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Post by markymark on Dec 6, 2022 16:41:50 GMT -5
Thats fair because the only ROH title that has been defended recently on Dynamite is the World Title, Garcia vs Yuta was way back in September.(Pre All Out).
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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 6, 2022 16:44:24 GMT -5
"frankly Chris Jericho should be on any wrestling show in the world he wants to be on"
You'd think he'd learn from the Punk debacle that he runs things, not the wrestlers
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 6, 2022 16:45:10 GMT -5
He's absolutely right that there's been less ROH on TV lately. And it's also true that the Final Battle build has suffered a bit but that's the tradeoff right now until ROH gets its own show.
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 6, 2022 16:54:58 GMT -5
There has been less ROH on Dynamite recently. The recent Dynamites have also been praised quite highly, although I'm sure that's not at all related.
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 6, 2022 16:57:41 GMT -5
It may have reduced focus but most of the titles are still there which is the main problem. I think TK gets this too which is why Joe has two of them and is already defending the rent title more often than his recent predecessors. Yet there's still the question why nobody seems interested in winning the others.
SioG beating a team with three sets of titles to earn a shot at a fourth remains the worst example to highlight of the issues the belts cause even if not the focus. It's all a situation made worse by the new aew titles being established at the same time.
Plus the perception Jay Lethal and co are RoH guys, it might not be technically correct but if that's how fans see it then it's still a problem.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 6, 2022 17:11:23 GMT -5
Tony just needs to bite the bullet and put RoH on Youtube until he gets a broadcast deal.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Dec 6, 2022 17:11:43 GMT -5
"frankly Chris Jericho should be on any wrestling show in the world he wants to be on" You'd think he'd learn from the Punk debacle that he runs things, not the wrestlers It kinda feels like Jericho has Tony's ear more than even The Elite right now despite them being EVPs. It seems like he has the power to book a lot of his own stuff. He gets more TV time than anyone really and that's been the case for the entire existence of the company. And he feels comfortable enough to claim to have the power to stop people from getting hired like when he threatened Shotzi. I think he's said in the past that he was asked and turned the position down but he almost is the unofficial 4th (or 5th?) EVP at this point.
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Post by chrom on Dec 6, 2022 17:15:22 GMT -5
As we've seen, this is another of his missing steps plan.
It's been almost nine months since he bought it and there's been zero progress.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 6, 2022 17:18:51 GMT -5
As we've seen, this is another of his missing steps plan. It's been almost nine months since he bought it and there's been zero progress. That's not on him. That's on the Warner Bros Discovery merger that happened at damn near the exact same time, and ground everything business related to a halt It's still ongoing, and hasn't been doing well as a whole, but this isn't exactly Tony's fault, he clearly had a plan to get the ROH deal announced by now, and that's been a huge reason why it hasn't.
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Post by XIII on Dec 6, 2022 17:22:06 GMT -5
I was never a fan of his buying ROH, running a wrestling promotion with a tv deal and ostensibly being a “competitor” to the WWE is a Herculean task in itself and that should be the focus. Trying to then run another promotion/fit it into shows with an already bursting at the seams roster and it’s a recipe for trouble. AEW is still in its infancy essentially and building that should always be the main task at hand. I just feel like TK has good intentions but is ultimately a fan that wants to fantasy book these things sometimes.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Dec 6, 2022 17:29:35 GMT -5
It's a bit disingenuous to state Jericho's the only ROH focus given the amount of ROH belts are visible week-in, week-out on the main shows. I cannot fathom what further value the ROH brand brings to AEW beyond its library, a few key hires and a maybe a couple of gimmicks. I see absolutely no one clarmouring for this relaunch (to be honest, I'm not coming across many mouring the loss of latter-day ROH either, but that just may be the circles I keep). I really hope there soon comes a day where we get a unification blow-out show and can just move on.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 6, 2022 17:36:43 GMT -5
Also TK: I'm gonna make the ROH TV Champion the AEW TV Champion, so it doesnt count right?
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Dec 6, 2022 17:36:57 GMT -5
He's technically not lying that lately it is just the ROH title showcased. Still, either put the ROH stuff on YouTube for now or something. while the past ppvs for it under Tony have had good numbers, I don't think Final Battle will follow suit. Meh card and nothing really looking like it'll be worth the $40 or so bucks.
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Post by markymark on Dec 6, 2022 17:38:26 GMT -5
"frankly Chris Jericho should be on any wrestling show in the world he wants to be on" You'd think he'd learn from the Punk debacle that he runs things, not the wrestlers It kinda feels like Jericho has Tony's ear more than even The Elite right now despite them being EVPs. It seems like he has the power to book a lot of his own stuff. He gets more TV time than anyone really and that's been the case for the entire existence of the company. And he feels comfortable enough to claim to have the power to stop people from getting hired like when he threatened Shotzi. I think he's said in the past that he was asked and turned the position down but he almost is the unofficial 4th (or 5th?) EVP at this point.
Since the Elite return at FG, they have had more tv time than Jericho so far (Jericho was absent last week), I get that Jericho tv time increased ever since the whole Media Scrum sht.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 6, 2022 17:40:18 GMT -5
Y'know, except for presently building up an ROH Women's title feud, and Joe walking around with the TV title, and Garcia having the Pure one and having a feud going built around it, and them advertising the ROH PPV, and FTR carrying around the tag belts while having a feud simmering over them with the Ass Boys and...
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Post by markymark on Dec 6, 2022 17:41:20 GMT -5
Also TK: I'm gonna make the ROH TV Champion the AEW TV Champion, so it doesnt count right? Tbf there is a fair chance the titles are merged(also seeing the Briscoes tweet of being banned from tv so I guess they will go for a streaming deal thus they dont need a ROH tv title anymore) He's technically not lying that lately it is just the ROH title showcased. Still, either put the ROH stuff on YouTube for now or something. while the past ppvs for it under Tony have had good numbers, I don't think Final Battle will follow suit. Meh card and nothing really looking like it'll be worth the $40 or so bucks.
The PPV is going head to head to with the 2nd half of England vs France(which has a good chance in ending in extra time).
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 6, 2022 18:09:44 GMT -5
Y'know, except for presently building up an ROH Women's title feud, and Joe walking around with the TV title, and Garcia having the Pure one and having a feud going built around it, and them advertising the ROH PPV, and FTR carrying around the tag belts while having a feud simmering over them with the Ass Boys and... Well yeah, the ROH feuds have been a bit more present on shows lately because there's a ROH PPV coming in a week that needs matches on it. But imo there has been less ROH focus on AEW as of late outside of the world title.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 6, 2022 18:23:02 GMT -5
He is correct to wait until he has a good deal before relaunching the brand in full. Whenever he does it, the peak in interest will likely be that first show. People will be curious to see what the new ROH looks like and how the show goes. You don't want that show to be when it's just like Dark or Elevation if there's any chance you can get a better platform.
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Post by DSR on Dec 6, 2022 18:28:36 GMT -5
It's a bit disingenuous to state Jericho's the only ROH focus given the amount of ROH belts are visible week-in, week-out on the main shows. I cannot fathom what further value the ROH brand brings to AEW beyond its library, a few key hires and a maybe a couple of gimmicks. I see absolutely no one clarmouring for this relaunch (to be honest, I'm not coming across many mouring the loss of latter-day ROH either, but that just may be the circles I keep). I really hope there soon comes a day where we get a unification blow-out show and can just move on. I thought latter-day ROH was doing a good job of righting the ship. I mourned when it went down...but it's been a year at this point. The talent I liked has landed in good spots more or less. I'm fine with the "spirit" of ROH being merged into the history of AEW now. *shrug*
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Dec 6, 2022 18:44:06 GMT -5
For me, it's not "giving ROH enough TV time," it's been pushing AEW talent over ROH talent, the same talent that carried ROH through the pandemic.
I get it. Push Jericho as your champ. Build a storyline around a heel champ, but this only works for me if one of those lost ROH talents usurp him. Not an AEW talent, a Dalton Castle, a Jonathan Gresham, a Shane Taylor etc. Until recently, Bandido should've been that guy.
I love Claudio, but he is AEW, and fair point to any former ROH talent that wishes not to be associated with a brand they left years ago. Much like Eddie Guerrero not wanting to work ECW's One Night Stand.
Honestly, this is a holding pattern until either the ROH name is lost or moves beyond "AEW presents ROH." Until then, this is one promotion wearing another promotion's skin.
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