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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 19, 2023 12:04:28 GMT -5
I'll borrow the format since it works well:
The Motion Picture 2/10 This film was just....dumb and bad. There was a little world building but that's it.
The Wrath of Khan9/10 There are a few inconsistencies that detail-orientated people will pick up on that were a byproduct of just how disjointed production was. It's amazing that the film was so good despite being an utter trainwreck behind the scenes
The Search for Spock 6/10 This film was enjoyable enough. Christopher Lloyd doesn't do half-assed, so he truly threw himself into the role of a Klingon commander and set a precedence for all who followed him. Everyone after him had to consider his portrayal alongside the 3 Dahar masters from the original series. The first half of the movie was thoroughly enjoyable.
The Voyage Home 7/10 It got too campy to truly get a better rating from me. I do expect some camp from Star Trek as well as some humor, but I felt it missed something.
The Final Frontier 1/10 It was SSOOOOOO stupid, completely messed up lore as well as science (two things the most ardent Star Trek fans surely care nothing about), and was generally bad all around. There were a few character scenes worth rewatching as isolated clips, but you should never watch this one more than once in a lifetime.
The Undiscovered Country 9/10 This was a great film. Strong character driven moments as well as actual growth. The story and execution was fantastic too.
Generations 8/10 I quite enjoyed this one. I have nothing else to add.
First Contact 9/10 This was a very well done movie. I was at first a bit disturbed at the notion of a Borg Queen but it fit the lore and damn if the character was not a captivating villain.
I did not see the other two TNG movies. I thought about it, got busy, heard enough to reduce my interest, and never got around to it.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Jan 19, 2023 14:20:07 GMT -5
without the motion picture ... well, there wouldn't BE a star trek! sure it's slow, but it's patient and beautiful
WoK is always set as "the quintessential" movie, only because it's the only one connected to TOS ... oh yeah is a bloody awesome actioner too, fantastic characters ... horror ... and the start of the unofficial trilogy! AND THAT ENDING!!!
SfS is glorious, so personal, they all act their literal socks off ... and prices to pay ...
tVH keeps the seriousness, get's silly and has loads of fun, and has "a message" too
tFF is the silliest one, and the furthest away from the movies, but is more like "the quintessential" movie from TOS! sybok is illuminating, the crew have more fun than the other movies combined, and yes THAT question ...
tUC is supreme, political, exciting and incredible! and with chang we have a character that could go very far in the kelvin timeline ... but this is deadpan in it's subject matter! an INCREDIBLE movie!
TNGgenerations i saw in the cinema ... and nearly jumped out my bloody seat right at the start!!! anyway fantastic entrance to the TNG crew, adding some BRUTAL reality, their straight forwardness ... and data being HILARIOUS! but it's the big hitters that have most to chew on, with malcolm mcdowell as well as shatner, taking on a pretty dense story ... and the enterprise-d get's a PASTING!!! superb and invigorating
TNGfirstcontact is just superb and bloody minded, full on borg annoyance ahoy, with action and pathos ... and one HELL of a picard rant!!! excellent action sequences, drunkiness, and world saving ... what's not to like!
TNGinsurrection is what everyone says it is, a full length episode of the next generation, an alright story, and lets face it ... some more mythic tropes that tenet copied! good for the completests
TNGnemesis is the interesting one, got this on 2disk dvd, and really enjoyed it, been a long time since i did though ... AND that ending ...
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Post by ace on Jan 20, 2023 2:17:33 GMT -5
Nemesis straight up stole their ending from one of Shatner’s ego fueled Kirk novels from the 90s. Replace Data with Kirk and it’s the same ending. Because it’s Shatner this was post Generations and Kirk was back…and his sacrifice is undone and he’s resurrected a second time the next book.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jan 20, 2023 2:39:21 GMT -5
First Contact is great too. Peak of TNG mania at the time, great score, endlessly quotable. This reminds me of why I have such a soft spot for Generations. It was the height of Trek's popularity within pop culture. You had multiple Star Trek's on TV, the TOS crew bowing out of the movies on a high note and the TNG crew taking over, books, games, etc. The hype was real.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jan 20, 2023 2:45:43 GMT -5
What did God need with a starship?
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Post by ace on Jan 20, 2023 2:51:06 GMT -5
Star Trek V is the dirt worst except for DeForest Kelley. He’s given some meat to work with and says screw it…this is the best material I’ve ever gotten I don’t care how bad this movie is I’m gonna feast today.
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Post by schma on Jan 20, 2023 3:16:55 GMT -5
Wasn't the original intended ending for V supposed to be quite different but there were issues with the budget or something?
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Post by thechase on Jan 20, 2023 3:41:53 GMT -5
Wasn't the original intended ending for V supposed to be quite different but there were issues with the budget or something? Yeah, there were supposed to a molten rock creature, the true form of 'God', but it looked terrible
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 20, 2023 9:55:14 GMT -5
Wasn't the original intended ending for V supposed to be quite different but there were issues with the budget or something? Yeah, there were supposed to a molten rock creature, the true form of 'God', but it looked terrible Honestly, it looked like something directly from an episode of TOS.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jan 20, 2023 12:17:40 GMT -5
I’m kind of sad that Star Trek IV isn’t as well liked these days, because that’s probably my all time favorite Trek movie. While II and VI are probably better films, I will always love IV the most.
I’d say the trilogy of II/III/IV is pretty much top notch and if you add VI to it, thats like the perfect Sunday afternoon movie marathon.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 20, 2023 12:47:55 GMT -5
without the motion picture ... well, there wouldn't BE a star trek! sure it's slow, but it's patient and beautiful It was critically panned at the time, too. But people were so desperate for anything new Star Trek that it was a massive financial success in spite of that. But yeah, I don't think it's any coincidence that Gene Roddenberry being cut out of the creative process entirely after constantly running interference with TMP led to significantly better movies after.
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Post by ace on Jan 20, 2023 13:02:03 GMT -5
The fascinating thing about the first movie is that they hired a legit acclaimed filmmaker to direct it. Robert Wise directed West Side Story, The Sound of Music, The Day the Earth Stood Still and The Haunting. He edited Citizen Kane!
He was a multi time Oscar winning Hollywood royalty.
They wanted him to turn the tv look into a big screen spectacle and he did it. It just couldn’t retain the charm of the show on that scope. Later movies are exactly like what you would expect a big screen version of the show to look and feel like. The first one is a completely different thing…which, although ponderous and boring, at least makes it stand out.
It’s also not an accident that after seeing what a “big screen Hollywood vision” of Star Trek would look like the next movie was a direct sequel to a tv episode and not so much following in the footsteps of that movie.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 20, 2023 13:05:27 GMT -5
The History Channel had a really good miniseries about Star Trek made for the 50th anniversary. The part about the making of TMP was really fascinating. The head screenwriter really f***ing hated Roddenberry lmao.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 20, 2023 13:09:27 GMT -5
The head screenwriter really f***ing hated Roddenberry lmao. I mean, most people who spent any great amount of time around him found Roddenberry insufferable, so that's not exactly a surprise.
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Post by schma on Jan 20, 2023 14:30:50 GMT -5
I will always credit Roddenberry for giving us Star Trek but TNG was much better once he was out of the picture. Many of my least favourite episodes are in the first half of the first season. Several of them have Picard standing in for Roddenberry's old man on a soapbox.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 20, 2023 15:26:10 GMT -5
It's funny how often Star Trek was good in spite of its showrunners. Like the reason DS9 was so good was because of how little direct involvement Rick Berman had.
Like it tells you something that from the "reign of terror" that was Berman and Braga's tenure as showrunners, the Trek fandom has embraced Brannon Braga's humility about the things he admitted to doing poorly. He's a welcome figure back at cons and Trek fan events. Berman on the other hand? Persona non grata.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 20, 2023 17:20:54 GMT -5
Anyway, I'd rank my preference for the Trek movies as...
First Contact > Voyage Home > Wrath of Khan > Undiscovered Country > Search For Spock > 2009 > Generations > Beyond > Final Frontier > TMP > Nemesis > Into Darkness > Insurrection
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 20, 2023 18:01:33 GMT -5
Anyway, I'd rank my preference for the Trek movies as... First Contact > Voyage Home > Wrath of Khan > Undiscovered Country > Search For Spock > 2009 > Generations > Beyond > Final Frontier > TMP > Nemesis > Into Darkness > Insurrection First Contact > Undiscovered Country > Wrath of Khan > 2009 > Generations > Beyond > Into Darkness > Final Frontier > Insurrection > Search for Spock > Voyage Home > TMP > Nemesis
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 20, 2023 18:25:48 GMT -5
I will always credit Roddenberry for giving us Star Trek but TNG was much better once he was out of the picture. Many of my least favourite episodes are in the first half of the first season. Several of them have Picard standing in for Roddenberry's old man on a soapbox. Heck, one of the unspoken elements of even TOS is how many various writers contributed to the Trek mythos beyond Roddenberry; Gene L Coon, DC Fontana, Herb Solow, John Meredyth Lucas, John DF Black, etc. Coon especially was so critical early on that he's arguably as foundational to the Original Series as the Great Bird himself was.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 20, 2023 18:34:52 GMT -5
without the motion picture ... well, there wouldn't BE a star trek! sure it's slow, but it's patient and beautiful It was critically panned at the time, too. But people were so desperate for anything new Star Trek that it was a massive financial success in spite of that. But yeah, I don't think it's any coincidence that Gene Roddenberry being cut out of the creative process entirely after constantly running interference with TMP led to significantly better movies after. For that matter TNG also got vastly better the less he had to do with it.
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