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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Aug 29, 2023 10:54:39 GMT -5
Nah, I'm sorry, that's bullshit in my opinion. That would be true if CM Punk had given any indication that he's a normal, rational, human being over the last decade or so. At this point, letting him goad them into "getting in a room and talking it out" would just be giving a malignant narcissist exactly what he wants, and would probably make everything worse. Punk hates these dudes as much as he does because they won't kowtow to his will, and he is clearly obsessed with being in control. Punk's call out of Hangman was in response to Hangman cutting a promo in the context of a professional wrestling feud that Punk took the wrong way, evidently because it caused him to do some introspection regarding the type of person he is that he didn't enjoy. That's not even slightly the same as Perry directly referencing a backstage incident with someone he was not actively feuding with on screen. The Elite haven't done a damn thing to warrant being called petulant children in this situation. That Hangman promo had absolutely nothing to do with their professional wrestling feud. To say so is dishonest. Punk is obsessed with being in control. It's terrible and leads to the perception he does not want being built. That is his fault. And his even bigger fault is that he escalates everything to be much, much worse. It's not an eye for an eye with him. Someone takes an eye and Punk wants five eyes. Also his fault. I am just so sick of this idea the Elite are good little innocent angels who have done nothing. They are so passive aggressive, just as they were at the end of their time in New Japan. The Elite are the ones who have gotten everything they wanted. Don't have to face their problems, don't have to do anything they don't feel like. It also seems telling Punk is only having problem with the Elite crew. We all know Perry and Nemeth are with those guys. I could buy into the fact Punk is the sole catalyst for everything if he was also fighting the likes of Darby, Christian, House of Black, etc maybe their would be some truth to that idea. What are you even talking about? Honestly. Hangman's promo was in an active feud with Punk, that was foundationally premised upon Punk coming into the company that Hangman helped establish, and trying to take over. In that context, on screen and as part of a pro wrestling feud, Hangman said that he has "no respect for Punk and what he's done since he's gotten here" and that he "talks a big game about worker's rights, but has shown the exact opposite since he's gotten here." Hangman said he "loves this place" and "cares about this place," and considers it his "home." It all fit squarely within the context of the on-screen feud. And, frankly, was downright innocuous compared to similar promos cut on Punk by Kingston and Moxley who, ironically, Punk has never gone after publicly because he knows full well how poorly that would work out for him. And the notion that the Elite "don't have to face their problems"? At this point, the story of the post-scrum brawl is pretty unequivocally known. Punk and Steel were the aggressors, and Punk and Steel made things physical first. Yet, the Elite were equally as suspended as Punk was. And Punk is decidedly not "only having problems with the Elite crew" unless you do Simone Biles levels of mental gymnastics to basically make everyone who has ever been associated with the Young Bucks and Kenny Omega in any scant way part of the "Elite crew." He's had problems with Matt Hardy. He's had problems with Miro (which, again, ironically, he's not addressing in any way because he only picks on people he perceives as beneath him in the pecking order). He's had problems with Christopher Daniels. I'm not even inherently anti-Punk. He was, at one time, my favorite wrestler. But, to echo what has been said many times in this thread at this point, if everywhere you go smells like shit, maybe it's time to check your own shoes. Punk is a problem. And he's not doing remotely enough for the company in terms of growth and ratings to be worth the level of problem he objectively is. |
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Post by khali on Aug 29, 2023 10:54:59 GMT -5
CM Punk is more valuable to AEW than Jack Perry. This will be the second time he’s been involved in an incidents where guys got suspended and messed up booking for upcoming shows in the process, so I’m not so sure of that now. |
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Post by Fade on Aug 29, 2023 10:55:45 GMT -5
I’m so tired I thought that read “C.M Punk got really high” and thought “Oh Thank God: He’ll finally chill out” If Punk is sticking around, can we at least get him on Hey-EW with RJ just so we can get another 3 months worth of material? RJ really needs to get that shit in cause at the rate we’re going.. |
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Aug 29, 2023 10:56:04 GMT -5
Being double the age and not bringing the viewers that Collision was expected to..I have my doubts Punk is one of four wrestlers in AEW at the moment who repeatedly leads to gaining viewers. There is nothing you can point to as Jungle Boy effecting numbers in any way. But Perry is a long term investment who needs time to grow in status. Punk meanwhile threatens to leave every time someone looks at him wrong and tears something every time he farts too hard. Long term I think Jack would be the guy I’d go with. |
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Post by The anti-ratings Luddite on Aug 29, 2023 10:58:31 GMT -5
That Hangman promo had absolutely nothing to do with their professional wrestling feud. To say so is dishonest. Punk is obsessed with being in control. It's terrible and leads to the perception he does not want being built. That is his fault. And his even bigger fault is that he escalates everything to be much, much worse. It's not an eye for an eye with him. Someone takes an eye and Punk wants five eyes. Also his fault. I am just so sick of this idea the Elite are good little innocent angels who have done nothing. They are so passive aggressive, just as they were at the end of their time in New Japan. The Elite are the ones who have gotten everything they wanted. Don't have to face their problems, don't have to do anything they don't feel like. It also seems telling Punk is only having problem with the Elite crew. We all know Perry and Nemeth are with those guys. I could buy into the fact Punk is the sole catalyst for everything if he was also fighting the likes of Darby, Christian, House of Black, etc maybe their would be some truth to that idea. What are you even talking about? Honestly. Hangman's promo was in an active feud with Punk, that was foundationally premised upon Punk coming into the company that Hangman helped establish, and trying to take over. In that context, on screen and as part of a pro wrestling feud, Hangman said that he has "no respect for Punk and what he's done since he's gotten here" and that he "talks a big game about worker's rights, but has shown the exact opposite since he's gotten here." Hangman said he "loves this place" and "cares about this place," and considers it his "home." It all fit squarely within the context of the on-screen feud. And, frankly, was downright innocuous compared to similar promos cut on Punk by Kingston and Moxley who, ironically, Punk has never gone after publicly because he knows full well how poorly that would work out for him. And the notion that the Elite "don't have to face their problems"? At this point, the story of the post-scrum brawl is pretty unequivocally known. Punk and Steel were the aggressors, and Punk and Steel made things physical first. Yet, the Elite were equally as suspended as Punk was. And Punk is decidedly not "only having problems with the Elite crew" unless you do Simone Biles levels of mental gymnastics to basically make everyone who has ever been associated with the Young Bucks and Kenny Omega in any scant way part of the "Elite crew." He's had problems with Matt Hardy. He's had problems with Miro (which, again, ironically, he's not addressing in any way because he only picks on people he perceives as beneath him in the pecking order). He's had problems with Christopher Daniels. I'm not even inherently anti-Punk. He was, at one time, my favorite wrestler. But, to echo what has been said many times in this thread at this point, if everywhere you go smells like shit, maybe it's time to check your own shoes. Punk is a problem. And he's not doing remotely enough for the company in terms of growth and ratings to be worth the level of problem he objectively is.
While I do think BrawlOut was 100% on Punk, I don't feel TOO bad for the Elite.
They just negotiated new deals a while back, and I doubt they would have stayed if Tony hadn't given them that bag.
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Aug 29, 2023 10:59:11 GMT -5
That Hangman promo had absolutely nothing to do with their professional wrestling feud. To say so is dishonest. Punk is obsessed with being in control. It's terrible and leads to the perception he does not want being built. That is his fault. And his even bigger fault is that he escalates everything to be much, much worse. It's not an eye for an eye with him. Someone takes an eye and Punk wants five eyes. Also his fault. I am just so sick of this idea the Elite are good little innocent angels who have done nothing. They are so passive aggressive, just as they were at the end of their time in New Japan. The Elite are the ones who have gotten everything they wanted. Don't have to face their problems, don't have to do anything they don't feel like. It also seems telling Punk is only having problem with the Elite crew. We all know Perry and Nemeth are with those guys. I could buy into the fact Punk is the sole catalyst for everything if he was also fighting the likes of Darby, Christian, House of Black, etc maybe their would be some truth to that idea. What are you even talking about? Honestly. Hangman's promo was in an active feud with Punk, that was foundationally premised upon Punk coming into the company that Hangman helped establish, and trying to take over. In that context, on screen and as part of a pro wrestling feud, Hangman said that he has "no respect for Punk and what he's done since he's gotten here" and that he "talks a big game about worker's rights, but has shown the exact opposite since he's gotten here." Hangman said he "loves this place" and "cares about this place," and considers it his "home." It all fit squarely within the context of the on-screen feud. And, frankly, was downright innocuous compared to similar promos cut on Punk by Kingston and Moxley who, ironically, Punk has never gone after publicly because he knows full well how poorly that would work out for him. And the notion that the Elite "don't have to face their problems"? At this point, the story of the post-scrum brawl is pretty unequivocally known. Punk and Steel were the aggressors, and Punk and Steel made things physical first. Yet, the Elite were equally as suspended as Punk was. And Punk is decidedly not "only having problems with the Elite crew" unless you do Simone Biles levels of mental gymnastics to basically make everyone who has ever been associated with the Young Bucks and Kenny Omega in any scant way part of the "Elite crew." He's had problems with Matt Hardy. He's had problems with Miro (which, again, ironically, he's not addressing in any way because he only picks on people he perceives as beneath him in the pecking order). He's had problems with Christopher Daniels. I'm not even inherently anti-Punk. He was, at one time, my favorite wrestler. But, to echo what has been said many times in this thread at this point, if everywhere you go smells like shit, maybe it's time to check your own shoes. Punk is a problem. And he's not doing remotely enough for the company in terms of growth and ratings to be worth the level of problem he objectively is. Or maybe Kingston and Mox told Punk before? The Hangman quip only makes sense in the context of what he says in the promo. That storyline was not about that to now. You talk about universal truths in this scenario, Hangman going into business for himself is certainly one. Christopher Daniels is for sure part of that Elite crew. I have said Punk is a problem. He's become a huge one. My issue is the idea the Elite are innocent bystanders. |
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Aug 29, 2023 11:00:31 GMT -5
What are you even talking about? Honestly. Hangman's promo was in an active feud with Punk, that was foundationally premised upon Punk coming into the company that Hangman helped establish, and trying to take over. In that context, on screen and as part of a pro wrestling feud, Hangman said that he has "no respect for Punk and what he's done since he's gotten here" and that he "talks a big game about worker's rights, but has shown the exact opposite since he's gotten here." Hangman said he "loves this place" and "cares about this place," and considers it his "home." It all fit squarely within the context of the on-screen feud. And, frankly, was downright innocuous compared to similar promos cut on Punk by Kingston and Moxley who, ironically, Punk has never gone after publicly because he knows full well how poorly that would work out for him. And the notion that the Elite "don't have to face their problems"? At this point, the story of the post-scrum brawl is pretty unequivocally known. Punk and Steel were the aggressors, and Punk and Steel made things physical first. Yet, the Elite were equally as suspended as Punk was. And Punk is decidedly not "only having problems with the Elite crew" unless you do Simone Biles levels of mental gymnastics to basically make everyone who has ever been associated with the Young Bucks and Kenny Omega in any scant way part of the "Elite crew." He's had problems with Matt Hardy. He's had problems with Miro (which, again, ironically, he's not addressing in any way because he only picks on people he perceives as beneath him in the pecking order). He's had problems with Christopher Daniels. I'm not even inherently anti-Punk. He was, at one time, my favorite wrestler. But, to echo what has been said many times in this thread at this point, if everywhere you go smells like shit, maybe it's time to check your own shoes. Punk is a problem. And he's not doing remotely enough for the company in terms of growth and ratings to be worth the level of problem he objectively is.
While I do think BrawlOut was 100% on Punk, I don't feel TOO bad for the Elite.
They just negotiated new deals a while back, and I doubt they would have stayed if Tony hadn't given them that bag.
Completely agreed. I don't even disagree with the notion that the Bucks in particular are insanely passive aggressive on social media. I do vehemently disagree with the notion that the current situation with Punk is, in any way shape or form, related to their unwillingness to work with him, or "sit down and talk it out." I wouldn't want to work with that douchebag either, under the circumstances, and it would piss me off if people considered me a "petulant child" simply because I was ignoring my narcissistic bully of a coworker. |
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Post by coleslaw on Aug 29, 2023 11:00:50 GMT -5
TK: "yeah when you get there we'll have a guy waiting for you Punk"
*hangs up*
"....I hired a guy, right?"
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Post by Kalmia on Aug 29, 2023 11:01:11 GMT -5
CM Punk is more valuable to AEW than Jack Perry. It's not an either/or situation. They can both be reprimanded for this independently of each other. AEW doesn't need to take sides and decide to only punish one of them, they can punish both. Besides, the broader question with CM Punk is whether he is worth the hassle he keeps on bringing to the company. |
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Post by Celexa Bliss on Aug 29, 2023 11:03:08 GMT -5
Can't take credit but I saw it on Facebook and it made me laugh.  |
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Aug 29, 2023 11:08:28 GMT -5
Travel issues happen, especially when you go out of your way to try and get special treatment on an overseas trip. What you do is get a taxi/Uber, send an expense report, and have a private conversation with whoever your superior and HR rep are. Not throwing a tantrum because you were minority inconvenienced in a way that can be and is regularly solved by actual children. |
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Post by The Captain on Aug 29, 2023 11:09:14 GMT -5
I'm tired, I'm sore, and I work with f***ing children. In that I'm self-employed at home and the only person usually in my room during my working hours is my sister's six month old cat, Wednesday. Here's her hanging out in our dryer.  A quality cat. |
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Post by Celexa Bliss on Aug 29, 2023 11:19:17 GMT -5
I think the big question is, what actually happened to the limo driver?
*The limo pulls up and Kenny Omega, The Young Bucks and Hangman Adam Page get in*
Limo Driver: Um... Mr. Punk?
Hangman Adam Page: Yeah, that's me. These are my buddies, Dax, Cash and Ace.
*Kota Ibushi comes running out of the hotel*
HAP: Oh yeah, and that's Larry.
LD: ...whatever. f***in' wrestlers...
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Post by Chiral on Aug 29, 2023 11:23:40 GMT -5
Punk leaking random shit about someone else to make himself look better is an ultra dweeb move. "Oh its OK I kicked Sammy Guevara in the balls unprompted, earlier in the day AEW's shitty catering gave me food poisoning." Plz dude just go away.
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Post by thechase on Aug 29, 2023 11:30:16 GMT -5
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Post by Citizen Snips on Aug 29, 2023 11:31:06 GMT -5
Travel issues happen, especially when you go out of your way to try and get special treatment on an overseas trip. What you do is get a taxi/Uber, send an expense report, and have a private conversation with whoever your superior and HR rep are. Not throwing a tantrum because you were minority inconvenienced in a way that can be and is regularly solved by actual children. How is someone from Chicago so inept at using public transportation anyways? |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 29, 2023 11:31:26 GMT -5
Sure, Jack Perry probably shouldn’t have said that on the air. But he’s just following the example of CM Punk, the guy who called out Hangman Page when he knew he wouldn’t come out in an attempt to make himself look like a tough guy. Perry is just following the example of the locker room leader. And what was Punk’s call out of Hangman in response to? None of this has ever been settled because they refuse to get in a room and talk it out. Petulant children, Punk, The Elite, the whole lot of them. Not but they got into a room and talked it out. After the Hangman comment in the first place. That was a whole thing they talked about backstage peacefully, and everyone in the company believed the issue was solved and had been dealt with. Then, four months later, when everyone believed the Hangman comment was dealt with and Punk was satisfied with its conclusion and the match and moving on, Punk comes back, does his 'coward shit' call out, does the Gripebomb, and spends the next year banging on about it still. They already talked stuff out, and I don't think The Elite are children for going "Yeah there's no point in trying, keep him the f*** away from us now we just won't interact with him". None of this has been settled in CM Punk's mind, but literally everybody else thoguht this was settled and was said to be surprised that it wasn't. |
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Post by raymondo316 on Aug 29, 2023 11:32:51 GMT -5
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Post by thechase on Aug 29, 2023 11:34:00 GMT -5
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Aug 29, 2023 11:34:38 GMT -5
Just pointing out for the sake of posterity that Miro has probably taken the most jabs at Punk of anyone, despite never having had a feud with him on screen, and Punk has not, and will not say a damn thing to him because he knows that Miro is not below him in the pecking order, and would also break him into 9 million pieces in a real fight. |
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