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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 29, 2023 9:59:27 GMT -5
All I can say at this point is the dude is exhausting.
It all just sucks: I still like most of the guy's in-ring work. That match with Kojima this past June was awesome, the Joe match on Sunday was a lot of fun, and I appreciated that he was actively leaning into his mixed reactions instead of pretending they weren't there. The guy still moves tons of merch, gets reactions, and is still really, really good at storytelling in his matches, which has always been his forte more than any moves he does (given he doesn't do a ton of those moves very smoothly to begin with).
But good god, man, learn to let shit go. Even looking at this whole situation and being as charitable to him as I can be would mean that Jack Perry did something dumb and/or petty, which, fine, be annoyed by that, but you're a grown ass man about to work in front of the biggest damn crowd ever and you're making an issue of it on the spot, right before your match with one of your long-time friends and greatest dancing partners is about to begin? Go out, do your work, then handle shit like a grown up afterward.
But we're back to the whole "something happened with Punk backstage, now come competing leaks to the wrestling press, let's all focus on this instead of a really great show this past weekend", and he's just the consistent common denominator in all of it. If it's true he was going on about quitting while in the heat of the moment, maybe he ought to stop and consider whether that's what's best for him, because at this rate he's making it what would be best for everyone else in the locker room.
So, yeah, just exhausting.
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Post by khali on Aug 29, 2023 10:08:16 GMT -5
Sure, Jack Perry probably shouldn’t have said that on the air. But he’s just following the example of CM Punk, the guy who called out Hangman Page when he knew he wouldn’t come out in an attempt to make himself look like a tough guy. Perry is just following the example of the locker room leader.
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Aug 29, 2023 10:11:56 GMT -5
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Post by XIII on Aug 29, 2023 10:14:35 GMT -5
I agree that Joe should be the locker room boss. He’s a respected veteran that doesn’t have problems with anyone, handles situations professionally, and IS about it instead of talking about being about it.
Basically all of the things that Punk isn’t.
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Post by The anti-ratings Luddite on Aug 29, 2023 10:21:14 GMT -5
In the alternate universe where CM Punk isn't a pain in the ass:
"Hey, Jack, can I talk to you a minute?"
"Yeah, sure, what's up Punk?"
"So, listen, the glass spot? C'mon man, that shit's dangerous. You ever hear the story of Goldberg just PUNCHING through glass and getting injured? I mean, you do you, but you're not even 30 yet and I want you to still be just as healthy at 50 as you are right now, so maybe have them gimmick it or something, you know?"
"Ah, I guess you got a point. thanks man."
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Aug 29, 2023 10:21:44 GMT -5
Sure, Jack Perry probably shouldn’t have said that on the air. But he’s just following the example of CM Punk, the guy who called out Hangman Page when he knew he wouldn’t come out in an attempt to make himself look like a tough guy. Perry is just following the example of the locker room leader. And what was Punk’s call out of Hangman in response to? None of this has ever been settled because they refuse to get in a room and talk it out. Petulant children, Punk, The Elite, the whole lot of them. |
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Aug 29, 2023 10:26:43 GMT -5
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Post by CeilingFan on Aug 29, 2023 10:27:56 GMT -5
CM Punk is more valuable to AEW than Jack Perry.
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Post by fw91 on Aug 29, 2023 10:30:44 GMT -5
I mean, can the travel coordinator not be put here liking shady tweets though?! Use your head, man I’d imagine a ton of people in the company are pretty fed up with Punk. Idk, Punk has implied in the past that he wants to be left alone at air ports early in the morning. Maybe they though they were doing him a solid. |
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Aug 29, 2023 10:31:53 GMT -5
Sure, Jack Perry probably shouldn’t have said that on the air. But he’s just following the example of CM Punk, the guy who called out Hangman Page when he knew he wouldn’t come out in an attempt to make himself look like a tough guy. Perry is just following the example of the locker room leader. And what was Punk’s call out of Hangman in response to? None of this has ever been settled because they refuse to get in a room and talk it out. Petulant children, Punk, The Elite, the whole lot of them. Nah, I'm sorry, that's bullshit in my opinion. That would be true if CM Punk had given any indication that he's a normal, rational, human being over the last decade or so. At this point, letting him goad them into "getting in a room and talking it out" would just be giving a malignant narcissist exactly what he wants, and would probably make everything worse. Punk hates these dudes as much as he does because they won't kowtow to his will, and he is clearly obsessed with being in control. Punk's call out of Hangman was in response to Hangman cutting a promo in the context of a professional wrestling feud that Punk took the wrong way, evidently because it caused him to do some introspection regarding the type of person he is that he didn't enjoy. That's not even slightly the same as Perry directly referencing a backstage incident with someone he was not actively feuding with on screen. The Elite haven't done a damn thing to warrant being called petulant children in this situation. |
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Post by ChitownKnight on Aug 29, 2023 10:34:03 GMT -5
CM Punk is more valuable to AEW than Jack Perry. In the 20 years I’ve been watching wrestling, Punk is def on my top 5 of all time and I defended the guy when the scrum first started and wanted him back. However at this point he’s wayyy more trouble than he’s worth and Jungle boy is a talented young kid who I can see being world champ one day. |
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Post by Dub H on Aug 29, 2023 10:35:16 GMT -5
CM Punk is more valuable to AEW than Jack Perry. Being double the age and not bringing the viewers that Collision was expected to..I have my doubts |
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Post by XIII on Aug 29, 2023 10:37:17 GMT -5
At this point I think that AEW is a burning building with Joe and Eddie Kingston in the middle like “what the f*** man!?”
Hyperbole aside, Khaaaaaan needs to get this house in order immediately.
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Post by markymark on Aug 29, 2023 10:38:48 GMT -5
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Post by khali on Aug 29, 2023 10:39:30 GMT -5
Sure, Jack Perry probably shouldn’t have said that on the air. But he’s just following the example of CM Punk, the guy who called out Hangman Page when he knew he wouldn’t come out in an attempt to make himself look like a tough guy. Perry is just following the example of the locker room leader. And what was Punk’s call out of Hangman in response to? None of this has ever been settled because they refuse to get in a room and talk it out. Petulant children, Punk, The Elite, the whole lot of them. By my count, Hangman made one remark to Punk’s face in a wrestling promo. Since then, Punk has called him out when he knew he wouldn’t come out to make him look like a bitch, trashed him and others in a press conference, and took more random shots in him in an after the show promo nearly a year after the scrum. Adam Page has done nothing to CM Punk since one line in a promo while they were feuding. Not at all comparable. |
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Aug 29, 2023 10:40:48 GMT -5
And what was Punk’s call out of Hangman in response to? None of this has ever been settled because they refuse to get in a room and talk it out. Petulant children, Punk, The Elite, the whole lot of them. Nah, I'm sorry, that's bullshit in my opinion. That would be true if CM Punk had given any indication that he's a normal, rational, human being over the last decade or so. At this point, letting him goad them into "getting in a room and talking it out" would just be giving a malignant narcissist exactly what he wants, and would probably make everything worse. Punk hates these dudes as much as he does because they won't kowtow to his will, and he is clearly obsessed with being in control. Punk's call out of Hangman was in response to Hangman cutting a promo in the context of a professional wrestling feud that Punk took the wrong way, evidently because it caused him to do some introspection regarding the type of person he is that he didn't enjoy. That's not even slightly the same as Perry directly referencing a backstage incident with someone he was not actively feuding with on screen. The Elite haven't done a damn thing to warrant being called petulant children in this situation. That Hangman promo had absolutely nothing to do with their professional wrestling feud. To say so is dishonest. Punk is obsessed with being in control. It's terrible and leads to the perception he does not want being built. That is his fault. And his even bigger fault is that he escalates everything to be much, much worse. It's not an eye for an eye with him. Someone takes an eye and Punk wants five eyes. Also his fault. I am just so sick of this idea the Elite are good little innocent angels who have done nothing. They are so passive aggressive, just as they were at the end of their time in New Japan. The Elite are the ones who have gotten everything they wanted. Don't have to face their problems, don't have to do anything they don't feel like. It also seems telling Punk is only having problem with the Elite crew. We all know Perry and Nemeth are with those guys. I could buy into the fact Punk is the sole catalyst for everything if he was also fighting the likes of Darby, Christian, House of Black, etc maybe their would be some truth to that idea. |
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Aug 29, 2023 10:41:48 GMT -5
CM Punk is more valuable to AEW than Jack Perry. Being double the age and not bringing the viewers that Collision was expected to..I have my doubts Punk is one of four wrestlers in AEW at the moment who repeatedly leads to gaining viewers. There is nothing you can point to as Jungle Boy effecting numbers in any way. |
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Aug 29, 2023 10:43:29 GMT -5
How many taxi companies operating in the lobby of Heatrow arrivals do you have to ignore to even try make this point on Twitter?
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Post by The anti-ratings Luddite on Aug 29, 2023 10:45:50 GMT -5
CM Punk is more valuable to AEW than Jack Perry.
Entirely subjective, so I'm not going to say you're wrong, but just as a counter point:
-CM Punk will be 45 years old in less than 2 months.
-He's injured himself TWICE since starting at AEW, both times requiring him to be out for a not insignificant amount of time. -Collision is performing 200k less viewers than AEW and WBD had hoped for.
Those are just the literal facts, not counting matters of opinion like whether or not Punk is an asshole or creates a toxic work environment or whatever.
Thinking at it from a business perspective, I'd totally get it if you were getting 2011 CM Punk. Sometimes the juice is worth the squeeze. But 2023 Punk is not the same, and the 2-3 "good" years you might get out of him aren't worth sacrificing the 15-20 you can get out of the younger talent.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Aug 29, 2023 10:48:19 GMT -5
If Punk is sticking around, can we at least get him on Hey-EW with RJ just so we can get another 3 months worth of material?
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