A Little Doo Doo
Salacious Crumb
An unconventional man with unconventional methods.
Posts: 71,353
Member is Online
|
Post by A Little Doo Doo on Mar 21, 2023 18:10:22 GMT -5
I liked Cody's line about helping wrestlers make more money. It's like he's the provider Roman's character claims to be.
|
|
|
Post by stoptheclocks on Mar 21, 2023 18:29:44 GMT -5
If there's one promo trope I'd like to fire into the sun, it'd be variations on 'I'm not a superstar, I'm a professional wrestler'. That line was played out when it was trotted out on every other Impact episode 10+ years ago.
Still liked it though. Roman is excellent on the mic as the Tribal Chief. Hopefully he follows Seth's example and stays largely the same when he turns face.
|
|
|
Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Mar 21, 2023 18:33:23 GMT -5
Lil Wayne 2011 line
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 18:33:55 GMT -5
Really thought he wanted to say a Roman without an Empire...It was right there
|
|
|
Post by sportatorium on Mar 21, 2023 19:40:19 GMT -5
If Heyman is behind the creative on this (and it seems like he is), he loves the formula where the two won't put their hands on each other until the match. Cody seems way too far out ahead of Roman right now in the war of words. I think this needs Cody to get beat down next week by the Bloodline to send it home. Roman really told a great story with his facial expressions last night when Cody started telling him how everyone was going to leave him. He looked completely broken. Great stuff all around
|
|
|
Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 21, 2023 23:16:32 GMT -5
I do feel like if Cody doesn't win after the choice to go this direction with the build it's basically going to destroy any chance whatsoever of taking him seriously as a main event player. Between his entire motivation being, "I need to prove I can do this," to Roman just constantly going, "Your dead dad never loved you and you've never been able to get the job done," to Cody being the only dude who's ever faced Roman who's been smart enough to strategize first feel like the only thing undeniable about him if he loses at this point is going to be that he's a massive goober.
|
|
|
Post by Germansuplex on Mar 22, 2023 1:21:51 GMT -5
Roman has become SO good at this.
Still don't care one bit about Cody.
|
|
|
Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 22, 2023 8:25:12 GMT -5
I do feel like if Cody doesn't win after the choice to go this direction with the build it's basically going to destroy any chance whatsoever of taking him seriously as a main event player. Between his entire motivation being, "I need to prove I can do this," to Roman just constantly going, "Your dead dad never loved you and you've never been able to get the job done," to Cody being the only dude who's ever faced Roman who's been smart enough to strategize first feel like the only thing undeniable about him if he loses at this point is going to be that he's a massive goober. I’ve constantly seen the argument from some that Cody needs to lose to have an obstacle to overcome and that would be fine if Roman didn’t beat everyone else, especially two people in Drew and Sami who would have been credible enough to at least have a month long reign and give a wrinkle for Roman’s psyche. And also, wrestling is a storytelling medium but it’s also an ongoing, live, money making medium. If someone can make you money right now to pivot the story, you can go with it. Cody’s making you money, the time is right to set up the rest of the Bloodline collapse, if you aren’t going to do it now, the f***’s the time to do it?
|
|
|
Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 22, 2023 8:40:03 GMT -5
I do feel like if Cody doesn't win after the choice to go this direction with the build it's basically going to destroy any chance whatsoever of taking him seriously as a main event player. Between his entire motivation being, "I need to prove I can do this," to Roman just constantly going, "Your dead dad never loved you and you've never been able to get the job done," to Cody being the only dude who's ever faced Roman who's been smart enough to strategize first feel like the only thing undeniable about him if he loses at this point is going to be that he's a massive goober. I’ve constantly seen the argument from some that Cody needs to lose to have an obstacle to overcome and that would be fine if Roman didn’t beat everyone else, especially two people in Drew and Sami who would have been credible enough to at least have a month long reign and give a wrinkle for Roman’s psyche. And also, wrestling is a storytelling medium but it’s also an ongoing, live, money making medium. If someone can make you money right now to pivot the story, you can go with it. Cody’s making you money, the time is right to set up the rest of the Bloodline collapse, if you aren’t going to do it now, the f***’s the time to do it? Like, seriously. What’s the argument for Rhodes losing here and needing an “obstacle to overcome”? Is he doing things too easily at the moment for one’s liking? Does he have to struggle with a year of dirty finishes and 50/50 booking (the stuff that everyone says they hate) just because everyone else has had to? Dude’s over as f***, hasn’t lost a match in the territory since he returned to it and the heel champion is on the ropes. DO THE F***ING THING.
|
|
|
Post by ChitownKnight on Mar 22, 2023 8:40:06 GMT -5
I do feel like if Cody doesn't win after the choice to go this direction with the build it's basically going to destroy any chance whatsoever of taking him seriously as a main event player. Between his entire motivation being, "I need to prove I can do this," to Roman just constantly going, "Your dead dad never loved you and you've never been able to get the job done," to Cody being the only dude who's ever faced Roman who's been smart enough to strategize first feel like the only thing undeniable about him if he loses at this point is going to be that he's a massive goober. I’ve constantly seen the argument from some that Cody needs to lose to have an obstacle to overcome and that would be fine if Roman didn’t beat everyone else, especially two people in Drew and Sami who would have been credible enough to at least have a month long reign and give a wrinkle for Roman’s psyche. And also, wrestling is a storytelling medium but it’s also an ongoing, live, money making medium. If someone can make you money right now to pivot the story, you can go with it. Cody’s making you money, the time is right to set up the rest of the Bloodline collapse, if you aren’t going to do it now, the f***’s the time to do it? Yeah what are they gonna do, have the bloodline leave Roman and he continues on with his reign? That wouldn’t make sense
|
|
Futureraven: Beelzebruv
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Ultimate Arbiter of Right And Wrong
Spent half my life here, God help me
Posts: 15,449
|
Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Mar 22, 2023 8:40:36 GMT -5
I feel like the shooty shit's getting overplayed but "You ran away, started your own company, and ran away again when you didn't get over" was f***ing BRUTAL, I loved it Could have gone with "when you couldn't get THAT belt" but yeah.
|
|
|
Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 22, 2023 8:50:24 GMT -5
I do feel like if Cody doesn't win after the choice to go this direction with the build it's basically going to destroy any chance whatsoever of taking him seriously as a main event player. Between his entire motivation being, "I need to prove I can do this," to Roman just constantly going, "Your dead dad never loved you and you've never been able to get the job done," to Cody being the only dude who's ever faced Roman who's been smart enough to strategize first feel like the only thing undeniable about him if he loses at this point is going to be that he's a massive goober. I’ve constantly seen the argument from some that Cody needs to lose to have an obstacle to overcome and that would be fine if Roman didn’t beat everyone else, especially two people in Drew and Sami who would have been credible enough to at least have a month long reign and give a wrinkle for Roman’s psyche. And also, wrestling is a storytelling medium but it’s also an ongoing, live, money making medium. If someone can make you money right now to pivot the story, you can go with it. Cody’s making you money, the time is right to set up the rest of the Bloodline collapse, if you aren’t going to do it now, the f***’s the time to do it? They've pushed the pieces too far to just have everybody leave Mania status quo. It'd be like Jesse and Walt breaking up at the end of Breaking Bad, then Walt convincing Jesse to just stick around for another season. There's no real spoilers there, btw, my point is that they'd wind up treading water. Cody's gotta beat Roman and Sami/KO have to beat The Uso's. They can go anywhere they want after Mania, but this is one of those situations where anything but a clean win and babyface celebration at the end of Mania is a straight up miss from both a narrative and business standpoint. I get there are a few people that may not love Cody, but they're in the minority right now.
|
|
|
Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 22, 2023 9:39:31 GMT -5
I’ve constantly seen the argument from some that Cody needs to lose to have an obstacle to overcome and that would be fine if Roman didn’t beat everyone else, especially two people in Drew and Sami who would have been credible enough to at least have a month long reign and give a wrinkle for Roman’s psyche. And also, wrestling is a storytelling medium but it’s also an ongoing, live, money making medium. If someone can make you money right now to pivot the story, you can go with it. Cody’s making you money, the time is right to set up the rest of the Bloodline collapse, if you aren’t going to do it now, the f***’s the time to do it? Like, seriously. What’s the argument for Rhodes losing here and needing an “obstacle to overcome”? Is he doing things too easily at the moment for one’s liking? Does he have to struggle with a year of dirty finishes and 50/50 booking (the stuff that everyone says they hate) just because everyone else has had to? Dude’s over as f***, hasn’t lost a match in the territory since he returned to it and the heel champion is on the ropes. DO THE F***ING THING. There's an entire Twitter thread (that a lot of people agree with for some reason) basically saying "He needs a story arc and also Seth needs a rematch and I also live in the delusion after what we know about Black Adam and Shazam 2 that The Rock would come back and lose to Roman and also 1000 days or whatever" and you can literally do all those things (or attempt them in Rock's case) without needing to expand a story that, numbers wise, people aren't as into as they were a few months ago and expand a title reign for no other reason except to say you expanded it.
|
|
|
Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 22, 2023 9:52:19 GMT -5
Like, seriously. What’s the argument for Rhodes losing here and needing an “obstacle to overcome”? Is he doing things too easily at the moment for one’s liking? Does he have to struggle with a year of dirty finishes and 50/50 booking (the stuff that everyone says they hate) just because everyone else has had to? Dude’s over as f***, hasn’t lost a match in the territory since he returned to it and the heel champion is on the ropes. DO THE F***ING THING. There's an entire Twitter thread (that a lot of people agree with for some reason) basically saying "He needs a story arc and also Seth needs a rematch and I also live in the delusion after what we know about Black Adam and Shazam 2 that The Rock would come back and lose to Roman and also 1000 days or whatever" and you can literally do all those things (or attempt them in Rock's case) without needing to expand a story that, numbers wise, people aren't as into as they were a few months ago and expand a title reign for no other reason except to say you expanded it. It’d just read a lot more sincere to me if a lot of us didn’t simply abandon ship on a talent any time they actually showed vulnerability and struggle because we don’t expect WWE to follow through on it, thus a talent needing to be an unbeatable endless winner to hold onto their fans and credibility. It’s an issue they created themselves, but at what point do we actually let them try to fix it?
|
|
|
Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Mar 22, 2023 9:55:38 GMT -5
I’ve constantly seen the argument from some that Cody needs to lose to have an obstacle to overcome and that would be fine if Roman didn’t beat everyone else, especially two people in Drew and Sami who would have been credible enough to at least have a month long reign and give a wrinkle for Roman’s psyche. And also, wrestling is a storytelling medium but it’s also an ongoing, live, money making medium. If someone can make you money right now to pivot the story, you can go with it. Cody’s making you money, the time is right to set up the rest of the Bloodline collapse, if you aren’t going to do it now, the f***’s the time to do it? They've pushed the pieces too far to just have everybody leave Mania status quo. It'd be like Jesse and Walt breaking up at the end of Breaking Bad, then Walt convincing Jesse to just stick around for another season. There's no real spoilers there, btw, my point is that they'd wind up treading water. Cody's gotta beat Roman and Sami/KO have to beat The Uso's. They can go anywhere they want after Mania, but this is one of those situations where anything but a clean win and babyface celebration at the end of Mania is a straight up miss from both a narrative and business standpoint. I get there are a few people that may not love Cody, but they're in the minority right now. The real story, even moreso than Roman making it to 1,000 days as champ is what happens when he’s confronted with failure and everything Cody warned him about coming true.
|
|
Ben Wyatt
Crow T. Robot
Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
Posts: 41,822
Member is Online
|
Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 22, 2023 9:57:24 GMT -5
Everything about this is storytelling 101. Cody needs to win. Roman needs to lose. The fans need to FINALLY see the unbeatable asshole get his comeuppance.
Let's not overthink any of this
|
|
|
Post by SneakMan on Mar 22, 2023 10:00:06 GMT -5
Everything about this is storytelling 101. Cody needs to win. Roman needs to lose. The fans need to FINALLY see the unbeatable asshole get his comeuppance. Let's not overthink any of this On the other hand, Cody losing after all this would be really, really funny (in a "Pedro Pascal laughing, then crying" type of way).
|
|
BRV
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Wants him some Taco Flavored Kisses.
Posts: 17,404
Member is Online
|
Post by BRV on Mar 22, 2023 10:09:48 GMT -5
If Heyman is behind the creative on this (and it seems like he is), he loves the formula where the two won't put their hands on each other until the match. Cody seems way too far out ahead of Roman right now in the war of words. I think this needs Cody to get beat down next week by the Bloodline to send it home. Roman really told a great story with his facial expressions last night when Cody started telling him how everyone was going to leave him. He looked completely broken. Great stuff all around In terms of their face-to-face interactions, Monday was the first time Cody Rhodes truly "won" against Roman Reigns. The last time they met in the ring was on SmackDown on March 3, and Roman definitely got the best of Cody in that exchange, basically telling him "You're not ready for this moment, but I am. And your daddy taught me everything I know in the ring and I'll show you what he taught me," and Cody's tepid response was, "Well now I HAVE to win, may the best man win!" Sure, Cody's had the upper hand when he's gotten into scrums with the likes of Solo Sikoa or The Usos, but Monday night was the first time you can truly say he penetrated Roman Reigns' armor.
|
|
|
Post by ChitownKnight on Mar 22, 2023 10:27:36 GMT -5
Who cares about the 1000 days as champ. maybe they can do that sometime in the distant future in the right circumstances, but the Roman title reign is meant to end at Mania
|
|
A Little Doo Doo
Salacious Crumb
An unconventional man with unconventional methods.
Posts: 71,353
Member is Online
|
Post by A Little Doo Doo on Mar 23, 2023 15:43:24 GMT -5
Really thought he wanted to say a Roman without an Empire...It was right there When you come up with a great comeback in your head after the argument's over:
|
|