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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 20, 2022 9:02:16 GMT -5
It's really disappointing that Wrestlecrap is giving Russo any sort of platform. Yeah a lot of the early Wrestlecrap has aged really badly but in fairness to them it was the style at the time Giving Russo a platform with the views he expresses is just doubling down on their unacceptable shit at a time when it is less acceptable than ever
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 20, 2022 9:17:48 GMT -5
Russo is urbanite trash. The city slicker version of trailer park trash. According to many sources he was a big fan of Jerry Springer and Howard Stern and drew heavy inspiration from them. At the same time, he wanted to write himself as the top villain, as world champion, and as having a fling with a supermodel. I think all that says it all about what kind of material he is cut from. He's not even urbanite trash. I'm from the literal sewer of Long Island, and some of the people here are too trashy and ridiculous to be believed. To wit; Jim Cornette is born and bred southern trailer park trash, he admits it and wears it proudly. To him the south is paradise, who would want to live anywhere else? And any time he did, such as living in Connecticut, he was miserable. By contrast, Russo is born and bred urbanite trash, to him NYC is paradise, who would want to live anywhere else? And anytime he did, like living in Georgia, he was miserable. That these two would hate ea h other instantly was written in the stars.
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Post by MrElijah on Dec 20, 2022 10:24:45 GMT -5
Imagine creating a gimmick so bad, a 1999 WWF crowd crapped on it, a crowd that was into John Tenta in a gold mask holding a Cartman doll and a pro wrestling porn star, and then turning around and going “They didn’t get it, bro! It was high art!” Vince Russo is a dumb son of a bitch. Herb Abrams could probably book better. Well, not really but f*** Russo.
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Post by WinOwensWin on Dec 20, 2022 10:30:28 GMT -5
My 2nd grader could write a more coherent article, with less spelling and grammar mistakes.
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Post by jason1980s on Dec 20, 2022 10:44:58 GMT -5
One thing that I really didn't get about the gimmick is why it was done in the first place. I know the original 1960s show is considered a classic and is probably on somewhere once a day or more but in 1999 it seems like it was a time before classic shows were really so popular simply based on being classic that they should have based a gimmick on it. Russo wanting a Beaver gimmick would be like Bobby Heenan making a Beaver reference during commentary, just not with the times. But I guess the gimmick was more based on the incest part and less on a simply popular classic show. Also know other old show could let Russo use the name "Cleavage." I would love to be a fly on the wall when he pitched this idea. I'm sure JR would have hated it and I imagine even Vince McMahon thought it was poop.
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Post by chrom on Dec 20, 2022 13:48:19 GMT -5
What was there to get?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 20, 2022 14:56:26 GMT -5
One thing that I really didn't get about the gimmick is why it was done in the first place. I know the original 1960s show is considered a classic and is probably on somewhere once a day or more but in 1999 it seems like it was a time before classic shows were really so popular simply based on being classic that they should have based a gimmick on it. Russo wanting a Beaver gimmick would be like Bobby Heenan making a Beaver reference during commentary, just not with the times. But I guess the gimmick was more based on the incest part and less on a simply popular classic show. Also know other old show could let Russo use the name "Cleavage." I would love to be a fly on the wall when he pitched this idea. I'm sure JR would have hated it and I imagine even Vince McMahon thought it was poop. Eh, Nick @ Nite was a pretty established thing by the early 90s so it was a staple before TV Land got established and Leave It To Beaver ended up there so honestly, that feels like the only part of it that sort of makes sense. And I know I'm super stretching the "makes sense" part of that sentence to its absolute limit but still!
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Post by XIII on Dec 20, 2022 15:00:06 GMT -5
I just want to point out that a dude named Harry “Beaver” Cleavage would get laughed out of a backyard fed for being too stupid.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 20, 2022 15:03:30 GMT -5
Oh wow. That was a journey.
He’s gotta be joking, right? This is a joke where he defends weird dumb ideas of his?
It’s written so poorly too. Like I can imagine every word being scrawled into the wall of an insane asylum
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 20, 2022 15:21:40 GMT -5
I love how THIS was his hill to die on about leaving WWE.
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Post by Helen of Jasper Troy on Dec 20, 2022 15:46:03 GMT -5
ALSO CAN I JUST SAY CHAZ WAS GENUINELY RLY GOOD IN THE RING ESPECIALLY FOR 1999 I THINK HE'S ONE OF THE FEW DUDES THAT COULD HAVE GOTTEN OVER AS A RASSLING RASSLER
Seriously dude is stupid underrated.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 20, 2022 15:52:03 GMT -5
Nobody would have given a shit about the talk I made at the conference if it was just an ordinary everyday talk, but because I shit my pants while pretending to be possessed by demons, everyone remembers my conference talk almost 25 years later. That says something.
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Post by Helen of Jasper Troy on Dec 20, 2022 15:58:28 GMT -5
Chaz Warrington was literally an OG indy darling, dude deserves more love lmao
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 20, 2022 15:58:29 GMT -5
I'd love to have a job where I could name people based on slang terms for vaginas.
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Post by XIII on Dec 20, 2022 16:00:00 GMT -5
I also love that Russo’s defense is always “you just didn’t get what I was going for, bro” dude legit thinks he’s a creative genius. LMAO
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 20, 2022 16:00:31 GMT -5
I'd love to have a job where I could name people based on slang terms for vaginas. Russo’s entire sense of humor is getting away with saying dirty words with “clever innuendo”. He’s a big acronym guy. It’s Sports Entertainment X-Treme. Its S.E.X! Get it? Oooooh man. Thinking man’s kinda show. He’s like Married with Children if all of the writers had air conditioning units fall on their heads
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Dec 20, 2022 16:06:38 GMT -5
Dear god, he’s gonna defend the Chaz/Marianna abuse storyline next, isn’t he?
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Dec 20, 2022 16:07:05 GMT -5
This is dialogue taken directly from a tournament arc in an anime, I swear bro.
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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 20, 2022 16:13:13 GMT -5
I'm gonna say more people remember him fondly for the Headbangers than the gimmick where he had to give up any sense of dignity, dress as a literal child called the equivalent of Pubes McBoobies, all for a reference to a 40 years out of date bit of pop culture.
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Post by H-Virus on Dec 20, 2022 17:03:01 GMT -5
“Bro, you don’t understand. You people were lucky to have even seen Harry Beaver, bro. If McMahon hadn’t shut things down so quickly you would have gotten to see him feud with Wiener von Lesbian, and since you people can’t see the bigger picture, bro, he was a parody of Dick Van Dyke. Swear to God, bro, there’s not a single person out there that wouldn’t have paid to see Wiener pounding Beaver in that ring, bro!”
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