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Post by yokohamacpfc on Mar 9, 2023 16:27:41 GMT -5
Could be a good way to bring Miro back to feud/team with him.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 9, 2023 21:28:23 GMT -5
Will Washington made a good point on his DAD podcast today. He said his theory with Wardlow was that he got over by doing squash mashes and the powerbomb symphony, but the TNT title had always been built around the open challenge system with very good matches. So when you put the belt on Wardlow it's already a disaster because what got him over didn't mesh with what was established with the title
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 9, 2023 22:06:19 GMT -5
Will Washington made a good point on his DAD podcast today. He said his theory with Wardlow was that he got over by doing squash mashes and the powerbomb symphony, but the TNT title had always been built around the open challenge system with very good matches. So when you put the belt on Wardlow it's already a disaster because what got him over didn't mesh with what was established with the title That division has a lot of talented workers I have no doubt that he wouldve had good matches with people. He had a great one with OC. Plus he was a bona fide main eventer at one point and they dropped the ball on this currently.
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Post by msc on Mar 10, 2023 8:13:13 GMT -5
Already mentioned above, but Wardlow had a really good title match a few months back with Orange Cassidy, which combined well Wardlows Mr Squash tendencies with OC's "casual but actually great at mind games" style.
So it can be done with effort.
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Post by deviljatt86 on Mar 10, 2023 18:14:38 GMT -5
I'm going to say something that many people have said before: If Hobbs was going to be the TNT champion, why have Wardlow beat Joe for the title at Revolution. Just have Joe vs Hobbs for the title, the Dynamite before Revolution, with Wardlow interfering and costing Joe the match. And just have the match at Revolution to be a simple grudge match. You get the title off of Joe onto Hobbs, and Wardlow doesn't look like a chump for losing his first defense. That you can say that QT Marshall interfered but that's not enough to keep Wardlow strong after the last few months.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Mar 10, 2023 18:41:29 GMT -5
They could have just done a triple threat at Revolution and done the same thing
I agree Wardlow is missing a spark. I don’t think it’s all doom and gloom, just missing that spark and something to sink his teeth into
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 12:20:35 GMT -5
Falls Count Anywhere matches can end a few ways Pinfall (Anywhere) Submission (Anywhere) Ten Count Knockout (Failure to get up) This ended on the ten count knockout, Wardlow could not get up. You dont usually see the match end this way so I thought it was cool Since when can it end in a 10 count knockout? I don't think I've seen any falls count anywhere match end in a 10 count in my almost 20 years as a fan nor have I even heard it stated as an option. From my understanding falls count anywhere generally removes the count as an option as you cannot be counted out in a traditional falls count anywhere match.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 18, 2023 16:03:43 GMT -5
Not to bump this but I felt Will Washington made a good point on a recent episode of DAD as well as on twitter last night. People on twitter were praising the Hobbs/Fenix match and asked why they couldn't do that with Wardlow, and Will said that Wardlow got over and popular with the powerbomb symphony. Anytime they tried to have him do more than just that, it didn't go over with the live crowds and he lost some of his aura. Where as Hobbs has been built up more as a monster but he's gotten over with having big matches.
It really goes to show how much of an anomaly Goldberg's consistent overness was.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Mar 18, 2023 19:13:45 GMT -5
Not to bump this but I felt Will Washington made a good point on a recent episode of DAD as well as on twitter last night. People on twitter were praising the Hobbs/Fenix match and asked why they couldn't do that with Wardlow, and Will said that Wardlow got over and popular with the powerbomb symphony. Anytime they tried to have him do more than just that, it didn't go over with the live crowds and he lost some of his aura. Where as Hobbs has been built up more as a monster but he's gotten over with having big matches. It really goes to show how much of an anomaly Goldberg's consistent overness was. I know we all clown on him now for being a weird douchebag, but Ryback was over in the same way years ago, but clownery happened to him and eventually people stopped giving a shit. I feel like everyone who tries to book a Goldberg didn't actually watch the shows he was on or pay attention to how he was actually booked.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 18, 2023 22:05:51 GMT -5
I think the big problems with Wardlow are that what got him over are 1), people wanting to see him kill MJF, and 2), the Powerbomb Symphony. Before that he was just a random goon no one really particularly cared about, and when you try and give him more of substance without actually defining him past those aspects you're just back to him being a random goon no one really particularly cares about.
He's someone who'd probably get a world of good from having a brief heel run just to help him find his voice as an actual character, because he really never has been defined as one past, "Guy who's tired of MJF's shit."
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 18, 2023 22:18:56 GMT -5
I think the big problems with Wardlow are that what got him over are 1), people wanting to see him kill MJF, and 2), the Powerbomb Symphony. Before that he was just a random goon no one really particularly cared about, and when you try and give him more of substance without actually defining him past those aspects you're just back to him being a random goon no one really particularly cares about. He's someone who'd probably get a world of good from having a brief heel run just to help him find his voice as an actual character, because he really never has been defined as one past, "Guy who's tired of MJF's shit." Idk about you but the promo where he talked about his father and that relationship, and how he connected his hair to it with the Joe feud, I thought was some of the best development he's ever had, and did define him past those previous qualities.
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Post by KingPooper on Mar 18, 2023 23:44:47 GMT -5
Yeah definitely more Alex Riley than Batista.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 19, 2023 0:05:51 GMT -5
Yeah definitely more Alex Riley than Batista. Wardlow isn't even close to Alex Riley. Wardlow still gets reactions and... is just an infinitely better worker A lot of stuff happened for it not to be on par with Batista, but... I watched the Riley run, Wardlow's still got infinitely more potential even now than Riley felt like he ever had.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 19, 2023 0:11:09 GMT -5
Yeah definitely more Alex Riley than Batista. Wardlow isn't even close to Alex Riley. Wardlow still gets reactions and... is just an infinitely better worker A lot of stuff happened for it not to be on par with Batista, but... I watched the Riley run, Wardlow's still got infinitely more potential even now than Riley felt like he ever had. Like, say what you will about Wardlow but dude's not so incompetent that he botched the start of the angle for the main event of the biggest show of the year by being unable to stay in the ring.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 19, 2023 0:17:51 GMT -5
Wardlow isn't even close to Alex Riley. Wardlow still gets reactions and... is just an infinitely better worker A lot of stuff happened for it not to be on par with Batista, but... I watched the Riley run, Wardlow's still got infinitely more potential even now than Riley felt like he ever had. Like, say what you will about Wardlow but dude's not so incompetent that he botched the start of the angle for the main event of the biggest show of the year by being unable to stay in the ring. Wardlow as far as we know is also not loathed backstage... like you gotta be a special kinda person to get actual heat with John Cena backstage.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 19, 2023 7:33:32 GMT -5
Not to bump this but I felt Will Washington made a good point on a recent episode of DAD as well as on twitter last night. People on twitter were praising the Hobbs/Fenix match and asked why they couldn't do that with Wardlow, and Will said that Wardlow got over and popular with the powerbomb symphony. Anytime they tried to have him do more than just that, it didn't go over with the live crowds and he lost some of his aura. Where as Hobbs has been built up more as a monster but he's gotten over with having big matches. It really goes to show how much of an anomaly Goldberg's consistent overness was. I know we all clown on him now for being a weird douchebag, but Ryback was over in the same way years ago, but clownery happened to him and eventually people stopped giving a shit. I feel like everyone who tries to book a Goldberg didn't actually watch the shows he was on or pay attention to how he was actually booked. Yeah point was more that despite some revisionist history, Goldberg didn't really lose popularity once the streak was done nor did the crowd lose interest if he was having a longer match. I like Wardlow and I do think he's still over, but even Alvarez mentioned this when he was at his peak, when he was having matches and not killing guys, the crowds went quiet until the powerbomb symphony. Ryback is a good example to who got over for similar squashes and was insanely hot, though booking did sabotage him. The MJF situation took a lot away too, but again, I go back to another point Will Washington made a few weeks ago too. The TNT title had been established as an open challenge title and you got used to seeing guys just have great match after great match with the title. Not that Wardlow can't have a great match (honestly dunno how good he is) but he was not going to live up to the standard of other titles. But I'll also say again, I think they initially had All Out planned around Wardlow powerbombing Satnam and had to pivot which killed even more momentum
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