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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 19, 2023 21:10:32 GMT -5
You'd have 3. You're forgetting Brian Kendrick is getting WWE agent work again Usually, WWE just hires them publicly and doesn't give a shit. This counts as restraint by their standards. I mean, if you're gonna do it, might as well own it.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on May 19, 2023 21:22:21 GMT -5
At this point Tony has to know how bad all of this is making him look. Dude is extremely online. I feel bad for him but at the same time I really don't , all he has to do is tell Punk either you're in or out. If he's in, play it by ear and continue with your unnecessary risk. If he's out, sue the pants off him. I knew dude was stubborn with some of the booking choices being on hold for months/year but for f***s sakes bro. You're better than this.
But isnt that the reason why they postponed the location announcement for next week?(Meltzer also implied today that Punk might be on his way out)
I feel he wanted Punk back to improve the ratings and live attendance(he probably didnt like that WWE ratings and attendance have gone up YoY), if the business side were good without Punk then he wouldve probably gotten rid of him already imo
At this point, I believe Punk could lose them money and Tony would still be on his same shit. He is starstruck and Punk knows it 100%.
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Post by chrom on May 19, 2023 21:31:09 GMT -5
But isnt that the reason why they postponed the location announcement for next week?(Meltzer also implied today that Punk might be on his way out)
I feel he wanted Punk back to improve the ratings and live attendance(he probably didnt like that WWE ratings and attendance have gone up YoY), if the business side were good without Punk then he wouldve probably gotten rid of him already imo
At this point, I believe Punk could lose them money and Tony would still be on his same shit. He is starstruck and Punk knows it 100%. As bad as Bischoff with Hogan
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Post by Mozenrath on May 19, 2023 21:47:47 GMT -5
I wonder how much of this is Tony feeling he MUST have Punk, and how much of it is "Punk has a hell of a downside guarantee or some other contract stipulation that means it's worth riding the contract out", but even millions of dollars doesn't seem worth this unless the network themselves are asking TK to try to make this work.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on May 19, 2023 22:26:32 GMT -5
If I had a dime for every time a wrestling promoter rehired a problematic figure in secret because they knew it’d be a bad look, I’d have two dimes. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s still weird that it happened twice. Tony D'Angelo used to have Two Dimes. I wish I had Two Dimes.
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Post by Celgress on May 19, 2023 22:31:45 GMT -5
My reaction to the entire CM Punk debacle from the scrum onward -
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on May 19, 2023 22:37:41 GMT -5
I don’t know where this whole sage ranks in wrestling history. But it really has to be the most exhausting. Like I’m so done with this shit.
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Post by markymark on May 19, 2023 22:48:46 GMT -5
But isnt that the reason why they postponed the location announcement for next week?(Meltzer also implied today that Punk might be on his way out)
I feel he wanted Punk back to improve the ratings and live attendance(he probably didnt like that WWE ratings and attendance have gone up YoY), if the business side were good without Punk then he wouldve probably gotten rid of him already imo
At this point, I believe Punk could lose them money and Tony would still be on his same shit. He is starstruck and Punk knows it 100%.
Because MJF title reign has been a total bust, if MJF was drawing like before he took his hiatus then Max wouldve been Tks favorite while Punks wouldve been sacked, remember that MJF was going to beat him for the title before he imploded at the Media Scrum
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Post by Celgress on May 19, 2023 22:52:21 GMT -5
I don’t know where this whole sage ranks in wrestling history. But it really has to be the most exhausting. Like I’m so done with this shit. Same here, oh, and guess who is taking Punk's side and vigorously defending him against Alvarez? None other than Cornball, because of course, he is. We are living in the worst timeline.
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Post by markymark on May 19, 2023 22:54:11 GMT -5
I don’t know where this whole sage ranks in wrestling history. But it really has to be the most exhausting. Like I’m so done with this shit. Here is some Bobby Fish that can cheer you up, I will never forget when his hometown chanted for Punk
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on May 19, 2023 23:00:38 GMT -5
At this point, I believe Punk could lose them money and Tony would still be on his same shit. He is starstruck and Punk knows it 100%. Because MJF title reign has been a total bust, if MJF was drawing like before he took his hiatus then Max wouldve been Tks favorite while Punks wouldve been sacked, remember that MJF was going to beat him for the title before he imploded at the Media Scrum
It's an interesting What If to think about. What if MJF hadn't been so damn adamant about staying heel with his "same ol' same ol'" schtick, and had leaned into the tweener/face-ish role as the crowd was rallying behind him in an organic way, and he had a TON of momentum with the fanbase around the time he let loose and called TK a 'f***ing mark'. Dude was on fire. The crowd wanted him to be THE guy. It had such potential to launch MJF to the next level. Instead he played it safe, and his character work/title run is lukewarm. Granted Punk injuring himself (acting like a spoiled brat) messed a LOT of stuff up as far as storyline goes, but still...
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 20, 2023 0:18:41 GMT -5
I can't even begin to fathom how anyone could have the slightest bit of respect for Tony Khan at this point when his response to Punk having repeated public tantrums for the past nine months and assaulting some of the people who helped found the company is, "Yes, thank you sir, is there anything else you would like?" I don’t understand your mindset at all. Was Punk extremely unprofessional with what he did at the scrum? Absolutely. Without a question. Can you understand Omega and the Bucks being upset about the scrum? Without a question. Even if Punk’s grievances were legitimate, they still have more than enough reason to be upset. That’s the end of where I follow your logic. If the widespread reports that the Elite kicked in the door is correct, then Punk responding with violence is justifiable. After all, if someone kicks in your door you’d have reason to expect they are coming for violence, prompting a need to defend yourself. As far as Steele goes, didn’t he walk into a situation where he found his friend in a 3 on 1 fight in close proximity to his wife? Entering the fight is both defending his friend as well as his wife. Granted, my chosen action would have been to extradite my wife away from the violence, but it wasn’t me in that situation. Does it all start with Punk? Sure, but it sure sounds like the Elite, whether it was their goal or not, instigated the violence.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on May 20, 2023 0:30:05 GMT -5
If Collision will be at Dailys I hope we get shots like this again
The cover to AEW’s album of Vaporwave remix themes. It’s time Tony Khan makes the call.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 20, 2023 0:36:46 GMT -5
I can't even begin to fathom how anyone could have the slightest bit of respect for Tony Khan at this point when his response to Punk having repeated public tantrums for the past nine months and assaulting some of the people who helped found the company is, "Yes, thank you sir, is there anything else you would like?" I don’t understand your mindset at all. Was Punk extremely unprofessional with what he did at the scrum? Absolutely. Without a question. Can you understand Omega and the Bucks being upset about the scrum? Without a question. Even if Punk’s grievances were legitimate, they still have more than enough reason to be upset. That’s the end of where I follow your logic. If the widespread reports that the Elite kicked in the door is correct, then Punk responding with violence is justifiable. After all, if someone kicks in your door you’d have reason to expect they are coming for violence, prompting a need to defend yourself. As far as Steele goes, didn’t he walk into a situation where he found his friend in a 3 on 1 fight in close proximity to his wife? Entering the fight is both defending his friend as well as his wife. Granted, my chosen action would have been to extradite my wife away from the violence, but it wasn’t me in that situation. Does it all start with Punk? Sure, but it sure sounds like the Elite, whether it was their goal or not, instigated the violence. ..... They couldn't have kicked in the doors unless they were on some sort of Super solider serum, the doors at that stadium don't open inward, they open out. The Bucks came in with legal and HR, that doesn't scream wrapping their fist like they were the frigging Undertaker. The only reports the Bucks came in wanting to fight like honey badgers have been from people with ties to Punk's side. This is why I hate all this crap, so much misinformation out there, on all sides mind you, that people latch onto one story despite it being vetted as BS by secondary sources.
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Post by Chiral on May 20, 2023 0:36:48 GMT -5
I'm amazed we're still getting "actually the Bucks kicked the door in" posts 8,932 pages into this thing
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 20, 2023 0:38:29 GMT -5
All this chat about “No Punk, no Chicago”… Doesn’t really speak highly of any belief in the rest of their roster, which includes big stars like The Elite, Moxley, Danielson, MJF, Jericho and Cole among others, to draw a house? My main issue with running Chicago without Punk is they also booked a Dynamite in Chicago the next week. It's one thing to draw in Chicago which I think they've proven they can. But asking them to buy another ticket without a big hook outside the debut of Collision which is an unproven product is tough no matter the roster. I suppose it depends on what tickets cost. It’s not like there’s never been promotions that ran extremely frequent shows in big cities before. Having said that, this is still a mess. They’ve got too little time to change gears if they can’t get Punk for Chicago. If it’s Punk or bust at this point, that’s just horrible. Honestly, in the end the right thing to do was buy out Punk’s contract and cut bait, but I suspect the networks want Punk. I get it. You may like the Elite, but they’re not going to bring in any extra viewers that weren’t already watching. Then again, I’m not certain if Punk still has that general public appeal anymore either.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 20, 2023 0:38:35 GMT -5
I'm amazed we're still getting "actually the Bucks kicked the door in" posts 8,932 pages into this thing Like, I'd almost admire them to have the super strength to super kick those doors in like they were the Kool-aid Man if that was the case.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 20, 2023 0:50:15 GMT -5
I don’t understand your mindset at all. Was Punk extremely unprofessional with what he did at the scrum? Absolutely. Without a question. Can you understand Omega and the Bucks being upset about the scrum? Without a question. Even if Punk’s grievances were legitimate, they still have more than enough reason to be upset. That’s the end of where I follow your logic. If the widespread reports that the Elite kicked in the door is correct, then Punk responding with violence is justifiable. After all, if someone kicks in your door you’d have reason to expect they are coming for violence, prompting a need to defend yourself. As far as Steele goes, didn’t he walk into a situation where he found his friend in a 3 on 1 fight in close proximity to his wife? Entering the fight is both defending his friend as well as his wife. Granted, my chosen action would have been to extradite my wife away from the violence, but it wasn’t me in that situation. Does it all start with Punk? Sure, but it sure sounds like the Elite, whether it was their goal or not, instigated the violence. ..... They couldn't have kicked in the doors unless they were on some sort of Super solider serum, the doors at that stadium don't open inward, they open out. The Bucks came in with legal and HR, that doesn't scream wrapping their fist like they were the frigging Undertaker. The only reports the Bucks came in wanting to fight like honey badgers have been from people with ties to Punk's side. This is why I hate all this crap, so much misinformation out there, on all sides mind you, that people latch onto one story despite it being vetted as BS by secondary sources. If that’s correct about the doors, then that is interesting. You might notice I didn’t assert that they kicked in the door as a fact. I said if it were true. It’s just that every story that I read at the time ran with that. Here’s the one thing that makes zero sense to me then. If the Elite did not come in hot and prompt the fight, then why did they get punished at all? Punk went fully off of the reservation in that scrum and that would have been sufficient enough for me to seriously consider cutting ties with him. If he also instigated the fight afterwards it would be open and shut who’s to blame and only he would have gotten punished. That’s not what happened.
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Post by lionheart21 on May 20, 2023 0:56:00 GMT -5
I'm amazed we're still getting "actually the Bucks kicked the door in" posts 8,932 pages into this thing Like, I'd almost admire them to have the super strength to super kick those doors in like they were the Kool-aid Man if that was the case. Thats the kinda shit where not even Brock Lesnar would wanna mess with them.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 20, 2023 1:06:55 GMT -5
..... They couldn't have kicked in the doors unless they were on some sort of Super solider serum, the doors at that stadium don't open inward, they open out. The Bucks came in with legal and HR, that doesn't scream wrapping their fist like they were the frigging Undertaker. The only reports the Bucks came in wanting to fight like honey badgers have been from people with ties to Punk's side. This is why I hate all this crap, so much misinformation out there, on all sides mind you, that people latch onto one story despite it being vetted as BS by secondary sources. If that’s correct about the doors, then that is interesting. You might notice I didn’t assert that they kicked in the door as a fact. I said if it were true. It’s just that every story that I read at the time ran with that. Here’s the one thing that makes zero sense to me then. If the Elite did not come in hot and prompt the fight, then why did they get punished at all? Punk went fully off of the reservation in that scrum and that would have been sufficient enough for me to seriously consider cutting ties with him. If he also instigated the fight afterwards it would be open and shut who’s to blame and only he would have gotten punished. That’s not what happened. I'm pretty sure Punk being aggressive, Ace Steel biting Omega, and Nick Jackson almost getting his eye taken out by a chair caused them to begin to fight back and in doing so, everyone involved was suspended for their part of it as an investigation took place, even Cutler and Nak were suspended for a short period of time until they could give statements It is open and shut who is to blame for this. The guy who talked shit about them on a live feed, invited them to his locker room, and then got aggressive when they went there with the HEAD OF LEGAL to talk about Punk's statements, and it escalated to an insane degree The Bucks did not go in there looking to throw hands or Megha wouldn't have been with them, they did not kick a door in. Punk threw a fit, thought nothing would happen, and then something happened, and he did not know how to respond, and then his dumbass running buddy who is a 50 year old adult male, resorted to actual assault.
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