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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on May 20, 2023 1:15:21 GMT -5
Because MJF title reign has been a total bust, if MJF was drawing like before he took his hiatus then Max wouldve been Tks favorite while Punks wouldve been sacked, remember that MJF was going to beat him for the title before he imploded at the Media Scrum
It's an interesting What If to think about. What if MJF hadn't been so damn adamant about staying heel with his "same ol' same ol'" schtick, and had leaned into the tweener/face-ish role as the crowd was rallying behind him in an organic way, and he had a TON of momentum with the fanbase around the time he let loose and called TK a 'f***ing mark'. Dude was on fire. The crowd wanted him to be THE guy. It had such potential to launch MJF to the next level. Instead he played it safe, and his character work/title run is lukewarm. Granted Punk injuring himself (acting like a spoiled brat) messed a LOT of stuff up as far as storyline goes, but still... Not to mention what I think was the true reason the scrum even happened, which is the crowd going insane for MJF and chanting his name after Punk won the title in Chicago. Dude already seemed pissed and went right into that scrum, rest is nauseating history. You could tell he was not happy.
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Post by lockedontarget on May 20, 2023 1:15:36 GMT -5
..... They couldn't have kicked in the doors unless they were on some sort of Super solider serum, the doors at that stadium don't open inward, they open out. The Bucks came in with legal and HR, that doesn't scream wrapping their fist like they were the frigging Undertaker. The only reports the Bucks came in wanting to fight like honey badgers have been from people with ties to Punk's side. This is why I hate all this crap, so much misinformation out there, on all sides mind you, that people latch onto one story despite it being vetted as BS by secondary sources. If that’s correct about the doors, then that is interesting. You might notice I didn’t assert that they kicked in the door as a fact. I said if it were true. It’s just that every story that I read at the time ran with that. Here’s the one thing that makes zero sense to me then. If the Elite did not come in hot and prompt the fight, then why did they get punished at all? Punk went fully off of the reservation in that scrum and that would have been sufficient enough for me to seriously consider cutting ties with him. If he also instigated the fight afterwards it would be open and shut who’s to blame and only he would have gotten punished. That’s not what happened. Everyone got suspended so an investigation could happen. Pretty standard thing for a company to do. Once the investigation was over the Elite were back in the spotlight winning titles, and Ace Steel was fired.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on May 20, 2023 1:17:17 GMT -5
You think one of these dudes kicked that door down and Tony wouldn't have just immediately moved them over to the Jaguars?
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on May 20, 2023 1:35:25 GMT -5
It's an interesting What If to think about. What if MJF hadn't been so damn adamant about staying heel with his "same ol' same ol'" schtick, and had leaned into the tweener/face-ish role as the crowd was rallying behind him in an organic way, and he had a TON of momentum with the fanbase around the time he let loose and called TK a 'f***ing mark'. Dude was on fire. The crowd wanted him to be THE guy. It had such potential to launch MJF to the next level. Instead he played it safe, and his character work/title run is lukewarm. Granted Punk injuring himself (acting like a spoiled brat) messed a LOT of stuff up as far as storyline goes, but still... Not to mention what I think was the true reason the scrum even happened, which is the crowd going insane for MJF and chanting his name after Punk won the title in Chicago. Dude already seemed pissed and went right into that scrum, rest is nauseating history. You could tell he was not happy. Exactly, MJF was THAT f***ing over. Too bad they didn't roll with it, and fell back on the already tired edgelord stuff. By time he threw water on that little kid I was beyond done with him. He could be so much better than he's allowing himself to be.
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Post by yokohamacpfc on May 20, 2023 3:10:05 GMT -5
No chance this is a work with only Punk and Khan in the know and the purpose is to make Punk so insufferable he gets booed out of the building in Chicago? They must be bringing him in as a heel as most of the AEW fanbase are upset with his antics so this is the cherry on the top to stop him from getting cheered by homers on the first show.
Very unlikely but it is wrestling.
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 20, 2023 3:14:34 GMT -5
We should do a pool as to what's gonna to set off the next melt down. The winner gets, I dunno, a copy of Fight Forever? No, the game won't be out by the time of his next melt down What do you know, I was right
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Post by Kalmia on May 20, 2023 4:47:32 GMT -5
Let's be Sean O'Haire and play devil's advocate for a second. Let's say that everything that happened at All Out was 50/50 the Elite and Punk's fault. I don't believe that is the case, but let's pretend it is.
The Elite were suspended for several months and had their titles stripped. They came back and apologised to the locker room. They f***ed around in one match (which was in Chicago and was going to be a mess regardless) and since then have kept their heads down and carried on as normal.
Punk got injured in his last match so he was going to be off TV for months regardless. If Thunder Rosa and her lengthy injury is any indication, he would have been stripped of the title anyway. He's had two public meltdowns on Instagram and was pulled from Collision marketing at the 11th hour allegedly over Ace Steel.
Punk has had zero consequences for his part in all of this and is still pissing around. That's what annoys me. I don't blame Khan for trying to bring him back but there comes a point where you just have to say that the little ratings bump he might bring isn't worth it. Especially when Punk fans are exactly that - Punk fans. They'll just leave again when Punk does. They're not going to get converted into long term AEW fans or they already would have been.
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Post by rajaah on May 20, 2023 7:06:14 GMT -5
But, she’s not saying anything wrong though? Ever sense he’s been gone, people have, infact, been talking about him, good and bad. And he’s definitely a great talent for sure. She’s not saying anything all of us don’t already know. The bashing on her is is really unwarranted I agree with this. I think Rosa is just playing good company woman at a time where she's also trying to rehab her image after her own problematic period with the locker room. I'm not going to really fault her for that.
The sad thing is, I don't even think she DID anything to garner all that heat she got. Not sure how she rehabs her image when, far as I know, she never really did anything wrong. Watching All-Access, it seemed like it was mostly Britt firing up all the other women against Rosa because she was questioning her injury like she faked it. Then when it turned out to be real, Britt was firing everyone up by saying Rosa needed to relinquish the belt so Toni (and probably more importantly to her, Jamie) wouldn't be "interim" champion. Then when Rosa did relinquish the belt, Britt went around complaining to everyone that she DIDN'T DO IT IN PERSON. It all reeked of "I despise this person so I'll find something wrong with everything they do and keep moving goalposts" Schiavone put it best when he was like "Britt you need to get over her"
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 20, 2023 7:37:54 GMT -5
Let's be Sean O'Haire and play devil's advocate for a second. Let's say that everything that happened at All Out was 50/50 the Elite and Punk's fault. I don't believe that is the case, but let's pretend it is. The Elite were suspended for several months and had their titles stripped. They came back and apologised to the locker room. They f***ed around in one match (which was in Chicago and was going to be a mess regardless) and since then have kept their heads down and carried on as normal. Punk got injured in his last match so he was going to be off TV for months regardless. If Thunder Rosa and her lengthy injury is any indication, he would have been stripped of the title anyway. He's had two public meltdowns on Instagram and was pulled from Collision marketing at the 11th hour allegedly over Ace Steel. Punk has had zero consequences for his part in all of this and is still pissing around. That's what annoys me. I don't blame Khan for trying to bring him back but there comes a point where you just have to say that the little ratings bump he might bring isn't worth it. Especially when Punk fans are exactly that - Punk fans. They'll just leave again when Punk does. They're not going to get converted into long term AEW fans or they already would have been. Honestly, even if Punk wasn’t at all to blame for the fight I think I would have fired him for the scrum. Granted, with Tony RIGHT THERE during it he should have put a stop to it when it started going off the rails, but he didn’t and Punk did considerate damage to his company as a result. Yes, Punk brought in new viewers. There are few people that had the ability to do that quite like he could, all things considered. I’d have thought Danielson could have done that as well, but I’m not sure the ratings support that belief. Unless you think you can outbid McMahon for Lesnar’s services, I think you’ve maxed out your mainstream opportunities and need to build up the old fashioned way. It’s time to get that going full swing.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 20, 2023 7:41:14 GMT -5
Let's be Sean O'Haire and play devil's advocate for a second. Let's say that everything that happened at All Out was 50/50 the Elite and Punk's fault. I don't believe that is the case, but let's pretend it is. The Elite were suspended for several months and had their titles stripped. They came back and apologised to the locker room. They f***ed around in one match (which was in Chicago and was going to be a mess regardless) and since then have kept their heads down and carried on as normal. Punk got injured in his last match so he was going to be off TV for months regardless. If Thunder Rosa and her lengthy injury is any indication, he would have been stripped of the title anyway. He's had two public meltdowns on Instagram and was pulled from Collision marketing at the 11th hour allegedly over Ace Steel. Punk has had zero consequences for his part in all of this and is still pissing around. That's what annoys me. I don't blame Khan for trying to bring him back but there comes a point where you just have to say that the little ratings bump he might bring isn't worth it. Especially when Punk fans are exactly that - Punk fans. They'll just leave again when Punk does. They're not going to get converted into long term AEW fans or they already would have been. Honestly, even if Punk wasn’t at all to blame for the fight I think I would have fired him for the scrum. Granted, with Tony RIGHT THERE during it he should have put a stop to it when it started going off the rails, but he didn’t and Punk did considerate damage to his company as a result. Yes, Punk brought in new viewers. There are few people that had the ability to do that quite like he could, all things considered. I’d have thought Danielson could have done that as well, but I’m not sure the ratings support that belief. Unless you think you can outbid McMahon for Lesnar’s services, I think you’ve maxed out your mainstream opportunities and need to build up the old fashioned way. It’s time to get that going full swing. Tony did try and stop it a few times... he could have dropped the hammer and said I'm your boss move on. But I could also see him wanting to wait until after the scrum to talk to him and tell him "no more of that shit, I'm the boss. I'm in charge. Do not disrespect me like that again" But that didnt' happen because of the scrum obviously... but how he's acted since then it seems like Tony wasn't even planning on doing that.
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Post by gentlemengreg1 on May 20, 2023 7:45:08 GMT -5
I don’t understand why bringing back Punk needs to happen?
AEW’s ratings haven’t been good nor has weekly Dynamite tickets been all that hot but it’s not like the company isn’t holding its own.
There is many different ways to get back momentum….Punk doesn’t have to be involved. The guy has tried to torpedo the company.
Who wants to see Punk in AEW? How many of you are still out there?
I don’t want to see Punk on tv. There is nothing there anymore but a guy with serious paranoia mental health illness who needs to get help.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 20, 2023 7:56:52 GMT -5
..... They couldn't have kicked in the doors unless they were on some sort of Super solider serum, the doors at that stadium don't open inward, they open out. The Bucks came in with legal and HR, that doesn't scream wrapping their fist like they were the frigging Undertaker. The only reports the Bucks came in wanting to fight like honey badgers have been from people with ties to Punk's side. This is why I hate all this crap, so much misinformation out there, on all sides mind you, that people latch onto one story despite it being vetted as BS by secondary sources. If that’s correct about the doors, then that is interesting. You might notice I didn’t assert that they kicked in the door as a fact. I said if it were true. It’s just that every story that I read at the time ran with that. Here’s the one thing that makes zero sense to me then. If the Elite did not come in hot and prompt the fight, then why did they get punished at all? Punk went fully off of the reservation in that scrum and that would have been sufficient enough for me to seriously consider cutting ties with him. If he also instigated the fight afterwards it would be open and shut who’s to blame and only he would have gotten punished. That’s not what happened. There's structural legal stuff around the ways doors need to open in commercial spaces from the last couple decades that guarantee locker room doors will have to open outward for fire safety but if that's too source: trust me bro then people also went and confirmed from BTE footage taken that weekend that the doors open outward. The 'kicked in the doors' stuff was an early Punk's camp version of the story that had to get walked back a lot with "Well they didn't literally kick the doors in obviously" in the couple weeks to follow. It was a whole lot of sloppy dumb stuff. What's been said to actually have happened was them going in with the company's lawyer and multiple road agents. That wasn't a bunch of people jumping him that was them bringing in a whole lot of management to help stress the issue, but in a way that kind of makes the presence of more people less of a threat. Punk's own version of events is that he threw the first punch because they went into his locker room, citing a certain self-defense law that lets you shoot people if they enter your home. It was stupid. It was so stupid. But a whole bunch of road agents had also been put on suspension just until they could deal with the situation. Everyone was taken out of the situation so they could figure out what was going on before starting to bring people back. But we know that Punk started the fight with the account he himself gave with his own mouth to journalists. But people get punished for just being involved in fights plenty. If you're throwing a punch back, that's going to be being part of a fight and that's what they got punished for.
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Post by rajaah on May 20, 2023 8:06:18 GMT -5
Meltzer just reported on Observer Radio that they have Daily's Place ready as a backup if Punk falls through which is what I expected. So it's either United Center with Punk or Daily's Place without Punk. What a complete pain in the ass this guy is. If he falls through on being a part of Collision, they should just give him an "Oops! All Punks!" show where it's just him and Ace Steel fighting random indy talent until his contract runs out.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 20, 2023 8:29:53 GMT -5
Because MJF title reign has been a total bust, if MJF was drawing like before he took his hiatus then Max wouldve been Tks favorite while Punks wouldve been sacked, remember that MJF was going to beat him for the title before he imploded at the Media Scrum
It's an interesting What If to think about. What if MJF hadn't been so damn adamant about staying heel with his "same ol' same ol'" schtick, and had leaned into the tweener/face-ish role as the crowd was rallying behind him in an organic way, and he had a TON of momentum with the fanbase around the time he let loose and called TK a 'f***ing mark'. Dude was on fire. The crowd wanted him to be THE guy. It had such potential to launch MJF to the next level. Instead he played it safe, and his character work/title run is lukewarm. Granted Punk injuring himself (acting like a spoiled brat) messed a LOT of stuff up as far as storyline goes, but still... AEW's writing isn't exactly subtle in its directions, so we have some glance of what was meant to happen: Punk leading the former Pinnacle members, now all either face-aligned or on leave to make for a fresh return, against MJF's new goon squad, The Firm. There'd have been plans and material and stuff already sketched out, and the first Punk vs MJF feud was clearly setting up ideas for the second half to come. There was going to be a lot there that was in the works and probably just better material than the stuff that we ended up with instead. It makes me wonder if MJF just checked out on material after all this. Dude checked out, went lazy, and his best ideas were all just garbage edgelord stuff. I don't think he was going to go tweener or anything, but the Punk storyline with MJF being the biggest heel ever at least should have delivered on material that would've actually made MJF look like some kind of a star.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on May 20, 2023 9:39:42 GMT -5
I don’t understand your mindset at all. Was Punk extremely unprofessional with what he did at the scrum? Absolutely. Without a question. Can you understand Omega and the Bucks being upset about the scrum? Without a question. Even if Punk’s grievances were legitimate, they still have more than enough reason to be upset. That’s the end of where I follow your logic. If the widespread reports that the Elite kicked in the door is correct, then Punk responding with violence is justifiable. After all, if someone kicks in your door you’d have reason to expect they are coming for violence, prompting a need to defend yourself. As far as Steele goes, didn’t he walk into a situation where he found his friend in a 3 on 1 fight in close proximity to his wife? Entering the fight is both defending his friend as well as his wife. Granted, my chosen action would have been to extradite my wife away from the violence, but it wasn’t me in that situation. Does it all start with Punk? Sure, but it sure sounds like the Elite, whether it was their goal or not, instigated the violence. ..... They couldn't have kicked in the doors unless they were on some sort of Super solider serum, the doors at that stadium don't open inward, they open out. The Bucks came in with legal and HR, that doesn't scream wrapping their fist like they were the frigging Undertaker. The only reports the Bucks came in wanting to fight like honey badgers have been from people with ties to Punk's side. This is why I hate all this crap, so much misinformation out there, on all sides mind you, that people latch onto one story despite it being vetted as BS by secondary sources. Given that Kenny has given us the info since that he and Punk at least briefly talked right after as a "that was really dumb" thing, I still believe that the Bucks and Punk were both just really heated and it turned into probably a shoving match, then Kenny goes "OK I'm getting the dog out of the way" and then Ace bursts in, sees all this shit going on next to his wife with the broken leg and throws a goddamn chair. Even Punk isn't stupid enough to start throwing punches for no reason with one arm and no backup like I heard in some stories.
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Post by rajaah on May 20, 2023 9:42:15 GMT -5
..... They couldn't have kicked in the doors unless they were on some sort of Super solider serum, the doors at that stadium don't open inward, they open out. The Bucks came in with legal and HR, that doesn't scream wrapping their fist like they were the frigging Undertaker. The only reports the Bucks came in wanting to fight like honey badgers have been from people with ties to Punk's side. This is why I hate all this crap, so much misinformation out there, on all sides mind you, that people latch onto one story despite it being vetted as BS by secondary sources. If that’s correct about the doors, then that is interesting. You might notice I didn’t assert that they kicked in the door as a fact. I said if it were true. It’s just that every story that I read at the time ran with that. Here’s the one thing that makes zero sense to me then. If the Elite did not come in hot and prompt the fight, then why did they get punished at all? Punk went fully off of the reservation in that scrum and that would have been sufficient enough for me to seriously consider cutting ties with him. If he also instigated the fight afterwards it would be open and shut who’s to blame and only he would have gotten punished. That’s not what happened. It's not what happened because the company did an internal investigation and suspended everyone involved until it was concluded. Once it was concluded, they BROUGHT BACK The Elite and fired Ace Steel. Punk was kept around for two reasons: One, TK always pays people while they're injured, even if their contract lapses during that time or he's releasing them afterwards. It's his personal policy. Two, TK has a total nerdboner for CM Punk, who was his #1 choice for signings when AEW began (keep in mind that the "people he'd like to sign" list wouldn't include Cody, Omega, or anyone else from the Elite because they were already dialed-in). I wouldn't be surprised if TK choosing to run Chicago every All Out was as much about hoping to court Punk as it was following the tradition set by All In. The "kicked in the door" thing has been debunked hundreds of times at this point so it's bonkers to still see it come up. Riddle me this though: If the Bucks "came to fight" and were gonna kick in the door, why in the blue hell did they go get Christopher Daniels (head of talent relations) and Megha Parekh (head of legal) and bring them along? They came to talk and weren't sure what they were walking into.
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Post by raymondo316 on May 20, 2023 10:01:26 GMT -5
My main issue with running Chicago without Punk is they also booked a Dynamite in Chicago the next week. It's one thing to draw in Chicago which I think they've proven they can. But asking them to buy another ticket without a big hook outside the debut of Collision which is an unproven product is tough no matter the roster. I suppose it depends on what tickets cost. It’s not like there’s never been promotions that ran extremely frequent shows in big cities before. Having said that, this is still a mess. They’ve got too little time to change gears if they can’t get Punk for Chicago. If it’s Punk or bust at this point, that’s just horrible. Honestly, in the end the right thing to do was buy out Punk’s contract and cut bait, but I suspect the networks want Punk. I get it. You may like the Elite, but they’re not going to bring in any extra viewers that weren’t already watching. Then again, I’m not certain if Punk still has that general public appeal anymore either.Thats the thing, other than the ratings boost for the first 6 weeks he was in the company, Punk doesn't make much of a difference ratings wise.
Which makes Tony bending over backwards for him even more bizarre.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 10:20:16 GMT -5
I read the transcript of Punk and Colt talking about “bikini girl” on that Reddit thread and I’m done with both of them.
I’m typically a staunch advocate that you can’t judge things that were said or shown in the past by the standards of today because the world is constantly progressing forward, but that stuff is absolute scumbag behavior in any era, past, present, or future.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 10:33:07 GMT -5
Because MJF title reign has been a total bust, if MJF was drawing like before he took his hiatus then Max wouldve been Tks favorite while Punks wouldve been sacked, remember that MJF was going to beat him for the title before he imploded at the Media Scrum
It's an interesting What If to think about. What if MJF hadn't been so damn adamant about staying heel with his "same ol' same ol'" schtick, and had leaned into the tweener/face-ish role as the crowd was rallying behind him in an organic way, and he had a TON of momentum with the fanbase around the time he let loose and called TK a 'f***ing mark'. Dude was on fire. The crowd wanted him to be THE guy. It had such potential to launch MJF to the next level. Instead he played it safe, and his character work/title run is lukewarm. Granted Punk injuring himself (acting like a spoiled brat) messed a LOT of stuff up as far as storyline goes, but still... MJF could have been 1998 Rock but sabotaged his career trajectory for the sake of wanting to keep kayfabe like it’s 1975.
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Post by markymark on May 20, 2023 11:47:16 GMT -5
It's an interesting What If to think about. What if MJF hadn't been so damn adamant about staying heel with his "same ol' same ol'" schtick, and had leaned into the tweener/face-ish role as the crowd was rallying behind him in an organic way, and he had a TON of momentum with the fanbase around the time he let loose and called TK a 'f***ing mark'. Dude was on fire. The crowd wanted him to be THE guy. It had such potential to launch MJF to the next level. Instead he played it safe, and his character work/title run is lukewarm. Granted Punk injuring himself (acting like a spoiled brat) messed a LOT of stuff up as far as storyline goes, but still... AEW's writing isn't exactly subtle in its directions, so we have some glance of what was meant to happen: Punk leading the former Pinnacle members, now all either face-aligned or on leave to make for a fresh return, against MJF's new goon squad, The Firm. There'd have been plans and material and stuff already sketched out, and the first Punk vs MJF feud was clearly setting up ideas for the second half to come. There was going to be a lot there that was in the works and probably just better material than the stuff that we ended up with instead. It makes me wonder if MJF just checked out on material after all this. Dude checked out, went lazy, and his best ideas were all just garbage edgelord stuff. I don't think he was going to go tweener or anything, but the Punk storyline with MJF being the biggest heel ever at least should have delivered on material that would've actually made MJF look like some kind of a star.
Pre Brawl Out Punk already showed signs of becoming like Cody in his final 6 months in AEW,, aligning with FTR and Wardlow couldve prevented him from going to that path and MJF wouldve remained heel in a natural way instead of becoming a tryhard(that was toned down imo after Saraya got fined for saying "twat")
I suppose it depends on what tickets cost. It’s not like there’s never been promotions that ran extremely frequent shows in big cities before. Having said that, this is still a mess. They’ve got too little time to change gears if they can’t get Punk for Chicago. If it’s Punk or bust at this point, that’s just horrible. Honestly, in the end the right thing to do was buy out Punk’s contract and cut bait, but I suspect the networks want Punk. I get it. You may like the Elite, but they’re not going to bring in any extra viewers that weren’t already watching. Then again, I’m not certain if Punk still has that general public appeal anymore either.Thats the thing, other than the ratings boost for the first 6 weeks he was in the company, Punk doesn't make much of a difference ratings wise.
Which makes Tony bending over backwards for him even more bizarre.
Its not just about the ratings but also the attendance, the Collision ticket sales went out today, and the Hamilton show so far has sold over 510 tickets, the Toronto isnt anything better, I hate to sound negative but Collision has a fair chance in bombing without Punk(Tony will have to stack Collision if Punk never returns).
It's an interesting What If to think about. What if MJF hadn't been so damn adamant about staying heel with his "same ol' same ol'" schtick, and had leaned into the tweener/face-ish role as the crowd was rallying behind him in an organic way, and he had a TON of momentum with the fanbase around the time he let loose and called TK a 'f***ing mark'. Dude was on fire. The crowd wanted him to be THE guy. It had such potential to launch MJF to the next level. Instead he played it safe, and his character work/title run is lukewarm. Granted Punk injuring himself (acting like a spoiled brat) messed a LOT of stuff up as far as storyline goes, but still... MJF could have been 1998 Rock but sabotaged his career trajectory for the sake of wanting to keep kayfabe like it’s 1975.
Rock still turned heel that year lol, what hurt MJF was that first promo after Full Gear bringing up the Bidding War and saying he was going to have a reign of terror, recycling the "I have to give obstacles to my opponents before facing me" also got boring for a lot of fans.
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