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Post by markymark on Sept 2, 2023 11:06:49 GMT -5
I actually wonder if having Punk be the only top name regularly on Collision is in fact hurting Collision instead of making it the tune-in destination for CM Punk fans. Like, the lines had to be drawn around who has beef with Punk and naturally the entire main event scene right now has some level of beef with Punk, and the guys who do work Saturdays like HOB, The Acclaimed, Darby, Ricky, BCG, etc. are hardly slouches. But are we sure Collision wouldn't do a bit better if sometimes Moxley showed up? If the Cole and MJF storyline sometimes developed on Saturday nights outside of that one tag match? What if Hangman worked Saturdays? What if the Bucks worked Saturdays? Would a banger exhibition style Kenny match pull in good numbers for Collision the same way it can for Dynamite? What about Orange Cassidy doing Orange Cassidy things? Making it CM Punk Island was something I said was a bad idea at the start compared to actually balancing its talent, and now people are using Collision being Punk's show to claim it was hand-crafted for them to feature CM Punk rather than being a convenient way to draw those lines and therefore they gotta keep him. It doesn't have to be. And even if you lose Punk, maybe you get a better distribution of your talent across both shows and the ratings tick upward a little bit as a result. There's a very reasonable chance that CM Punk and the decisions to let it play out this way are hurting Collision. Except we can't have talent moving more freely because Punk's dream of a "drama free locker room" needs people put in chokeholds and having their Ring of Honor bookings revoked night of. But he sells t-shirts so it's okay. I'm a fan of the cool rebellious CM Punk who goes after people he doesn't like and he deserves to because he makes the company money.
The shows format isnt bad as seen how the main event tends to do higher than the opening match/segment, Collision had some aspects that has made it different than Dynamite in a good way but yeah the negative was going to be Punk paranoia and the lack of depth due to either banning people or people not wanting to work under Punk.
The show has gone downhill post Brochachos vs FTR episode
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Post by jm on Sept 2, 2023 11:12:01 GMT -5
I think here's how a lot of this thread breaks down: Some people believe that if someone mouths off to them, they have the right to go looking for a fight and purposefully escalate it to physicality because the other person "started it", and that... that is really, really f***ing horrifying to hear out of adults. Like I said a few days ago: it's becoming more and more clear that Punk stans live vicariously through Punk, and they wish they could just punch someone if someone says something negative to them just as Punk has. They want to be Punk in that regard.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Sept 2, 2023 11:13:10 GMT -5
I think here's how a lot of this thread breaks down: Some people believe that if someone mouths off to them, they have the right to go looking for a fight and purposefully escalate it to physicality because the other person "started it", and that... that is really, really f***ing horrifying to hear out of adults. Punk's found his MMA fanbase after all, unfortunately it's just the tribal tattoo-having Trapt-listening Just Bleed guys.
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Post by rajaah on Sept 2, 2023 11:14:00 GMT -5
With Punk losing Britt (by extension Cole) and MJF...
At this point I think the only main eventers left for Punk to actually work with are Ricky Starks, Samoa Joe, maybe Miro, Darby and Jay White if you count them as main eventers... is that it? I can't think of anyone else.
Such a small pool of main eventers to work with is not sustainable.
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Sept 2, 2023 11:21:41 GMT -5
Starks might be off the Punk train now his London antics cost Starks an All Out main event and who knows what Miro thinks of the man anymore (I suspect Punk’s “haha we were only joking!” spin he sent to SRS was damage control coz he cares more about his tough guy veteran image than his career and there’s more to Alvarez’s story than he’d like us to know).
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 2, 2023 11:21:45 GMT -5
With Punk losing Britt (by extension Cole) and MJF... At this point I think the only main eventers left for Punk to actually work with are Ricky Starks, Samoa Joe, maybe Miro, Darby and Jay White if you count them as main eventers... is that it? I can't think of anyone else. Such a small pool of main eventers to work with is not sustainable. There is Powerhouse Hobbs and The House of Black, but thats about it. And if Punk is dead set on his "Real Worlds Champion" character, storyline be dammed, then any program with Punk is going to be a chore.
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Post by markymark on Sept 2, 2023 11:23:43 GMT -5
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Post by rajaah on Sept 2, 2023 11:30:58 GMT -5
I think here's how a lot of this thread breaks down: Some people believe that if someone mouths off to them, they have the right to go looking for a fight and purposefully escalate it to physicality because the other person "started it", and that... that is really, really f***ing horrifying to hear out of adults. Punk's found his MMA fanbase after all, unfortunately it's just the tribal tattoo-having Trapt-listening Just Bleed guys. The Punk defenders at this point have really taken on a lot of Tapout Shirt Wearing Guy energy.
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Post by Hypnosis on Sept 2, 2023 11:34:31 GMT -5
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Post by tenshi on Sept 2, 2023 11:35:39 GMT -5
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Sept 2, 2023 11:37:34 GMT -5
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 2, 2023 11:38:13 GMT -5
That's probably enemies. I doubt that Chuck and Trent want to work with Punk either.
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 2, 2023 11:44:30 GMT -5
With Punk losing Britt (by extension Cole) and MJF... At this point I think the only main eventers left for Punk to actually work with are Ricky Starks, Samoa Joe, maybe Miro, Darby and Jay White if you count them as main eventers... is that it? I can't think of anyone else. Such a small pool of main eventers to work with is not sustainable. There is Powerhouse Hobbs and The House of Black, but thats about it. And if Punk is dead set on his "Real Worlds Champion" character, storyline be dammed, then any program with Punk is going to be a chore. Yeah even if someone doesn't mind working with Punk personally that angle makes it a near dead end creatively/professionally. It's going to be really hard to come out of the fued looking better, win or lose.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Sept 2, 2023 11:48:19 GMT -5
Jack Perry didn't freaking CHOKE ANYBODY. What triggered the chain of events? Perry knocking on glass and saying "Cry me a river!". it's revealed punk has banned wrestlers from collision that have had previous negative encounters with punk either online or backstage, including banning the head of talent relations for the company in retaliation for his friend being banned from being backstage at any aew show. the same friend who was fired for physically biting another member of the aew roster/evp's. punk triggered by seeing Hangman page signs in the audience makes an unauthorised unprovoked shoot promo post show aimed at hangman page. (possibly as a way to deflect from the news about banning said wrestlers from collision.) punk punk leaks about stopping jack perry from using real glass on collision despite it being okayed from others in the company, in an attempt to deflect any criticism of him ending up digging the hole deeper, this was leaked by punk's side as it originally was worded in a way to make punk look like the worlds best boss. as more details come out "we dont do that shit here, you want to do that go back to wednesday. and that spot was anted to be done to get a week off work" and that the planned spot was to cover an authorised week off for perry. the chain of events for this incident starts from punk banning people from collision, saying no to an authorised spot as he thought it was being used as a way to get time off work. once the bannings are made public knowledge opens his mouth post show to shit on a co-worker hoping to deflect incoming shit from the bannings and then by dropping co-worker who wanted to do a glass use spot into shit hoping to deflect shit from the post show shoot promo, fails in deflecting by making things worse. co worker has a pop back on a ppv pre-show with a stupid yet harmless line and doing the denied glass spot. punk makes it worse by instigating a fight backstage just before he's due to open the ppv. I know there has been a lot of drama involving punk in the last 6-8 weeks 12 months but he is the one constant in damn near every shitstorm backstage, trying to pass the blame to anyone other than punk here is not only disingenuous but flat out burying your head in the sand as to the number one cause of issues backstage at aew, that being one phillip jack brookes aka c.m. punk.
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Post by Burst on Sept 2, 2023 11:49:25 GMT -5
But BUSINESS BUSINESS MONEY T-SHIRTS MERCH SALES BUSINESS MONEY Let me just say that I love how for as much as Punk is supposed to be this anti-authority rebellious icon, his stans nowadays always seem to default to the most Square Mr. Business metrics for why he should be kept around and why he's a cool dude.
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Post by Chiral on Sept 2, 2023 11:50:30 GMT -5
It's probably been said before but with the way he runs Collision, Punk would be absolute shit at managing a Target.
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Post by Kalmia on Sept 2, 2023 11:54:24 GMT -5
That business argument is such a stupid argument in the context of pro-wrestling. Hulk Hogan has probably drawn more money than any other wrestler in the history of wrestling, but he's also partially responsible for sending a couple of companies into downward spirals they struggled to get out of.
Wrestling does not work when top guys get to run roughshod over everything else. History has proven that and that's why so many are worried about CM Punk and AEW. This was Punk's chance to prove he could buck the trend but he f***ed up again.
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Post by Burst on Sept 2, 2023 11:55:59 GMT -5
It's probably been said before but with the way he runs Collision, Punk would be absolute shit at managing a Target. I feel like it's been said in one of the myriad pages of these scrum threads, but it really does feel like Punk has zero perception on how to behave in a non-wrestling professional environment and zero willingness to learn. Like, I'm thinking of the various retired wrestlers that have gone onto non-wrestling non-media careers outside of the public eye, or even Hangman having been a teacher before wrestling, and Punk feels like he would just be utterly unemployable if he didn't have wrestling, royalties from wrestling, or wasn't able to use "I am CM Punk, a mighty wrestler" as leverage to get him TV or comic book gigs.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Sept 2, 2023 11:56:02 GMT -5
But BUSINESS BUSINESS MONEY T-SHIRTS MERCH SALES BUSINESS MONEY Let me just say that I love how for as much as Punk is supposed to be this anti-authority rebellious icon, his stans nowadays always seem to default to the most Square Mr. Business metrics for why he should be kept around and why he's a cool dude. You either die a punk or live long enough to sell out.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Sept 2, 2023 12:04:13 GMT -5
CM Punk is about as punk rock as Good Charlotte and Simple Plan.
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