Cranjis McBasketball
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 3, 2024 20:08:41 GMT -5
Logan Paul and the Rock alone put more eyes on the product than 10,000 Codyâs âfinishing the storyâ would ever. But, give Cody credit, heâs gotten that over. I checked out social media last night and that had to be 90% of the posts. Your first point is wrong, especially considering long term. What good is a casual glance when something like this makes your newer fans here the other 11 months of the year tune out? People leave shows with unsatisfying endings. That's across the board in all entertainment. Then WWE would never be a thing. WWE, especially and most famously have always used celebrities at WrestleMania to draw outside interest. I have no idea how they quantify it, but they must know, because theyâve been doing it 40 years now. People donât leave shows with unsatisfying endings, because once something ends, itâs the end, thereâs nothing to leave. You can just take to social media to bitch. |
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bob
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Post by bob on Feb 3, 2024 20:09:44 GMT -5
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Injustice45
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Post by Injustice45 on Feb 3, 2024 20:11:09 GMT -5
Cody Rhodes: I'm finishing the st- The Rock:  |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Feb 3, 2024 20:11:13 GMT -5
Gotta give WWE credit for turning Cody Rhodes into a pariah. People are gonna be singing the lyrics to Kingdom next time Rock tries to speak. I think the word youâre looking for is âmartyrâ. Rock would be more of the pariah here. |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffinâs Story on Feb 3, 2024 20:11:56 GMT -5
I really doubt even in the face of this Rock is going to blink. He's so consistently deluded and arrogant, especially of late, that I could see him thinking he can turn this around with a promo or two. I think theyâll try, but theyâre in a tough spot. Rock is also a board member but heâs not like the chairman. If everyone is mad and itâs impacting the product, Nick might have to have a heart to heart with the dude. |
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Post by Tom Turkey on Feb 3, 2024 20:13:47 GMT -5
Well, in case you doubted the possibility that The Rock himself might get a negative reaction... Didnât expect the ânostalgia popâ to disappear just 24 hours removed. |
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Mecca
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Post by Mecca on Feb 3, 2024 20:14:00 GMT -5
I really doubt even in the face of this Rock is going to blink. He's so consistently deluded and arrogant, especially of late, that I could see him thinking he can turn this around with a promo or two. I think theyâll try, but theyâre in a tough spot. Rock is also a board member but heâs not like the chairman. If everyone is mad and itâs impacting the product, Nick might have to have a heart to heart with the dude. It's a board full of corporate suits, people like that think the Rock is more money than Cody Rhodes. This is what happens when you apply American corporate business with athletics, it's a shit show. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 3, 2024 20:14:03 GMT -5
Hogan was 48 when he faced The Rock in 2002. He could still go at the same level as ever and was the most over wrestler on the planet: not only that but he knew what he was good for and put guys over like hell. Hogan in 2002 had the benefit of 1) WWE tapping into earnest nostalgia for the first time ever. Prior to buying WCW, anything that happened more than three month's before any given show might as well have not existed. This was the first time people could relive something they loved, something really needed after 2) the 9/11 terrorist attacks the previous September. Across the board in America we wanted to feel safe and have a familiar warmth of a more innocent age, and Hogan going classic Hogan was just want we needed to escape. The Rock didn't even get the mic on Friday to do classic Rock schtick, which may promo-wise have eased some of the harsh burn we're feeling today. We were supposed to be satisfied with the "idea" of The Rock than The Rock actually performing. Also, most importantly, Hogan vs. Rock was not the main event. Some say it should have been, sure. But the world title had a different story with its own match in the main event focusing on two full time guys. It's a part of the nuance that's been lost in the past decade+ of part-timer worship and old guys coming back for giant spots. They aren't the co-main anymore, they aren't unilaterally putting over the future. They're the attraction and everybody, even people who are main event talent for the other 11 months, get thrown to the side. WWE never built its glory years on the back of having celebrities in the top spot, but as supplemental components to it. The years they did typically signaled downturns in business. When WWE was truly hot, you would never kick the top stars out to do a spectacle match. But when business is down? That's when your Brocks and your Lawrence Taylors are here to try and "save" the show. It's ahistoric to actually pretend that Wrestlemania is all about marginalizing the everyday stars for shinier toys but that's the justification so many people throw around for this stuff. |
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chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Feb 3, 2024 20:15:09 GMT -5
Your first point is wrong, especially considering long term. What good is a casual glance when something like this makes your newer fans here the other 11 months of the year tune out? People leave shows with unsatisfying endings. That's across the board in all entertainment. Then WWE would never be a thing. WWE, especially and most famously have always used celebrities at WrestleMania to draw outside interest. I have no idea how they quantify it, but they must know, because theyâve been doing it 40 years now. People donât leave shows with unsatisfying endings, because once something ends, itâs the end, thereâs nothing to leave. You can just take to social media to bitch. You're being needlessly prescriptivist and intellectually dishonest. Serialized television shows, movie franchise, they all have endings along the way of their continued narrative. You shouldn't need this explained to you. And, again you're being intellectually dishonest so I shouldn't engage, but WWE doesn't have a history of using celebs at the direct expense of their longterm main event money making cash-drawing storylines. The issue isn't that Rock is a celebrity, the issue is Cody being derailed. If you had The Rock challenging Seth, or John Cena challenging Seth or Taylor Swift challenging Rhea Ripley, this would NOT be an issue. This isn't Snooki on the undercard. This isn't Tyson as an outside enforcer. This isn't Mr T TAGGING with Hulk against Piper and Orndorf. This is a celebrity f***ing up the end of the story they've set in motion to get fans invested in for a year. |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffinâs Story on Feb 3, 2024 20:15:38 GMT -5
I think theyâll try, but theyâre in a tough spot. Rock is also a board member but heâs not like the chairman. If everyone is mad and itâs impacting the product, Nick might have to have a heart to heart with the dude. It's a board full of corporate suits, people like that think the Rock is more money than Cody Rhodes. This is what happens when you apply American corporate business with athletics, it's a shit show. Iâm just not sold on anything after the last month in wrestling. Nothingâs off the table at this point. |
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Sicho100
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Post by Sicho100 on Feb 3, 2024 20:17:08 GMT -5
I saw Black Adam in theaters as well, and they really should have gone all in on Black Adam being a "destroy your oppressors" type. Would have tapped into what people wanted from a Black Adam movie that much better. and again what is he drawing? mania was already sold out. Wrestelmania is free on peacock. how does that translate into dollars? (and again most of his recent movies have flopped.) The really dumb part is that the most obvious way to incorporate Rock is just to make him a special ref in Cody/Roman. You can play up Rock and Roman being related leading up to Mania, suggesting that Rock will be biased for Roman, and then when Solo tries to interfere in the match, you can have Rock stop him and give him a Rock Bottom, which then causes Roman to spear Rock, then Cody gets the upper hand on Roman and eventually the win (though presumably it'd be a case where he gets a visible pin while Rock is still down, then Roman kicks out at 2 when Rock recovers, then Cody eventually gets the win a little later), with Rock counting the fall (fairly) after he recovers from the spear. You still get the buzz from Rock being on the show, you still get Cody to be the one to dethrone Roman to pay off that story, you set up a future Rock/Roman match (whether at this year's Summerslam or next year's Mania) without the title attached, you don't need to worry about Rock not being able to carry the show's biggest match because he only needs to do one move and take one move, and you don't need to worry about a part timer again upstaging the full time roster. |
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fw91
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Post by fw91 on Feb 3, 2024 20:17:58 GMT -5
Then WWE would never be a thing. WWE, especially and most famously have always used celebrities at WrestleMania to draw outside interest. I have no idea how they quantify it, but they must know, because theyâve been doing it 40 years now. People donât leave shows with unsatisfying endings, because once something ends, itâs the end, thereâs nothing to leave. You can just take to social media to bitch. You're being needlessly prescriptivist and intellectually dishonest. Serialized television shows, movie franchise, they all have endings along the way of their continued narrative. You shouldn't need this explained to you. And, again you're being intellectually dishonest so I shouldn't engage, but WWE doesn't have a history of using celebs at the direct expense of their longterm main event money making cash-drawing storylines. The issue isn't that Rock is a celebrity, the issue is Cody being derailed. If you had The Rock challenging Seth, or John Cena challenging Seth or Taylor Swift challenging Rhea Ripley, this would NOT be an issue. This isn't Snooki on the undercard. This isn't Tyson as an outside enforcer. This isn't Mr T TAGGING with Hulk against Piper and Orndorf. This is a celebrity f***ing up the end of the story they've set in motion to get fans invested in for a year. i don't see why one of you has to be right or wrong here. IMO, you're both right in certain regards. |
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Mecca
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Post by Mecca on Feb 3, 2024 20:20:48 GMT -5
Man The Rock wanted to be Black Adam and not put Shazam over.
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Post by Kalmia on Feb 3, 2024 20:22:26 GMT -5
WWE is going to pay far more attention to the reaction in venues than people bitching online, I think. That reaction at the house show, when house show crowds are some of the easiest to please, is going to worry them more than people downvoting a YouTube video. The Rock might have a huge ego, but I don't think he's going to want TMZ or THR to report about how he's being booed out of the building (unless he turns heel and purposely tries to be booed out of the building) If they do pivot, I don't think it'll be immediately. Give it a week or two to see if the heat dies down and start the ball rolling on Cody vs Seth to see how that is accepted. If things are still a mess next week, we might see some changes.
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Post by King Devitt: What Plants Crave on Feb 3, 2024 20:24:14 GMT -5
Okay I FINALLY saw it. I went on the Youtubes and found the full segment. 29 ads later I finished it.
So Cody comes out, says he still wants Roman, but not at WM, but he also talked to The Rock as 'counsel', and then Dwayne comes out thus setting up Rock vs. Roman at WM apparently.
I will say this....massive respect to Cody for being the professional he is. He just had to hand off his WM main event to The Rock in person.
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Post by Rican on Feb 3, 2024 20:25:21 GMT -5
WWE is going to pay far more attention to the reaction in venues than people bitching online, I think. That reaction at the house show, when house show crowds are some of the easiest to please, is going to worry them more than people downvoting a YouTube video. The Rock might have a huge ego, but I don't think he's going to want TMZ or THR to report about how he's being booed out of the building (unless he turns heel and purposely tries to be booed out of the building) If they do pivot, I don't think it'll be immediately. Give it a week or two to see if the heat dies down and start the ball rolling on Cody vs Seth to see how that is accepted. If things are still a mess next week, we might see some changes. Agreed. This all hinges on how loud and persistent the backlash is. Dwayne is REALLY risk averse and protective of his image and if he gets booed out of the building in a promo segment I think thereâs a chance they rethink it. |
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Mecca
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Post by Mecca on Feb 3, 2024 20:25:26 GMT -5
Okay I FINALLY saw it. I went on the Youtubes and found the full segment. 29 ads later I finished it. So Cody comes out, says he still wants Roman, but not at WM, but he also talked to The Rock as 'counsel', and then Dwayne comes out thus setting up Rock vs. Roman at WM apparently. I will say this....massive respect to Cody for being the professional he is. He just had to hand off his WM main event to The Rock in person. Cody will now forever despise the Rock like Bret did Hogan. |
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Feb 3, 2024 20:26:58 GMT -5
WWE is going to pay far more attention to the reaction in venues than people bitching online, I think. That reaction at the house show, when house show crowds are some of the easiest to please, is going to worry them more than people downvoting a YouTube video. The Rock might have a huge ego, but I don't think he's going to want TMZ or THR to report about how he's being booed out of the building (unless he turns heel and purposely tries to be booed out of the building) If they do pivot, I don't think it'll be immediately. Give it a week or two to see if the heat dies down and start the ball rolling on Cody vs Seth to see how that is accepted. If things are still a mess next week, we might see some changes. Agreed. This all hinges on how loud and persistent the backlash is. Dwayne is REALLY risk averse and protective of his image and if he gets booed out of the building in a promo segment I think thereâs a chance they rethink it. I will be stunned if that live backlash goes away even a smidge. |
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Post by HIM on Feb 3, 2024 20:33:00 GMT -5
Yeah this is going to turn Rock heel and turn Cody into the new Daniel Bryan. Shouldn't have f***ed with the booking.
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Post by King Devitt: What Plants Crave on Feb 3, 2024 20:33:36 GMT -5
Agreed. This all hinges on how loud and persistent the backlash is. Dwayne is REALLY risk averse and protective of his image and if he gets booed out of the building in a promo segment I think thereâs a chance they rethink it. I will be stunned if that live backlash goes away even a smidge. Best case scenario for most everyone here it seems is that we get another 'fan revolt' ala the "Yes Movement". If Dwayne is in the ring cutting the promo and loud, thunderous, "we want Cody!" chants ring through the arena...well that's the best way to get them to change their minds I would think. Make it happen fam. |
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