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Post by Rolent Tex on Mar 23, 2023 18:46:14 GMT -5
Everything about this is storytelling 101. Cody needs to win. Roman needs to lose. The fans need to FINALLY see the unbeatable asshole get his comeuppance. Let's not overthink any of this You have more faith than I do in the WWE’s ability to do good storytelling.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 23, 2023 18:51:41 GMT -5
Really thought he wanted to say a Roman without an Empire...It was right there When you come up with a great comeback in your head after the argument's over: Well, the Jerk Store called, they’re running out of you!!!
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Mar 23, 2023 19:21:33 GMT -5
When you come up with a great comeback in your head after the argument's over: Well, the Jerk Store called, they’re running out of you!!! Hopefully next week, you won’t be around!
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Post by héad.casé on Mar 26, 2023 6:02:34 GMT -5
A friend and I were talking about this angle. He told me he listened to a podcast that Vince Russo was a guest on, and Russo said if he were booking this angle, he’d have Roman hold the titles for another year to build the heat more and more. I said to my friend that I understood the reasoning, and building heat for your final boss heel is great, but that if Roman wins at Wrestlemania, who’s left? What’s the endgame?
I would personally be more interested in the story with a Tribal Chief that’s lost everything and is spiralling.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 26, 2023 6:34:26 GMT -5
A friend and I were talking about this angle. He told me he listened to a podcast that Vince Russo was a guest on, and Russo said if he were booking this angle, he’d have Roman hold the titles for another year to build the heat more and more. I said to my friend that I understood the reasoning, and building heat for your final boss heel is great, but that if Roman wins at Wrestlemania, who’s left? What’s the endgame? I would personally be more interested in the story with a Tribal Chief that’s lost everything and is spiralling. Did Mr. Russo, by any chance, make any sort of comment about what the potential payoff would be and what the extra year tacked on to the title run would add to that? Didn't think so.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Mar 26, 2023 6:56:28 GMT -5
A friend and I were talking about this angle. He told me he listened to a podcast that Vince Russo was a guest on, and Russo said if he were booking this angle, he’d have Roman hold the titles for another year to build the heat more and more. I said to my friend that I understood the reasoning, and building heat for your final boss heel is great, but that if Roman wins at Wrestlemania, who’s left? What’s the endgame? I would personally be more interested in the story with a Tribal Chief that’s lost everything and is spiralling. You know what, he's right, 3 years of buildup,it's just not enough. BTW what was the average length of a title reign under Russo?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 26, 2023 7:03:12 GMT -5
A friend and I were talking about this angle. He told me he listened to a podcast that Vince Russo was a guest on, and Russo said if he were booking this angle, he’d have Roman hold the titles for another year to build the heat more and more. I said to my friend that I understood the reasoning, and building heat for your final boss heel is great, but that if Roman wins at Wrestlemania, who’s left? What’s the endgame? I would personally be more interested in the story with a Tribal Chief that’s lost everything and is spiralling. You know what, he's right, 3 years of buildup,it's just not enough. BTW what was the average length of a title reign under Russo? Reigns has been champion longer, uninterrupted, than the period of time that Russo was even the head writer for the WWF (December 1997-October 1999).
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Post by Rolent Tex on Mar 26, 2023 7:19:52 GMT -5
Russo thinks a man needs to hold a belt for 3 years. What the hell planet am I even living on anymore?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 26, 2023 8:13:27 GMT -5
Like mentioned, who’d be left for him to face?
The list would be, from what I’ve seen, Rollins, Lashley and Sheamus and out of those three, Rollins is the only one, in kayfabe, that has some kind of number on him. Lashley and Sheamus would be filler challengers at best. Unless you genuinely plan on have The Rock beat him which, and I cannot stress this enough, is the worst payoff possible to this almost 3+ year angle possible for the state of your company.
Even if the argument is “Cody can win later”, you’ve already basically rewarded your customers who’ve actually taken into this guy whose come in and gotten super over with nothing right now. So you might as well have him win the championship.
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Post by wildojinx on Mar 26, 2023 8:26:04 GMT -5
A friend and I were talking about this angle. He told me he listened to a podcast that Vince Russo was a guest on, and Russo said if he were booking this angle, he’d have Roman hold the titles for another year to build the heat more and more. I said to my friend that I understood the reasoning, and building heat for your final boss heel is great, but that if Roman wins at Wrestlemania, who’s left? What’s the endgame? I would personally be more interested in the story with a Tribal Chief that’s lost everything and is spiralling. You know what, he's right, 3 years of buildup,it's just not enough. BTW what was the average length of a title reign under Russo? I dont think there was a title reign that lasted longer than 3 months under Russo.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 26, 2023 8:27:25 GMT -5
Like mentioned, who’d be left for him to face? The list would be, from what I’ve seen, Rollins, Lashley and Sheamus and out of those three, Rollins is the only one, in kayfabe, that has some kind of number on him. Lashley and Sheamus would be filler challengers at best. Unless you genuinely plan on have The Rock beat him which, and I cannot stress this enough, is the worst payoff possible to this almost 3+ year angle possible for the state of your company. Even if the argument is “Cody can win later”, you’ve already basically rewarded your customers who’ve actually taken into this guy whose come in and gotten super over with nothing right now. So you might as well have him win the championship. If someone can put up a convincing argument of what Rhodes actually gains from winning later that is more than what he gains from winning now, cancels out what he loses from not winning now AND is less hurtful to Reigns’s perception than winning now, I’ll give them the courtesy of hearing it out out of morbid curiosity.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 26, 2023 10:31:29 GMT -5
Like mentioned, who’d be left for him to face? The list would be, from what I’ve seen, Rollins, Lashley and Sheamus and out of those three, Rollins is the only one, in kayfabe, that has some kind of number on him. Lashley and Sheamus would be filler challengers at best. Unless you genuinely plan on have The Rock beat him which, and I cannot stress this enough, is the worst payoff possible to this almost 3+ year angle possible for the state of your company. Even if the argument is “Cody can win later”, you’ve already basically rewarded your customers who’ve actually taken into this guy whose come in and gotten super over with nothing right now. So you might as well have him win the championship. If someone can put up a convincing argument of what Rhodes actually gains from winning later that is more than what he gains from winning now, cancels out what he loses from not winning now AND is less hurtful to Reigns’s perception than winning now, I’ll give them the courtesy of hearing it out out of morbid curiosity. Honestly, I’ll go as far as saying no such argument exists. They’ve written themselves into a corner. Rock isn’t coming back, Seth is tied up and everybody else is at least a level below Roman. Even if there’s some shenanigans where we get to Seth/Roman/Cody next month where Roman loses a belt to each, it’s nowhere near as satisfying as the good guy just straight up winning at Mania.
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Post by john84 on Mar 26, 2023 10:43:13 GMT -5
The way they've booked Reigns, the only time (barring injury, suspension, compassionate leave etc) that makes sense for him drop the belts IS at WrestleMania. Anywhere else would, frankly, be just random and wouldn't have the same effect IMO as him losing it at Mania.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Mar 26, 2023 10:46:59 GMT -5
I see the temptation for having Roman retain. He's in a tremendous groove as a heel and while I really like Cody, he's not quite at the level you'd want the person who takes down Reigns' super reign to be. But they don't have anyone else who appears ready to be the next transcendent generational superstar babyface. So unless they can get a time machine to fetch 1984 Hulk Hogan, 1997 Steve Austin, or 2004 John Cena, they are stuck with what they have and they should just take the chance and give it to Cody. He's over, the story would be good, and sometimes you have to strike when the iron is hot whether it feels perfect or not. If Roman retains, they're going to lose a lot of people after Mania. And if Cody doesn't work out, he can always drop it over the summer back to Reigns or to Zayn (if he's still hot), Owens, or whoever. Give Cody the ball and see if he can carry this momentum beyond his comeback and this story. They almost have to at this point.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 27, 2023 10:40:36 GMT -5
Like mentioned, who’d be left for him to face? The list would be, from what I’ve seen, Rollins, Lashley and Sheamus and out of those three, Rollins is the only one, in kayfabe, that has some kind of number on him. Lashley and Sheamus would be filler challengers at best. Unless you genuinely plan on have The Rock beat him which, and I cannot stress this enough, is the worst payoff possible to this almost 3+ year angle possible for the state of your company. Even if the argument is “Cody can win later”, you’ve already basically rewarded your customers who’ve actually taken into this guy whose come in and gotten super over with nothing right now. So you might as well have him win the championship. If someone can put up a convincing argument of what Rhodes actually gains from winning later that is more than what he gains from winning now, cancels out what he loses from not winning now AND is less hurtful to Reigns’s perception than winning now, I’ll give them the courtesy of hearing it out out of morbid curiosity. So I heard one argument that he hasn't had the adversity and the payoff will be bigger in the future. Which...sorry, my dudes, what is "fought through a torn pec in a Hell in a Cell match and returned to win the Royal Rumble" if not goddamn aversity? And someone's pitch to follow this up is...a feud with a newly heel Randy Orton. Because you couldn't do that with Cody winning the belt, nope.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Mar 27, 2023 10:55:35 GMT -5
If someone can put up a convincing argument of what Rhodes actually gains from winning later that is more than what he gains from winning now, cancels out what he loses from not winning now AND is less hurtful to Reigns’s perception than winning now, I’ll give them the courtesy of hearing it out out of morbid curiosity. So I heard one argument that he hasn't had the adversity and the payoff will be bigger in the future. Which...sorry, my dudes, what is "fought through a torn pec in a Hell in a Cell match and returned to win the Royal Rumble" if not goddamn aversity? And someone's pitch to follow this up is...a feud with a newly heel Randy Orton. Because you couldn't do that with Cody winning the belt, nope. Randy ruining Cody's championship celebration on the Raw after WM is right there.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Mar 27, 2023 11:02:36 GMT -5
So I heard one argument that he hasn't had the adversity and the payoff will be bigger in the future. Which...sorry, my dudes, what is "fought through a torn pec in a Hell in a Cell match and returned to win the Royal Rumble" if not goddamn aversity? And someone's pitch to follow this up is...a feud with a newly heel Randy Orton. Because you couldn't do that with Cody winning the belt, nope. Randy ruining Cody's championship celebration on the Raw after WM is right there. I think you save that for Summerslam or at least another PPV a few months down the line. People will be desperate to cheer Randy when he returns so I'd let them get that out of their system for a bit before turning him. Hell, if they're kept apart that's even a potential marquee Wrestlemania match for next year with their history. I think Finn would be a good first challenger for Cody if he beats Edge.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 27, 2023 11:13:26 GMT -5
I think Finn would be a good first challenger for Cody if he beats Edge. And this brings up a good point, too, new challengers for Cody. You basically set up at least a year of challengers if it goes that long, less if it doesn’t with Roman’s Bloodline breakup being a good 1B storyline to that’s 1A. Like I asked before, what else can you do storyline wise with Roman that doesn’t involve needless number padding?
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Mar 27, 2023 11:40:18 GMT -5
I think Finn would be a good first challenger for Cody if he beats Edge. And this brings up a good point, too, new challengers for Cody. You basically set up at least a year of challengers if it goes that long, less if it doesn’t with Roman’s Bloodline breakup being a good 1B storyline to that’s 1A. Like I asked before, what else can you do storyline wise with Roman that doesn’t involve needless number padding? All the best stuff for heel Roman to do post-Mania really doesn't involve the title anyway so yeah, it really would be monumentally dumb for him to win. If Jey and/or Jimmy walk out on him that will be a hot story without needing a title plus they're teasing Solo getting restless now too. Then whatever happens with Heyman. They have at least 6 months of big time non-title stories to keep Roman busy. Then if they ever finally get to do Roman/Rock it will be just as huge as it was going to be whether there's a title on the line or not. Like the first Rock/Cena match didn't have a title on the line and it drew more than any wrestling match ever. Sunday is hopefully the last we ever see of heel Roman with the title. I'm sure once he ties up all the post-Mania Bloodline stuff he'll take a break and eventually return as a babyface so he'll likely get at least one more face title run but this really should be it for him as the dominant heel champ. This has been such a grandiose run with hopefully the perfect ending that there's no possible way any future heel run he had could live up to it.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 27, 2023 12:19:01 GMT -5
Like the first Rock/Cena match didn't have a title on the line and it drew more than any wrestling match ever. I completely agree with all of what you said but a good counterpoint of that for people would be that the only WrestleMania to draw more on PPV was the rematch the year after with the title on the line. As long as they ignore that factoid, we’re good!
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