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Post by pinja on Jan 17, 2023 13:08:59 GMT -5
Jamie may not have a character, but she has character. She should inherit Batista's power to fuel monthly photoshop threads with goofy faces.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 17, 2023 13:12:46 GMT -5
I think she rocks and she's knocked it out of the park. I also think part of it might have been her being paired with Britt at a time when people were getting tired of Britt. I think Britt fatigue helped put eyes on her, people going "why are they so focused on Britt when Jamie is so good?"
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Post by pinja on Jan 17, 2023 13:22:11 GMT -5
I think she rocks and she's knocked it out of the park. I also think part of it might have been her being paired with Britt at a time when people were getting tired of Britt. I think Britt fatigue helped put eyes on her, people going "why are they so focused on Britt when Jamie is so good?" This should be Jamie whenever Britt talks next to her:
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Post by darbus alan on Jan 17, 2023 13:29:08 GMT -5
Jamie has that intangible "it" factor to her.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 17, 2023 16:34:20 GMT -5
In general I don't really get why Hayter is so over? Guess there's just a certain intangibility to it, but as far as what actually makes it onscreen I feel like they've done little in the way of giving her any particular character and while she can certainly go in the ring so can a lot of people. Not really saying there's a problem with her being super over but more that I don't really understand how exactly it happened. I think a lot of it might be her bumping ability. I think she might be the best bumping women's wrestler I've ever seen. So that's one thing that I think sets her apart from the other women who can go and with AEW having a big hardcore type fanbase I can see them appreciating that. Another reason could be that she's not a chosen one like Britt or Jade or Thunder. When they hired her I doubt they really had any big plans for her. I definitely don't think she was someone they had mind to make champion in less then two years. I think they just thought would be a decent hand on the roster who could work as a henchwoman for Britt and that's probably about it. It's always more fun to rally behind someone doesn't have the full backing of the company as apposed to someone who does and is going to have an easier path to success. However as a character there's really nothing there and for someone who is your champion there's no way that should be a problem. All that's really known about her is that she's British, she's very strong, and that for some reason she has a strong loyalty to Britt Baker. I think the last one is an easy way to give her some depth if they would ever go deeper into it. I know in shoot interviews Britt has said that they have been good friends IRL for a while and that she convinced Tony Khan to hire Jamie. Maybe they have and I missed but I think actually mentioning that on air during the periods they were having dissension would've been a good idea in that it would explain why Jamie always sticks with Britt and puts up with her.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 17, 2023 17:04:33 GMT -5
I feel the discussion about why someone is over if you don’t get it is weird because a) nothing anyone can say can really convince you about it because it’s your view and b) it’s pro wrestling. Some things just click with people easier than others and Hayer’s put in the effort and people are recognizing it.
We live in a business where one of the most over characters ever was a dude who dressed in black and talked about “Digging holes and taking souls”. These things just happen.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jan 17, 2023 17:36:18 GMT -5
I feel the discussion about why someone is over if you don’t get it is weird because a) nothing anyone can say can really convince you about it because it’s your view and b) it’s pro wrestling. Some things just click with people easier than others and Hayer’s put in the effort and people are recognizing it. We live in a business where one of the most over characters ever was a dude who dressed in black and talked about “Digging holes and taking souls”. These things just happen. For me, it's a certain amount of curiosity, because Hayter seems to be over in ways that don't click with my usual assumptions and observations. I feel like I can usually point to XYZ things and say, "Yup, that's why," but Hayter seems like a case where everyone just happens to agree that she's great. And like. Same! But the incongruity is interesting.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 17, 2023 17:40:08 GMT -5
I feel the discussion about why someone is over if you don’t get it is weird because a) nothing anyone can say can really convince you about it because it’s your view and b) it’s pro wrestling. Some things just click with people easier than others and Hayer’s put in the effort and people are recognizing it. We live in a business where one of the most over characters ever was a dude who dressed in black and talked about “Digging holes and taking souls”. These things just happen. For me, it's a certain amount of curiosity, because Hayter seems to be over in ways that don't click with my usual assumptions and observations. I feel like I can usually point to XYZ things and say, "Yup, that's why," but Hayter seems like a case where everyone just happens to agree that she's great. And like. Same! But the incongruity is interesting. Like, no judgment on it, it’s just more that pro wrestling isn’t one of those things you can easily determine and micromanage like movies and TV shows can be. You can’t test screen a gimmick to make it work for everyone, you just put someone out there and hope for the best. If it works for you, great, if it doesn’t, that’s fine too.
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Post by salz4life on Jan 17, 2023 17:44:13 GMT -5
I watched Hayter's debut a few days ago.... she seems like a totally different person. Not that she was bad before, but she looks like a star in the making now.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 17, 2023 17:49:45 GMT -5
I feel the discussion about why someone is over if you don’t get it is weird because a) nothing anyone can say can really convince you about it because it’s your view and b) it’s pro wrestling. Some things just click with people easier than others and Hayer’s put in the effort and people are recognizing it. We live in a business where one of the most over characters ever was a dude who dressed in black and talked about “Digging holes and taking souls”. These things just happen. And The biggest merch seller in AEW is demonic Conan O'Brien
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 17, 2023 17:52:36 GMT -5
I feel the discussion about why someone is over if you don’t get it is weird because a) nothing anyone can say can really convince you about it because it’s your view and b) it’s pro wrestling. Some things just click with people easier than others and Hayer’s put in the effort and people are recognizing it. We live in a business where one of the most over characters ever was a dude who dressed in black and talked about “Digging holes and taking souls”. These things just happen. And The biggest merch seller in AEW is demonic Conan O'Brien Whose wrestled about as many matches as the combined total of Shaq, Action Bronson, Stephen Amell, Bad Bunny and Logan Paul’s matches.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jan 17, 2023 18:07:28 GMT -5
I watched Hayter's debut a few days ago.... she seems like a totally different person. Not that she was bad before, but she looks like a star in the making now. Hayter should bring back the wet willy:
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 17, 2023 20:26:08 GMT -5
I feel the discussion about why someone is over if you don’t get it is weird because a) nothing anyone can say can really convince you about it because it’s your view and b) it’s pro wrestling. Some things just click with people easier than others and Hayer’s put in the effort and people are recognizing it. We live in a business where one of the most over characters ever was a dude who dressed in black and talked about “Digging holes and taking souls”. These things just happen. It's not unworthy of discussion tho Sometimes you bring up viewpoints other people haven't noticed and that could possibly play into you buying into them as well. Just because you don't see why they are over now don't mean you won't come around to it If someone says "sell me on X" and then add dismissals on every turn then I think that is different
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 17, 2023 20:58:18 GMT -5
Hayter definitely has that undefinable "it" factor, but she also manages to make everything she does look really legit and like it hurts. A lot of the women wrestlers (especially in AEW) are a little greener and work a little lighter because of it, but Jamie just comes into the ring and makes it look like she wrecks people. Crowds always love a badass wrecking people and it stands out more with her because the other women don't do it as much. They've started to and most noticeably in matches against her.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 18, 2023 4:39:16 GMT -5
I feel the discussion about why someone is over if you don’t get it is weird because a) nothing anyone can say can really convince you about it because it’s your view and b) it’s pro wrestling. Some things just click with people easier than others and Hayer’s put in the effort and people are recognizing it. We live in a business where one of the most over characters ever was a dude who dressed in black and talked about “Digging holes and taking souls”. These things just happen. It's not unworthy of discussion tho Sometimes you bring up viewpoints other people haven't noticed and that could possibly play into you buying into them as well. Just because you don't see why they are over now don't mean you won't come around to it If someone says "sell me on X" and then add dismissals on every turn then I think that is different Like I said before, I get that and I respect it, it’s just a really broad thing where as a mod, I notice way more of the last part than anyone doing the first part. That might seem unfair but I can at least accept people here asking are doing it in good faith. I hope. 😋
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 18, 2023 7:21:12 GMT -5
Hayter definitely has that undefinable "it" factor, but she also manages to make everything she does look really legit and like it hurts. A lot of the women wrestlers (especially in AEW) are a little greener and work a little lighter because of it, but Jamie just comes into the ring and makes it look like she wrecks people. Crowds always love a badass wrecking people and it stands out more with her because the other women don't do it as much. They've started to and most noticeably in matches against her. Yeah, honestly, that's kind of what her character is; there's a reason they're calling their team "The Killer and the Pillar". Fans will gravitate towards a wrestler who says they'll beat the shit out of someone and backs it up, and Jaime's ring style is incredibly effective for that since she gives and takes offense in the ring that makes it look like she's murdering or being murdered; given that AEW's women's roster has long had a lot of less experienced talent in it (clearly something that's been addressed pretty thoroughly over the last year) it helped her to stand out as someone who works a crisper, but also harder hitting kind of match. Add in that she's a very attractive woman who carries herself with a ton of confidence, plus that she was someone who's an "original" who fans could feel like they got over instead of needing to wait for the company to come around to push her further first, and yeah, fans will take a liking to that. I did think there was a bit more to be gained from diving into the whole "she and Toni were pandemic roommates, but now Jaime is tight with Britt" story; play up that Hayter let her pursuit of fame and fortune get in the way of her friendships, that she gravitated to Britt initially because that's where the money was in the AEW women's division. But then, the crowd cheering Jaime likely made using that as fuel a bit tougher; I suppose there's some babyface vibes if you play up her feeling left behind by Toni and turning that into motivation to claw her way to the top, but it'd still be coming from a place of bitterness for her character, so it's hard to say. Either way, "badass who says she'll win then hits harder than everyone else to do so" is working for her right now, so no need to screw with what's effective, but I do wonder how that might've unfolded a little differently if the crowd hadn't really forced them to pull the trigger on getting the belt to her ASAP.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Jan 18, 2023 22:07:01 GMT -5
Saraya's now my kayfabe least favorite person in AEW. She's been a terrible influence on my girl Toni. f*** YOU, SARAYA!
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 18, 2023 22:26:20 GMT -5
That felt rushed.
Less so with Saraya.
But Toni went from 0-100 in like a week out of nowhere. They NEED to let her have a good explanation because this was rushed.
Also if they turn Ruby after that street fight, that will be dumb.
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Post by markymark on Jan 18, 2023 22:43:02 GMT -5
The easiest explanation for Toni is the good old "You people chose Jamie and Britt over me, the one who was carrying the division since Thunder Rosa got injured and this is the reception I deserve? Screw you".
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Post by Fade on Jan 18, 2023 22:53:20 GMT -5
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