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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 29, 2023 14:39:16 GMT -5
Sort of like getting out of an abusive relationship. He was gaslit into thinking they were his boys. Obviously Jey had love for him, I’m sure Jimmy and Solo actually saw it as a betrayal. Roman was blatantly using him and again it's the same shit as how the Usos got involved in the first place. Roman needed them, not the other way around. Yeah, as said Jey walking out seeing Sami stand up to Roman, something he never did after he fell in line is some really good storytelling. Jey was always walking around with big bitch energy trying to gain Roman approval but hated himself for doing so. Jimmy being the one to stick up for Sami in the first place and then being the first to strike him down was also really good
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Post by canceled4truth on Jan 29, 2023 14:40:30 GMT -5
Yeah at this point I think I'd have Cody beat Roman clean for the WWE Championship on night one and Sami beat him for the Universal Championship on night two after Jey finally turns on him. Roman can afford a loss and a half after 3 years of being booked like God and you give 3 guys their career peaks in one weekend. Honestly though I'm just here to enjoy the ride, there's a lot of ways I can see this going and the creative has done an excellent job this far.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 29, 2023 15:03:10 GMT -5
Yeah at this point I think I'd have Cody beat Roman clean for the WWE Championship on night one and Sami beat him for the Universal Championship on night two after Jey finally turns on him. Roman can afford a loss and a half after 3 years of being booked like God and you give 3 guys their career peaks in one weekend. Honestly though I'm just here to enjoy the ride, there's a lot of ways I can see this going and the creative has done an excellent job this far. I disagree, Roman should only wrestle once Mania weekend and he should definitively lose. Him wrestling and losing twice that weekend waters down both moments. Slaying the unbeatable monster doesn’t look as impressive when someone else already did it 24 hours earlier. Right now, I’m leaning towards Sami should beat Roman on night one and then Cody on night two before eventually losing the belt the Cody at SummerSlam but I’m sure my opinion will change on that.
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Jan 29, 2023 15:25:20 GMT -5
One of the best segments WWE has done in ages honestly. The dynamic between Sami and Jey is so interesting, with Jey being the only one to say anything to Sami and Sami looking to him for help during the beatdown before he bailed.
It may have been a slog to sit through on a week by week basis but it feels like these next 2 or 3 months are going to cement this as quite possibly the best overall storyline the company has ever done. Just phenomenal work by everyone.
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Post by canceled4truth on Jan 29, 2023 15:31:26 GMT -5
Yeah at this point I think I'd have Cody beat Roman clean for the WWE Championship on night one and Sami beat him for the Universal Championship on night two after Jey finally turns on him. Roman can afford a loss and a half after 3 years of being booked like God and you give 3 guys their career peaks in one weekend. Honestly though I'm just here to enjoy the ride, there's a lot of ways I can see this going and the creative has done an excellent job this far. I disagree, Roman should only wrestle once Mania weekend and he should definitively lose. Him wrestling and losing twice that weekend waters down both moments. Slaying the unbeatable monster doesn’t look as impressive when someone else already did it 24 hours earlier. Right now, I’m leaning towards Sami should beat Roman on night one and then Cody on night two before eventually losing the belt the Cody at SummerSlam but I’m sure my opinion will change on that. Imo the “rub” is only needed for the person who you’re trying to make the next “guy.” That’s Cody. With Sami you’re trying to resolve the storyline. Also you gotta break up the titles somehow IMO
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Post by thirteen3 on Jan 29, 2023 15:32:32 GMT -5
Could've used some blood for this. Would've really made it.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jan 29, 2023 15:33:58 GMT -5
I disagree, Roman should only wrestle once Mania weekend and he should definitively lose. Him wrestling and losing twice that weekend waters down both moments. Slaying the unbeatable monster doesn’t look as impressive when someone else already did it 24 hours earlier. Right now, I’m leaning towards Sami should beat Roman on night one and then Cody on night two before eventually losing the belt the Cody at SummerSlam but I’m sure my opinion will change on that. Imo the “rub” is only needed for the person who you’re trying to make the next “guy.” That’s Cody. With Sami you’re trying to resolve the storyline. Also you gotta break up the titles somehow IMO Cody can easily go on Raw the next night and say he’s gonna break the titles up and defend both of them separately to prove he’s a fighting champion and more honorable than Roman.
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Post by the2ndevil on Jan 29, 2023 15:35:11 GMT -5
I think that segment needed to be as long as it was. Why? For years, the fans have been holding up the 1’s and acting like they were part of the act. That the Bloodline were the good guys. We needed something as painful and as uncomfortable as that to realize that these guys are the bad guys. Sami and Jey weren’t just the ones gaslit. The fans were gaslit too. And for those wondering why Sami didn’t come out on top in that segment, his character isn’t just instantly going to become Stone Cold Steve Austin. He’ll get his, but last night wasn’t the night. This entire post is spot on. Amusingly, Grammarly deemed my post as assertive, which is symbolized by a finger pointing up.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 29, 2023 15:38:08 GMT -5
Cody has basically already said he doesn’t care about the Universal Title. He wants the WWE Title, the belt his father never won.
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Post by Perd on Jan 29, 2023 16:27:15 GMT -5
All things considered, I think it’s one of the best wrestling story lines, ever. Heck, it’s hard to pull off this type of long term, layered storytelling in any medium. But in wrestling, it’s damn near miraculous.
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Post by stevescorpio on Jan 29, 2023 18:09:04 GMT -5
I'm gonna be very disappointed if Sami doesn't get Roman at Mania. Him and KO vs the Usos has no appeal for me. Sami/Roman is the money match.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Jan 29, 2023 18:12:21 GMT -5
One Day Later analysis: Roman Reigns is such a good actor this dude is Pitch Perfect to the papers.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jan 29, 2023 18:22:10 GMT -5
I know that AEW doesn't really do these sorts of stories very often, but I think this is the first clear example of AEW style influencing WWE. This storyline is definitely influenced by the presentation of the Hangman Page arc - nothing else in recent WWE or HHH's NXT booking sticks out as remotely related to the Bloodline stuff. Character driven nuance in wrestling is so rarely a thing that it can't be unconnected imo
Also the glacial pace of storytelling as a tool to establish a "normal" is def an AEW thing too, which has here been grafted onto the tail end of Vincent's fetish for 9 trillion day title reigns
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 29, 2023 18:27:45 GMT -5
I know that AEW doesn't really do these sorts of stories very often, but I think this is the first clear example of AEW style influencing WWE. This storyline is definitely influenced by the presentation of the Hangman Page arc - nothing else in recent WWE or HHH's NXT booking sticks out as remotely related to the Bloodline stuff. Character driven nuance in wrestling is so rarely a thing that it can't be unconnected imo Yes and no HHH has been doing this since NXT. Ciampa/Gargano has been teased since the first CWC in 2016 and was NXT biggest feud in 2018. KO/Sami was based on character work in NXT. Sasha/Bayley, Black/Dream etc... Even on the main roster you had Roman and Jey doing this in 2020
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Post by ayumidah on Jan 29, 2023 18:34:51 GMT -5
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Post by knightboat on Jan 29, 2023 18:41:40 GMT -5
My opinion on whether Sami should get Roman at WrestleMania is the same as it has been for months. You have one of the best in ring performers who happens to be one of the best on the mic too. He's been the most over performer on the roster for months. He's in the best storyline in years with the undisputed world champion. I think it takes some massive overthinking to not have Sami win a world title.
Someone mentioned the fans a bit earlier. I tried to touch on it as well. Sami Zayn made the Bloodline the cool heels. The nWo heels that still get cheered. The second they turned on Sami they had legitimate heel heat. They were hated, despicable heels. All because of Sami Zayn.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jan 29, 2023 18:41:47 GMT -5
I know that AEW doesn't really do these sorts of stories very often, but I think this is the first clear example of AEW style influencing WWE. This storyline is definitely influenced by the presentation of the Hangman Page arc - nothing else in recent WWE or HHH's NXT booking sticks out as remotely related to the Bloodline stuff. Character driven nuance in wrestling is so rarely a thing that it can't be unconnected imo Yes and no HHH has been doing this since NXT. Ciampa/Gargano has been teased since the first CWC in 2016 and was NXT biggest feud in 2018. KO/Sami was based on character work in NXT. Sasha/Bayley, Black/Dream etc... Even on the main roster you had Roman and Jey doing this in 2020 I didn't see Black/Dream, but I def think of the DIY and initial KO/Zayn feuds as different to this Bloodline stuff. It's the complexity of how Roman/Jey/Sami have all had these competing motivations that led to this entirely logical rupture point. It's not as complex as the elite storyline was but this many different threads is something WWE has tried to shy away from for a long time
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Post by tirtefaa on Jan 29, 2023 18:53:26 GMT -5
While I feel this was good, I kind of had an idea of what I'd like to do.
So the story plays out normally with Sami being kind of a stooge for Roman, only for Roman to eventually beat him down so that Sami doesn't get the jump on him. You'd assume they'd start feuding?
Actually, Sami would come out during Roman's next title defense and assist him to victory, which would confuse Roman. Then on the next show, Sami would come out and beg for forgiveness for whatever caused Roman to beat him down. Roman feeling that he has absolute control over Sami, agrees and abuses Sami to do his bidding.
Fast forward to the Rumble, and there is a stipulation that if Roman wins the Rumble, he won't have to defend his titles at WrestleMania. He goes to his lackeys and forms a plan to win it. There are several moments in the Rumble where Roman is about to get eliminated, only for Sami to come to his aid. Eventually, the Rumble comes down to just Sami and Roman. Roman tells Sami to eliminate himself, which Sami obliges.
As Roman is celebrating, Sami hits the ring again and attacks Roman, beating him down and then throws him over the top rope. A replay shows that when Sami left the ring, both feet did not hit the floor. At that point, you now set up things for Mania.
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Post by "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat on Jan 29, 2023 19:01:25 GMT -5
Yeah at this point I think I'd have Cody beat Roman clean for the WWE Championship on night one and Sami beat him for the Universal Championship on night two after Jey finally turns on him. Roman can afford a loss and a half after 3 years of being booked like God and you give 3 guys their career peaks in one weekend. Honestly though I'm just here to enjoy the ride, there's a lot of ways I can see this going and the creative has done an excellent job this far. I disagree, Roman should only wrestle once Mania weekend and he should definitively lose. Him wrestling and losing twice that weekend waters down both moments. Slaying the unbeatable monster doesn’t look as impressive when someone else already did it 24 hours earlier. Right now, I’m leaning towards Sami should beat Roman on night one and then Cody on night two before eventually losing the belt the Cody at SummerSlam but I’m sure my opinion will change on that. I said earlier in the thread, and after reading more posts (in my opinion) the best way would be Cody winning night 1 with a hard fought, Cody style epic where at the end Roman gets all wide eyed and you seen the cracks in his psyche starting to turn into craters. At some point during night 2 there is a backstage segment where Roman is clutching his remaining title, pacing back and forth, not his usual cool self and he has a shouting match with the Uso’s with both walking out but Jey being the one more obviously irritated. Come night 2 main event Jey costs Roman the match against Sami, Roman goes after Jey giving Sami and KO their Eddie Guerrero/{REDACTED] moment to close the show. That way you have Cody as WWE Champion, Sami as Universal Champion, a white hot Roman vs Jey feud in front of the fans this time, and basically a whole new landscape for WWE to build upon. Also, all of the World Title feuds will be fresh, and the longer Sami holds the title, the more epic the inevitable Roman rematch will be.
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Post by sfvega on Jan 29, 2023 19:13:54 GMT -5
Yeah at this point I think I'd have Cody beat Roman clean for the WWE Championship on night one and Sami beat him for the Universal Championship on night two after Jey finally turns on him. Roman can afford a loss and a half after 3 years of being booked like God and you give 3 guys their career peaks in one weekend. Honestly though I'm just here to enjoy the ride, there's a lot of ways I can see this going and the creative has done an excellent job this far. I disagree, Roman should only wrestle once Mania weekend and he should definitively lose. Him wrestling and losing twice that weekend waters down both moments. Slaying the unbeatable monster doesn’t look as impressive when someone else already did it 24 hours earlier. Right now, I’m leaning towards Sami should beat Roman on night one and then Cody on night two before eventually losing the belt the Cody at SummerSlam but I’m sure my opinion will change on that. This 1000x. Wrestlemania used to be the platform where long storylines came to a head with the babyace getting on top. Sami is both a bigger face rn and in the thick of the storyline with Roman. Everything else is secondary. Making Sami by having him beat Reigns is what matters that weekend. Cody is positioned well, it's just not his weekend. You don't undercut that moment for Sami by having Reigns lose anytime before that match happens.
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