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Post by fg on Jan 4, 2023 22:50:14 GMT -5
Is there anyone who can say a nice thing about Shawn from the 90s? Shawn mentioned a bunch of nice things about himself I think from his autobiography From Heartbreak To Triumph. I think he did because one reviewer said that Shawn painted himself in a great picture during that time and his detractors were jealous. This is from a book that was made POST 2002.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 4, 2023 22:53:26 GMT -5
Is there anyone who can say a nice thing about Shawn from the 90s? Shawn mentioned a bunch of nice things about himself I think from his autobiography From Heartbreak To Triumph. I think he did because one reviewer said that Shawn painted himself in a great picture during that time and his detractors were jealous. This is from a book that was made POST 2002. that might just be how Shawn views a lot of the stuff... since he was high off his ass and probably doesn't really remember much. Though he does mention he was an asshole too.. so who knows.
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Post by XIII on Jan 4, 2023 23:01:59 GMT -5
Just doing some quick searching on cagematch and I can only find two HBK/Shamrock matches and 0 HBK/Farooq matches. ie, dudes that probably weren’t going to put up with his shit. lol
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Post by jason1980s on Jan 4, 2023 23:34:44 GMT -5
I don't think Vince sang the 1997 music CD theme song. Vince sang Stand Back and the Shawn song is a totally different voice even if it was being sang in a rougher way and Vince was trying to disguise, it's not him. It's like the Savage/Steph rumor. It's probably been around since 97.
JR's time in talent relations is probably one big regret after all these years. From Shawn to Flair and many in between, he's had to live with working in a field where if he reprimands a guy-he is the bad guy to the locker room, he's probably the one being brought up on charges in wrestler's court. He's had to live with a job where he had to allow adults to act like children and behave more poorly than actual children do. Dark Side may edit things to make things more interesting for a show but JR said what he said about Flair and was spot on. You can't edit the truth.
I'd be interested to read/hear JR speaking more about his time in talent relations. I'd hope he would be honest but I tend to believe he'd be selective about who he told stories about. He won't tell bad stories about the hosses or guys who resemble a football player or a line coach (see his defense of Bill Demott). LOL.
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Post by The Blue Nova on Jan 4, 2023 23:54:43 GMT -5
The fact Mick foley is the only person in 1997 who got along with shawn when shawn was at his worst says how nice of a guy foley is as a person
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 5, 2023 3:03:17 GMT -5
At any other time and place in wrestling history outside of down years 90s WWF Shawn would probably be getting his ass whooped daily. Imagine Brock being around and Shawn pulling some shit. LMAO Exactly. He wouldn’t have tried it anywhere else because it wasn’t tolerated. Imagine it with ole Anderson or that ilk of surly mean spirited guys. Didn’t the Harris twins rough him up their last night in wwf ? The Harris twins are among a small number of people that are actually worse folks than Shawn on the 90s roster, they just luckily had no power
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 3:09:18 GMT -5
Shawn is such an interesting case to me...Always in peoples upper echelon...some even saying best ever but he never had particularly long runs with the WWE title or memorable ones. His second in ring stint is arguably better than his first and again he was focused on the World Heavyweight. I've just always felt like Michaels' overall importance is romanticized due to all of the outlandishness that surrounded it.
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Post by The Gallus Mark on Jan 5, 2023 5:46:07 GMT -5
Exactly. He wouldn’t have tried it anywhere else because it wasn’t tolerated. Imagine it with ole Anderson or that ilk of surly mean spirited guys. Didn’t the Harris twins rough him up their last night in wwf ? The Harris twins are among a small number of people that are actually worse folks than Shawn on the 90s roster, they just luckily had no power You mean the guys with the SS tattoos were bad fellas? No way
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 5, 2023 5:54:03 GMT -5
There's always a lot of talk about Bret and especially Shawn not being stars or draws but I dread to think what the WWF and wrestling as a whole would be without them. The reason WWF even hung by a thread before Austin was because of them. Not only that, Shawn proved he was a star and a draw in his second run.
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Post by eJm on Jan 5, 2023 5:58:21 GMT -5
There's always a lot of talk about Bret and especially Shawn not bring stars or draws but I dread to think what the WWF and wrestling as a whole would be without them. The reason WWF even hung by a thread before Austin was because of them. Not only that, Shawn proved he was a star and a draw in his second run. And Bret was basically the reason the company had any international success at the time. If he wasn't there, I don't think the hunger from places like the UK and Germany would have helped them through the more successful periods.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 5, 2023 6:35:32 GMT -5
The Harris twins are among a small number of people that are actually worse folks than Shawn on the 90s roster, they just luckily had no power You mean the guys with the SS tattoos were bad fellas? No way Exactly my point! 90s Shawn is a terrible terrible person, he may even have been a massive racist and I just don't know about it. But there is 90s Shawn... and there is being a Nazi
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 5, 2023 9:30:00 GMT -5
I can't imagine working talent relations in the 90s.
I'd have kept Marlboro in business by myself doing that job.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 5, 2023 9:35:08 GMT -5
Shawn's a bully, so he would never have gone after someone like Brock who would fold him into a Rubik's Cube.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 5, 2023 9:38:05 GMT -5
It always made me laugh after All Out when folks would say "man could you imagine Vince just letting talent pull this shit?" and I was like - yes. Absolutely. He did do that. Many times.
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Post by tafkaga on Jan 5, 2023 9:43:05 GMT -5
Shawn is such an interesting case to me...Always in peoples upper echelon...some even saying best ever but he never had particularly long runs with the WWE title or memorable ones. His second in ring stint is arguably better than his first and again he was focused on the World Heavyweight. I've just always felt like Michaels' overall importance is romanticized due to all of the outlandishness that surrounded it. I would put Shawn in the same category as Roddy Piper. In his era, there was no better foil for whoever the top babyface happened to be, but he was never equipped to be the top guy. He could be the Joker like nobody else, but he could never be Batman no matter how hard they tried, but that doesn't make him a lesser character than Batman. I don't think you can rate talent or overall greatness by quantity, length, or quality of title reigns because, after all, pro wrestling is not a competitive sport.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 12:45:52 GMT -5
Shawn is such an interesting case to me...Always in peoples upper echelon...some even saying best ever but he never had particularly long runs with the WWE title or memorable ones. His second in ring stint is arguably better than his first and again he was focused on the World Heavyweight. I've just always felt like Michaels' overall importance is romanticized due to all of the outlandishness that surrounded it. I would put Shawn in the same category as Roddy Piper. In his era, there was no better foil for whoever the top babyface happened to be, but he was never equipped to be the top guy. He could be the Joker like nobody else, but he could never be Batman no matter how hard they tried, but that doesn't make him a lesser character than Batman. I don't think you can rate talent or overall greatness by quantity, length, or quality of title reigns because, after all, pro wrestling is not a competitive sport. I am actually of the opposite belief and believe that wrestling is competitive even if it isn't a sport. Individuals for the most part are not usually just handed their spot unless of specific circumstances and Shawn had alot of people holding his head up. I believe stating that it is not competitive actually does a disservice to the people that have grinded and accomplished what they have.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 5, 2023 13:12:32 GMT -5
At any other time and place in wrestling history outside of down years 90s WWF Shawn would probably be getting his ass whooped daily. Imagine Brock being around and Shawn pulling some shit. LMAO Brock up and quit wrestling once because he couldn't handle the political BS backstage so it's doubtful he'd be any more likely to beat Shawn than Vader was. 'f*** this guy, Vince. If you want me when he's gone, I'll be on my farm in Minnesota.'
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 5, 2023 14:39:20 GMT -5
It always feels like that HBK push was Vince trying to be hip with the kids pre-Attitude.
Like he wanted someone with more edge than Bret, could carry strong main events and wasn’t a steroid risk, and was willing to look past Shawn’s personal struggles because he needed someone to generate *some* excitement for the shows while nWo-fueled WCW was kicking their ass and Bret was away being the family man.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jan 5, 2023 15:06:42 GMT -5
I know encouraging violence to solve a solution is frowned upon in polite society, and yet I feel like a lot of things in the WWF could have been resolved if Shawn Michaels got his ass routinely beaten.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 5, 2023 15:18:51 GMT -5
The fact Mick foley is the only person in 1997 who got along with shawn when shawn was at his worst says how nice of a guy foley is as a person Mick was sort of lucky in that, while he was a Bret guy, he also was good friends with Kevin Nash and genuinely wanted to put Triple H over, so neither faction had beef with him.
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