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Post by eJm on Dec 1, 2022 10:53:10 GMT -5
Agreed. And considering he teased it, Eddie Kingston feels like the right person to be one to win it. If they were to bring back the labors to face MJF, Eddie would be the ultimate underdog to do it. I'd love for it to be at Arthur Ashe stadium but its too far and too long away so who knows what happens. It is a problem for sure and, well, glad it ain't me that has to figure it out.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Dec 1, 2022 12:40:09 GMT -5
I saw someone I think on here say a few weeks back that when MJF won the title he should create his own custom belt and I think it's a great idea and I'm glad they went with it.
As for the WWE stuff, with the way AEW has been leaking like a sieve to the dirtsheets this year the best thing that could happen is someone to let it out the bag that he's already signed an extension. If it got enough traction it would pretty much force them to stop this bidding war story and we wouldn't have to hear about it for the next year.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 1, 2022 12:46:18 GMT -5
I'd prefer it if MJF pivoted away from "I'm going to WWE" in all of his promos and just straight up replaced it all with "I'm going Hollywood" instead. It'd be far more tolerable. I know the Rock did it already, but I'm sure MJF can make it his own and it works into his apathy towards wrestling crowds far better. I kinda wish he'd just go full batshit wacky and say something like "... or I'll take my talents to Pornhub/OnlyFans/Arbys"
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 1, 2022 12:55:47 GMT -5
I'd prefer it if MJF pivoted away from "I'm going to WWE" in all of his promos and just straight up replaced it all with "I'm going Hollywood" instead. It'd be far more tolerable. I know the Rock did it already, but I'm sure MJF can make it his own and it works into his apathy towards wrestling crowds far better. I kinda wish he'd just go full batshit wacky and say something like "... or I'll take my talents to Pornhub/OnlyFans/Arbys" Only if he then comes out with a custom Arby's belt.
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Post by Abdullah on Dec 1, 2022 12:57:37 GMT -5
It’s MJF, so it wasn’t a badly delivered promo (I don’t think he’s capable of delivering one of those). But it wasn’t that good either. He just went way too hard on the cheap heat and references. And it went on way too long and honestly kind of lost the crowd. It was too generic a heel promo I think and people weren’t that into it. As for Regal, the whole thing just felt rushed and like they tried to do too many swerves in a short amount of time. I’d argue he never really had the crowd? I mean, the crowd wasn’t the hottest throughout the night but they just sounded deflated by having to sit through the same old MJF promo – especially after the tweener turn gave him new life. They were hotter directly after. It was the quietest a crowd has been for MJF in a long, long time. I think it should hopefully be better once he begins feuding with Bryan, but it’s a mistake to make him a heel again. It goes against what the fans wanted. It’s kind of a WWE move.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 1, 2022 13:21:30 GMT -5
It works because MJF is a tacky asshole who pretends to be classy in an effort the shroud the fact that he's a violent sociopath underneath the surface. Yeah I used to live literally right next to the Burberry factory, and there was a phase where every tacky teenager in my town was wearing their stuff. I don't know how it's somehow a status symbol now, because it doesn'took any smarter than it did.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 1, 2022 13:29:36 GMT -5
I dont have a problem with MJF talking about WWE. The big problem i have with this promo compared to the pipe bomb is the negotiations aren't going to begin until 14 months from now and to mention it now semi plants the seeds of MJF keeping the belt till near the end because we know TK loves long term story telling I'd argue Tony Khan doesn't love longterm storytelling so much as he loves taking forever to tell a story. You could condense every single plot point in the Hangman / Elite feud down to like a third of the time it took to play out and nothing would actually change. He doesn't know how to make a story last a long time without just bloating it with tons of filler. Granted in general I'm pretty firmly of the opinion that TK is a painfully limited writer whose early weaknesses were largely being disguised by a killer roster. Yeah, most of the long term storytelling has a great opening followed by a middle section holding pattern that goes on forever... or something goes wrong with his ideal ending point and he doesn't know/want to pivot so everyone involved just kinda do nothing until the stars align again. then the ending is generally positive... but the middle section gets really boring and tedious when it's stretched.
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Post by Hypnosis on Dec 1, 2022 13:33:26 GMT -5
I'd argue Tony Khan doesn't love longterm storytelling so much as he loves taking forever to tell a story. You could condense every single plot point in the Hangman / Elite feud down to like a third of the time it took to play out and nothing would actually change. He doesn't know how to make a story last a long time without just bloating it with tons of filler. Granted in general I'm pretty firmly of the opinion that TK is a painfully limited writer whose early weaknesses were largely being disguised by a killer roster. Yeah, most of the long term storytelling has a great opening followed by a middle section holding pattern that goes on forever... or something goes wrong with his ideal ending point and he doesn't know/want to pivot so everyone involved just kinda do nothing until the stars align again. then the ending is generally positive... but the middle section gets really boring and tedious when it's stretched. I really think some AEW feuds need to end on TV, since there's usually a long stretch of time before the next PPV anyway.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 1, 2022 13:45:35 GMT -5
It’s MJF, so it wasn’t a badly delivered promo (I don’t think he’s capable of delivering one of those). But it wasn’t that good either. He just went way too hard on the cheap heat and references. And it went on way too long and honestly kind of lost the crowd. It was too generic a heel promo I think and people weren’t that into it. As for Regal, the whole thing just felt rushed and like they tried to do too many swerves in a short amount of time. I’d argue he never really had the crowd? I mean, the crowd wasn’t the hottest throughout the night but they just sounded deflated by having to sit through the same old MJF promo – especially after the tweener turn gave him new life. They were hotter directly after. It was the quietest a crowd has been for MJF in a long, long time. I think it should hopefully be better once he begins feuding with Bryan, but it’s a mistake to make him a heel again. It goes against what the fans wanted. It’s kind of a WWE move. God I hope Bryan never again gets another title match. Between the AEW and WWE ones dude's lost like six title shots in the past year and we all know he's never going to win one, just stop putting him in the position to keep looking like an utter f***ing chump by choking every two weeks. Really it's partially residual from how crap his last couple years in WWE were but it does still really bum me out how thoroughly AEW has made me not remotely want to watch someone who's one of my favorite wrestlers ever on paper due to just how atrociously Bryan is booked.
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Post by Abdullah on Dec 1, 2022 13:57:54 GMT -5
I’d argue he never really had the crowd? I mean, the crowd wasn’t the hottest throughout the night but they just sounded deflated by having to sit through the same old MJF promo – especially after the tweener turn gave him new life. They were hotter directly after. It was the quietest a crowd has been for MJF in a long, long time. I think it should hopefully be better once he begins feuding with Bryan, but it’s a mistake to make him a heel again. It goes against what the fans wanted. It’s kind of a WWE move. God I hope Bryan never again gets another title match. Between the AEW and WWE ones dude’s lost like six title shots in the past year and we all know he’s never going to win one, just stop putting him in the position to keep looking like an utter f***ing chump by choking every two weeks. Really it’s partially residual from how crap his last couple years in WWE were but it does still really bum me out how thoroughly AEW has made me not remotely want to watch someone who’s one of my favorite wrestlers ever on paper due to just how atrociously Bryan is booked. I totally agree. I loved Bryan in WWE because of his character work, stories, AND the matches he puts on. In AEW, he only does one of those. And, also, he keeps losing. It’s a bummer.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 1, 2022 14:50:55 GMT -5
It works because MJF is a tacky asshole who pretends to be classy in an effort the shroud the fact that he's a violent sociopath underneath the surface. Yeah I used to live literally right next to the Burberry factory, and there was a phase where every tacky teenager in my town was wearing their stuff. I don't know how it's somehow a status symbol now, because it doesn'took any smarter than it did. Burberry is the perfect brand for a Long Island bourgeoisie f*** like MJF.
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 1, 2022 14:52:26 GMT -5
I'd argue Tony Khan doesn't love longterm storytelling so much as he loves taking forever to tell a story. You could condense every single plot point in the Hangman / Elite feud down to like a third of the time it took to play out and nothing would actually change. He doesn't know how to make a story last a long time without just bloating it with tons of filler. Granted in general I'm pretty firmly of the opinion that TK is a painfully limited writer whose early weaknesses were largely being disguised by a killer roster. Yeah, most of the long term storytelling has a great opening followed by a middle section holding pattern that goes on forever... or something goes wrong with his ideal ending point and he doesn't know/want to pivot so everyone involved just kinda do nothing until the stars align again. then the ending is generally positive... but the middle section gets really boring and tedious when it's stretched. Its why I'm dreading this title reign in terms of promo if this is an indication of where its going.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2022 14:55:19 GMT -5
I will never fully understand the concept of telling your audience through various promos that the majority of your workers and your company as a whole is crap and then lifting up the competition out of shock at the same time either.
Such a weird way to build a brand by constantly putting it down yourself too.
I get the concept of trying to garner a love it or leave it reaction or to try to build solidarity by us against them but it just comes off as making everything look admittedly inferior as stated.
The title chases have been so much better than the reigns so far in AEW and I am hoping this is the one to break that mold but not with promos like this.
As for the belt I like the strap work by Red Leather but it basically looks like the same belt from afar which doesn't do much from making it stand out as something "different"
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 1, 2022 15:18:15 GMT -5
Yeah, most of the long term storytelling has a great opening followed by a middle section holding pattern that goes on forever... or something goes wrong with his ideal ending point and he doesn't know/want to pivot so everyone involved just kinda do nothing until the stars align again. then the ending is generally positive... but the middle section gets really boring and tedious when it's stretched. Its why I'm dreading this title reign in terms of promo if this is an indication of where its going. The other part that AEW (and it's not just AEW but that's who we are talking about right now), is the followup. which can be more important than how well recieved an ending can be... cause if it's a great ending but doesn't go anywhere the rest of the feud was worthless. see all the people that have ever "looked good in defeat" in the WWE where they just went on to do nothing... or to stick with AEW Wardlow's title reign... they got into the Wardlow is going to turn on MJF wait no he's not loop for like a year... before finally pulling the trigger and ending it amazingly... and then Wardlow wins the TNT title and then... he kinda just doesn't do anything for a while? then loses the title.
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Post by defectiveepitaph on Dec 1, 2022 15:21:53 GMT -5
Yeah, most of the long term storytelling has a great opening followed by a middle section holding pattern that goes on forever... or something goes wrong with his ideal ending point and he doesn't know/want to pivot so everyone involved just kinda do nothing until the stars align again. then the ending is generally positive... but the middle section gets really boring and tedious when it's stretched. Its why I'm dreading this title reign in terms of promo if this is an indication of where its going. I literally just skip MJF promos and matches now. If he holds the title for a year plus I may just stop watching.
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 1, 2022 15:31:38 GMT -5
Its why I'm dreading this title reign in terms of promo if this is an indication of where its going. I literally just skip MJF promos and matches now. If he holds the title for a year plus I may just stop watching. If Tk is gonna squeeze the juice out of the bidding war thing he might hold it for a bit. Ill be honest I'd hate for that to be the case because AEWs main event scene is one of their stronger points and you strip that facet I dont have many reasons to watch too
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Post by defectiveepitaph on Dec 1, 2022 15:35:00 GMT -5
I literally just skip MJF promos and matches now. If he holds the title for a year plus I may just stop watching. If Tk is gonna squeeze the juice out of the bidding war thing he might hold it for a bit. Ill be honest I'd hate for that to be the case because AEWs main event scene is one of their stronger points and you strip that facet I dont have many reasons to watch too I actually enjoy the low and mid cards just as much as the main event, I’ve just never enjoyed MJF, tho I found his reluctant tweener stuff incredibly interesting, and it seemed like he was becoming more multifaceted, but then it just became the usual schtick again. I know a lot of folks here lap it up, but it’s not for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2022 15:39:56 GMT -5
Like I guess my question is what is the end goal when you spend 3 years telling your audience that the competition is possibly the better option?
Once he shocks no one and stays in AEW what did they actually accomplish? Does that make AEW look "more than" WWE because he chose them after spending so long questioning it?
I get that there is a romanticizing of the end goals but I feel like these type of situations end up doing more damage during the course of them then what they accomplish
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Post by XIII on Dec 1, 2022 15:47:21 GMT -5
I already think that MJF is lame AF, so him constantly droning on about a bidding war and HHH for who knows how long isn’t inspiring me to watch his stuff. It’s lazy at best.
Summer of Punk WWE edition worked because it was legit at the end of his contract and the WWE was the ultimate heel at that point. AEW has none of those things going for it.
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Post by ISO Mid Thigh Pull on Dec 1, 2022 15:52:52 GMT -5
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