he’s got more leverage. If you think that’s what’s being inferred, frankly that’s entirely on you. Yeah, it is. It's my opinion of why I don't like it. I don't think I've ever claimed it's anything else or argued against people who think differently. You asked why people see things this way and I gave my opinion on why I do. People have different opinions and see things differently. If you see the WWE references as something else, then great! That's on you. It's more weird and confusing to me that you're getting something that's not in the actual program, promo or, as I said, text itself. I'm literally just wondering how you got "WWE is superior, you're watching an inferior product" from a full of shit heel saying he wants to work there because they'll pay him more and give him more exposure. It's the biggest company in the world, that's just fact. And people boo him for saying it because he's a piece of shit heel. Like, look, I watched TNA in the era that most of the company's storylines revolved around ratings and trying to get WWE's attention and THA ALAMO! HICKENBOTTOM! I can get why that influences people on any time a company not WWE mentions WWE but that's completely different to MJF name dropping the head of creative and co-President of the other company because they exist. Because they do. It's idiotic to pretend they don't.
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Nr1Humanoid
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Dec 1, 2022 9:27:12 GMT -5
If I buy a replica I will just call it the Freddy Krueger belt.
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Kalmia
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 1, 2022 9:35:26 GMT -5
Yeah, it is. It's my opinion of why I don't like it. I don't think I've ever claimed it's anything else or argued against people who think differently. You asked why people see things this way and I gave my opinion on why I do. People have different opinions and see things differently. If you see the WWE references as something else, then great! That's on you. It's more weird and confusing to me that you're getting something that's not in the actual program, promo or, as I said, text itself. I'm literally just wondering how you got "WWE is superior, you're watching an inferior product" from a full of shit heel saying he wants to work there because they'll pay him more and give him more exposure. It's the biggest company in the world, that's just fact. And people boo him for saying it because he's a piece of shit heel. Like, look, I watched TNA in the era that most of the company's storylines revolved around ratings and trying to get WWE's attention and THA ALAMO! HICKENBOTTOM! I can get why that influences people on any time a company not WWE mentions WWE but that's completely different to MJF name dropping the head of creative and co-President of the other company because they exist. Because they do. It's idiotic to pretend they don't. Because he's not just saying it's about the money? He literally said last night he hopes it's Nick Khan that gives him the better deal. He talks up Nick Khan and Triple H whenever he can. His whole reason for hating Regal is because Regal spoiled his chances of signing with WWE. We don't agree on this topic and that's fine. I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm just explaining where I'm coming from and why I don't like it. If it works for you, great! It doesn't work for me and no number of posts telling me I'm wrong about my opinion are going to change that.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 1, 2022 9:56:38 GMT -5
Yeah IDK why these other promotions don’t seem to get that reference WWE in this way, makes them look worse? ...why? I mean, I hear this all the time and nobody has really made a good case for it. Like, yes, TNA made a lot of references to WWE but what made them bad was the context they would be used. They're the biggest wrestling company in the world and have been for the past 21 years. You can't exactly just ignore their existance. You can and you should. Far as I'm concerned every wrestling company should be in its own separate universe. Though even then there is a world of difference between acknowledging WWE and constantly harping on it for cheap heat like MJF does.
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Post by MrElijah on Dec 1, 2022 9:56:45 GMT -5
As I said in the live thread, Regal sold that shot amazingly. And man, you feel Tony's hatred for Max.
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lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 1, 2022 10:08:18 GMT -5
I loved most of the promo but I hope he keeps that bidding war stuff to a minimum thats going to be annoying to hear in a bad way for one year.
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Post by flowercity on Dec 1, 2022 10:11:30 GMT -5
I don’t know who got any sort of rub from that promo last night, but it wasn’t anyone on screen. Just an awful segment.
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Post by eJm on Dec 1, 2022 10:13:46 GMT -5
...why? I mean, I hear this all the time and nobody has really made a good case for it. Like, yes, TNA made a lot of references to WWE but what made them bad was the context they would be used. They're the biggest wrestling company in the world and have been for the past 21 years. You can't exactly just ignore their existance. You can and you should. Far as I'm concerned every wrestling company should be in its own separate universe. Though even then there is a world of difference between acknowledging WWE and constantly harping on it for cheap heat like MJF does. I mean, they’re different sports leagues. Be like if the NBA didn’t acknowledge the NFL. If they’re happening at the same time and relate to the coverage, why wouldn’t you address it? I know you’ve been adamant about that point for years but it’s just not realistic and takes away storytelling aspects. I’m not even saying he shouldn’t tone it down but I’m sorry, TNA’s past sins (and yes, I blame a lot of people’s perceptions on TNA’s sins) and the bickering during the Monday Night Wars. shouldn’t cloud stuff for the future.
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 1, 2022 10:15:35 GMT -5
It’s MJF, so it wasn’t a badly delivered promo (I don’t think he’s capable of delivering one of those). But it wasn’t that good either. He just went way too hard on the cheap heat and references. And it went on way too long and honestly kind of lost the crowd.
It was too generic a heel promo I think and people weren’t that into it.
As for Regal, the whole thing just felt rushed and like they tried to do too many swerves in a short amount of time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2022 10:15:58 GMT -5
He said a lot more than that during this promo, I get people want him to stop with it, but he hadn't said anything WWE related for months, and had and has been cutting very compelling promos, especially in the lead up to the Mox feud, some of his best It really bugs me when people try and condense a dude's promo work like this because he brings up a topic that pisses people off sometimes. His promos are for the most part very good shit imo Hes capable of really good promos, but so often he relies on the crutches of 'local fans and their sports teams are bad', 'How about that WWE eh', and swearing to show what an edgy boy he is, and it kind of dilutes the good stuff. That's basically how I felt.
The attack on Regal was obvious after a few minutes, but everyone did their parts so perfectly in it that I'm still invested in that part of it.
The line about "you'll all keep watching anyway" sounded less like MJF, and more like Tony Khan pulling a Vince and speaking THROUGH Max, and I hate that shit a lot. I hate the Russo-lite work shoot nonsense that MJF does, because I know he's capable of so much better.
The WWE thing is nothing new. Wrestlers have always used the "taking the belt somewhere else" thing for cheap heat. That's ultimately the problem, though - Max uses cheap heat as a crutch when he's worried he's not going to get enough heat just by doing good character work.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 1, 2022 10:18:59 GMT -5
You can and you should. Far as I'm concerned every wrestling company should be in its own separate universe. Though even then there is a world of difference between acknowledging WWE and constantly harping on it for cheap heat like MJF does. I mean, they’re different sports leagues. Be like if the NBA didn’t acknowledge the NFL. If they’re happening at the same time and relate to the coverage, why wouldn’t you address it? I know you’ve been adamant about that point for years but it’s just not realistic and takes away storytelling aspects. I’m not even saying he shouldn’t tone it down but I’m sorry, TNA’s past sins (and yes, I blame a lot of people’s perceptions on TNA’s sins) and the bickering during the Monday Night Wars. shouldn’t cloud stuff for the future. It most certainly is a realistic proposition, WWE did it for years, and my opposition to it has little to do with anything TNA did. It's more that I see little point in bogging down one television show in worrying about another that it's never going to have any sort of interaction with anyway and, while it's not quite as desperate as TNA's nonsense, it does still make AEW look pretty damn amateur having their top champion's entire gimmick be that he is constantly desperately begging WWE to give him a lot of money so he can stop slumming it there. I really just see little purpose in wrestling companies acknowledging each other or working together. End of the way if I'm watching Dynamite I'm there for that and not for MJF and the JAS constantly going on about WWE or random drop-in title defenses from other companies. Shows should stay focused on themselves.
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lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 1, 2022 10:27:41 GMT -5
You can and you should. Far as I'm concerned every wrestling company should be in its own separate universe. Though even then there is a world of difference between acknowledging WWE and constantly harping on it for cheap heat like MJF does. I mean, they’re different sports leagues. Be like if the NBA didn’t acknowledge the NFL. If they’re happening at the same time and relate to the coverage, why wouldn’t you address it? I know you’ve been adamant about that point for years but it’s just not realistic and takes away storytelling aspects. I’m not even saying he shouldn’t tone it down but I’m sorry, TNA’s past sins (and yes, I blame a lot of people’s perceptions on TNA’s sins) and the bickering during the Monday Night Wars. shouldn’t cloud stuff for the future. I dont have a problem with MJF talking about WWE. The big problem i have with this promo compared to the pipe bomb is the negotiations aren't going to begin until 14 months from now and to mention it now semi plants the seeds of MJF keeping the belt till near the end because we know TK loves long term story telling
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 1, 2022 10:29:48 GMT -5
I mean, they’re different sports leagues. Be like if the NBA didn’t acknowledge the NFL. If they’re happening at the same time and relate to the coverage, why wouldn’t you address it? I know you’ve been adamant about that point for years but it’s just not realistic and takes away storytelling aspects. I’m not even saying he shouldn’t tone it down but I’m sorry, TNA’s past sins (and yes, I blame a lot of people’s perceptions on TNA’s sins) and the bickering during the Monday Night Wars. shouldn’t cloud stuff for the future. I dont have a problem with MJF talking about WWE. The big problem i have with this promo compared to the pipe bomb is the negotiations aren't going to begin until 14 months from now and to mention it now semi plants the seeds of MJF keeping the belt till near the end because we know TK loves long term story telling I'd argue Tony Khan doesn't love longterm storytelling so much as he loves taking forever to tell a story. You could condense every single plot point in the Hangman / Elite feud down to like a third of the time it took to play out and nothing would actually change. He doesn't know how to make a story last a long time without just bloating it with tons of filler. Granted in general I'm pretty firmly of the opinion that TK is a painfully limited writer whose early weaknesses were largely being disguised by a killer roster.
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Post by eJm on Dec 1, 2022 10:31:13 GMT -5
I mean, they’re different sports leagues. Be like if the NBA didn’t acknowledge the NFL. If they’re happening at the same time and relate to the coverage, why wouldn’t you address it? I know you’ve been adamant about that point for years but it’s just not realistic and takes away storytelling aspects. I’m not even saying he shouldn’t tone it down but I’m sorry, TNA’s past sins (and yes, I blame a lot of people’s perceptions on TNA’s sins) and the bickering during the Monday Night Wars. shouldn’t cloud stuff for the future. I dont have a problem with MJF talking about WWE. The big problem i have with this promo compared to the pipe bomb is the negotiations aren't going to begin until 14 months from now and to mention it now semi plants the seeds of MJF keeping the belt till near the end because we know TK loves long term story telling And I get that. I don’t know the solution to that booking wise but I can understand it from that perspective.
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 1, 2022 10:47:25 GMT -5
I dont have a problem with MJF talking about WWE. The big problem i have with this promo compared to the pipe bomb is the negotiations aren't going to begin until 14 months from now and to mention it now semi plants the seeds of MJF keeping the belt till near the end because we know TK loves long term story telling And I get that. I don’t know the solution to that booking wise but I can understand it from that perspective. Honestly if MJF is going to have a long reign, this would be the last I'd hear of the bidding war until its near the last AEW PPV of next year. Then it would make sense to start rubbing it in.
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Post by eJm on Dec 1, 2022 10:49:28 GMT -5
And I get that. I don’t know the solution to that booking wise but I can understand it from that perspective. Honestly if MJF is going to have a long reign, this would be the last I'd hear of the bidding war until its near the last AEW PPV of next year. Then it would make sense to start rubbing it in. Agreed. And considering he teased it, Eddie Kingston feels like the right person to be one to win it.
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lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 1, 2022 10:51:23 GMT -5
Honestly if MJF is going to have a long reign, this would be the last I'd hear of the bidding war until its near the last AEW PPV of next year. Then it would make sense to start rubbing it in. Agreed. And considering he teased it, Eddie Kingston feels like the right person to be one to win it. If they were to bring back the labors to face MJF, Eddie would be the ultimate underdog to do it. I'd love for it to be at Arthur Ashe stadium but its too far and too long away so who knows what happens.
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