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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 16, 2023 3:07:47 GMT -5
AEW are so bad at booking the women's division so much of the time
There was a great women's tag team match this week and Jamie Hayter out popped Saraya, Britt and Toni Storm, and all any of us can talk about is how badly built that tag match was
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 16, 2023 3:38:21 GMT -5
I'm worried if they don't act on splitting Jamie and Britt soon they'll lose the momentum. Britt being jealous of Jamie's title and popularity is an easy story.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 16, 2023 7:27:55 GMT -5
I'm worried if they don't act on splitting Jamie and Britt soon they'll lose the momentum. Britt being jealous of Jamie's title and popularity is an easy story. Idk, crowds are going nuts for the both of them. I feel like when the turn happens, the heats gonna be MASSIVE because they've built up a dynamic together and the crowds are buying in, especially now that Jamie is champion.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 16, 2023 8:40:39 GMT -5
I'm worried if they don't act on splitting Jamie and Britt soon they'll lose the momentum. Britt being jealous of Jamie's title and popularity is an easy story. Idk, crowds are going nuts for the both of them. I feel like when the turn happens, the heats gonna be MASSIVE because they've built up a dynamic together and the crowds are buying in, especially now that Jamie is champion. That's true, but all it takes is for somebody else to catch on (Ruby and newly heel Shida for example) and Jamie and Britt would go on the back burner. They haven't even teased dissension betwen Britt and Jamie for ages. I think Tony needs to either start the breakup story, or turn them both officially face and let people cheer them.
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Post by Fade on Jan 16, 2023 13:43:42 GMT -5
I'm worried if they don't act on splitting Jamie and Britt soon they'll lose the momentum. Britt being jealous of Jamie's title and popularity is an easy story. Idk, crowds are going nuts for the both of them. I feel like when the turn happens, the heats gonna be MASSIVE because they've built up a dynamic together and the crowds are buying in, especially now that Jamie is champion. Agreed. I actually had the thought watching the match on Dynamite that the turn should cause Hayter the title, whenever it happens.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 16, 2023 13:50:56 GMT -5
I feel like dragging out this same story beat knowing how volatile and changeable the wrestling world is and that a stray injury or contract change can push it even further down the line is a bad sign after we saw how much Wardlow/MJF ended up being a wet fart.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 16, 2023 13:57:54 GMT -5
I feel like dragging out this same story beat knowing how volatile and changeable the wrestling world is and that a stray injury or contract change can push it even further down the line is a bad sign after we saw how much Wardlow/MJF ended up being a wet fart. They'll probably just continue to drag it out if something does complicate it given the, "What, the plan we had for Jade to lose the belt got hurt? F*** it, keep the belt on her for five more months and counting," shit.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 16, 2023 14:12:48 GMT -5
I'm worried if they don't act on splitting Jamie and Britt soon they'll lose the momentum. Britt being jealous of Jamie's title and popularity is an easy story. I think they put a stop to the split when they got Saraya, but in fairness to AEW they've made sure they kept the focus in ring more on Jamie. I'm sure they'll do the turn eventually but I think they've still done right by Jamie.
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Post by darbus alan on Jan 16, 2023 14:20:13 GMT -5
If anything I think there's more momentum now to turn both Jamie and Britt face and Saraya heel. Not sure where that'd leave Toni and Shida though.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 16, 2023 14:21:23 GMT -5
I think Britt/Jamie as faces defending AEW is a great angle and can organically delay the turn. Britt/Jamie is still a PPV calibre main event in my view but I'm okay holding off if there's a good reason for it.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 16, 2023 14:42:31 GMT -5
I think Britt/Jamie as faces defending AEW is a great angle and can organically delay the turn. Britt/Jamie is still a PPV calibre main event in my view but I'm okay holding off if there's a good reason for it. I’m down for an originals vs. outsiders storyline for the women.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jan 16, 2023 16:19:58 GMT -5
If anything I think there's more momentum now to turn both Jamie and Britt face and Saraya heel. Not sure where that'd leave Toni and Shida though. Thunder Rosa will also be returning in February, so it'll be interesting to see where she fits in with the other women considering how much change has happened since she's been gone.
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Post by XIII on Jan 16, 2023 16:30:26 GMT -5
If anything I think there's more momentum now to turn both Jamie and Britt face and Saraya heel. Not sure where that'd leave Toni and Shida though. Thunder Rosa will also be returning in February, so it'll be interesting to see where she fits in with the other women considering how much change has happened since she's been gone. There’s also still the possibility of Sasha actually showing up in February. So whatever they’re going to do they should probably do it sooner rather than later before things get insane in the brain.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 16, 2023 16:36:46 GMT -5
AEW are so bad at booking the women's division so much of the time There was a great women's tag team match this week and Jamie Hayter out popped Saraya, Britt and Toni Storm, and all any of us can talk about is how badly built that tag match was While I would agree that the booking can be bad I would say Hayter being more over then all of those names is a big feather in their cap considering she was a virtual unknown just a few years ago. Granted I think her ability has more to do with that but to their credit at least they went with it and elevated her by putting the belt on her. If she was in WWE they probably would've just had her job to Bianca or Charlotte or Becky and then that would've been that and she would just be spinning her wheels in the midcard. While AEW even they though imo they've missed the boat not turning her face by now they at least continued to push her up the card even after she lost Thunder Rosa although it would've been interesting to see if she would've still got the belt by now if Thunder didn't get injured.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 16, 2023 18:26:32 GMT -5
AEW are so bad at booking the women's division so much of the time There was a great women's tag team match this week and Jamie Hayter out popped Saraya, Britt and Toni Storm, and all any of us can talk about is how badly built that tag match was While I would agree that the booking can be bad I would say Hayter being more over then all of those names is a big feather in their cap considering she was a virtual unknown just a few years ago. Granted I think her ability has more to do with that but to their credit at least they went with it and elevated her by putting the belt on her. If she was in WWE they probably would've just had her job to Bianca or Charlotte or Becky and then that would've been that and she would just be spinning her wheels in the midcard. While AEW even they though imo they've missed the boat not turning her face by now they at least continued to push her up the card even after she lost Thunder Rosa although it would've been interesting to see if she would've still got the belt by now if Thunder didn't get injured. I absolutely agree, I have been a fan of Jamie since the indies, I saw her live a bunch of times - I was there the night she first met Britt Baker. Her success is special to me. But despite her being over as hell, it still feels like she isn't being used right. She is a great worker but her promos are where she really shines and she spends most of her time sharing her interview time with Britt and not getting much chance to really develop any real character Well shit, I just understood the Daniel Bryan thing everyone is complaining about
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 16, 2023 19:00:35 GMT -5
While I would agree that the booking can be bad I would say Hayter being more over then all of those names is a big feather in their cap considering she was a virtual unknown just a few years ago. Granted I think her ability has more to do with that but to their credit at least they went with it and elevated her by putting the belt on her. If she was in WWE they probably would've just had her job to Bianca or Charlotte or Becky and then that would've been that and she would just be spinning her wheels in the midcard. While AEW even they though imo they've missed the boat not turning her face by now they at least continued to push her up the card even after she lost Thunder Rosa although it would've been interesting to see if she would've still got the belt by now if Thunder didn't get injured. I absolutely agree, I have been a fan of Jamie since the indies, I saw her live a bunch of times - I was there the night she first met Britt Baker. Her success is special to me. But despite her being over as hell, it still feels like she isn't being used right. She is a great worker but her promos are where she really shines and she spends most of her time sharing her interview time with Britt and not getting much chance to really develop any real character Well shit, I just understood the Daniel Bryan thing everyone is complaining about Character development is a big weakness for AEW in general. And even when they do something effective with that it often never leads to anything due to how ridiculously slow they are about paying things off. Like with Hayter for example I remember even early on she wouldn't play along with the "D.M.D" bit in interviews as she would just stand there with her arms crossed while only Britt and Rebel would do it. Which is good character work in that it stayed true to her character as the bad ass muscle of the trio. Granted it was too early for them split at that point but we're now about a year and a half into their alliance and it still hasn't advanced. Yeah sure they've teased a split like three different times but it ends up either just not going anywhere or ends up being a swerve and they end up back together. It's good not to hot shot things but at the same time they go way too far the other direction in that they strike long after the iron is hot. With Hayter and Britt I think they should've split around last summer which would've been about a year after they first aligned. Not rushed but not drug out too long either in that it would've been the best time to capitalize on the fans getting behind Jamie. Instead with how things are going when or if they split Britt is likely the one who is going to benefit more from it and she doesn't need it at all as she's been the most featured woman on the roster since AEW's inception.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 17, 2023 12:07:33 GMT -5
I absolutely agree, I have been a fan of Jamie since the indies, I saw her live a bunch of times - I was there the night she first met Britt Baker. Her success is special to me. But despite her being over as hell, it still feels like she isn't being used right. She is a great worker but her promos are where she really shines and she spends most of her time sharing her interview time with Britt and not getting much chance to really develop any real character Well shit, I just understood the Daniel Bryan thing everyone is complaining about Character development is a big weakness for AEW in general. And even when they do something effective with that it often never leads to anything due to how ridiculously slow they are about paying things off. Like with Hayter for example I remember even early on she wouldn't play along with the "D.M.D" bit in interviews as she would just stand there with her arms crossed while only Britt and Rebel would do it. Which is good character work in that it stayed true to her character as the bad ass muscle of the trio. Granted it was too early for them split at that point but we're now about a year and a half into their alliance and it still hasn't advanced. Yeah sure they've teased a split like three different times but it ends up either just not going anywhere or ends up being a swerve and they end up back together. It's good not to hot shot things but at the same time they go way too far the other direction in that they strike long after the iron is hot. With Hayter and Britt I think they should've split around last summer which would've been about a year after they first aligned. Not rushed but not drug out too long either in that it would've been the best time to capitalize on the fans getting behind Jamie. Instead with how things are going when or if they split Britt is likely the one who is going to benefit more from it and she doesn't need it at all as she's been the most featured woman on the roster since AEW's inception. All Out was the best time to do the split. Grand Slam was the second best time to do the split. That was a while ago. I'm a big fan of Britt (though sometimes it's hard to tell with how critical I am of her booking) but Jamie being with Britt as a heel champion that people cheer isn't doing her any favours
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 17, 2023 12:10:03 GMT -5
In general I don't really get why Hayter is so over? Guess there's just a certain intangibility to it, but as far as what actually makes it onscreen I feel like they've done little in the way of giving her any particular character and while she can certainly go in the ring so can a lot of people. Not really saying there's a problem with her being super over but more that I don't really understand how exactly it happened.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jan 17, 2023 12:34:03 GMT -5
In general I don't really get why Hayter is so over? Guess there's just a certain intangibility to it, but as far as what actually makes it onscreen I feel like they've done little in the way of giving her any particular character and while she can certainly go in the ring so can a lot of people. Not really saying there's a problem with her being super over but more that I don't really understand how exactly it happened. I'm a fan and I'm in the same boat. She's great in the ring, really buff, and hangs around Britt Baker, and...that's kinda it? I trust Gizzark's evaluation that she's a great promo on her own, both because I trust Gizzark's opinion and because I've seen no evidence to the contrary, but I honestly have a hard time telling you anything about Hayter in AEW besides how jacked she is. Even Leyla Hirsch, who was also defined disproportionately by her body shape, was at least developing this cocky little wiseass aspect before she went on the shelf.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Jan 17, 2023 12:36:27 GMT -5
People love an ass-kickin', muscle-flexin' lady hoss with a club banger theme song!
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