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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 4, 2024 16:05:37 GMT -5
I feel like at this point your best course of action would be to do a tournament. You can work Roman burying Seth for no reason into the build to try to salvage that, people get both Roman / Rock and Roman / Cody, the latter has enough baggage around it to easily leave the door open to do a rubber match if you want to, it helps compensate in the build for how both Rock and Roman never actually come to work...
Just do the tournament, woo Cody wins, everyone happy, then Priest cashes in for the World title on Raw to resolve that while Cody still gets his reign with the WWE one.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 4, 2024 16:09:25 GMT -5
The thing with the whole 'oh but the head of the table stuff has been set up' is like... Then you have Cody win last year's Mania match, so the story becomes Reigns losing his belt but he has to try and justify it, titles change hands and maybe he'll get the belt back at some point, but even without it he's still the head of the table. But now he has a more perilous position keeping the Bloodline together, only able to do so by asserting his authority through sheer brutality rather than the champ making the rules. Then when you have the Rock/Roman match it's for that more literal title rather than a belt. ... But that's just from a storytelling position, the real bizarre thing is that Cody, the guy who wasn't in the company when everything was happening and still gave the best and most honest answer at the press conference that his boss failed to about the Vince McMahon situation, is the only person getting a demotion. Like I and a few others have said, all of Roman's stories make more sense if he loses last year. the bloodline crumbling Jey and Jimmy leaving and Roman doing what he can to hold his stable together, including getting Jimmy back in the fold. and then THE ROCK shows up. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 4, 2024 16:10:53 GMT -5
The thing with the whole 'oh but the head of the table stuff has been set up' is like... Then you have Cody win last year's Mania match, so the story becomes Reigns losing his belt but he has to try and justify it, titles change hands and maybe he'll get the belt back at some point, but even without it he's still the head of the table. But now he has a more perilous position keeping the Bloodline together, only able to do so by asserting his authority through sheer brutality rather than the champ making the rules. Then when you have the Rock/Roman match it's for that more literal title rather than a belt. ... But that's just from a storytelling position, the real bizarre thing is that Cody, the guy who wasn't in the company when everything was happening and still gave the best and most honest answer at the press conference that his boss failed to about the Vince McMahon situation, is the only person getting a demotion. Like I and a few others have said, all of Roman's stories make more sense if he loses last year. the bloodline crumbling Jey and Jimmy leaving and Roman doing what he can to hold his stable together, including getting Jimmy back in the fold. and then THE ROCK shows up. Don't forget Cody and Brock feuding for no reason, followed by Cody and Judgment Day feuding for no reason. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 4, 2024 16:11:02 GMT -5
I have had it with this Cody story nonsense. He didn’t even have the best story last year when everyone whines about him losing. Sami did. Sami spent months building his story with Bloodline. He was in his hometown. Cody entered 30 in a Rumble. It’s like everyone fell for some really lazy branding. Because he made up a story about Dusty having a photo on his nightstand so ridiculous it’s funny not moving. A photo that buries Dusty’s actually accomplishments winning an actual world title….whose lineage (we care SOOOO much about that right now right?) Cody already f***ing won. Not to mention the entire point of the story that everyone willfully misses…there is supposed to be a struggle. But no…Jhe should have won right out of the gate after 8 months away and entering last in a glorified Battle Royal. Because that was a good story? No. It wasn’t. Still, it's A story right? This here is "Rock is Roman's cousin." the photo on the nightstand isn't even the story. the f***ing story is Cody Rhodes was told he'd never be anything and left for 10 years to build himself up as a main eventer to come back and prove everyone who told him no wrong. It's literally his theme song. |
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Post by fw91 on Feb 4, 2024 16:11:16 GMT -5
Could you throw Seth in it. And make a winner take all 4 man unification tournament? I would just make it a four-way. Roman vs Rock vs Cody vs Seth. Winner takes all. Idk. I feel like if Roman is ever going to drop the title, it should be a one on one match |
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Feb 4, 2024 16:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by Dub H on Feb 4, 2024 16:11:44 GMT -5
Still, it's A story right? This here is "Rock is Roman's cousin." the photo on the nightstand isn't even the story. the f***ing story is Cody Rhodes was told he'd never be anything and left for 10 years to build himself up as a main eventer to come back and prove everyone who told him no wrong. It's literally his theme song. That was all Smokes and Mirror to me. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 4, 2024 16:11:59 GMT -5
To give more context. Black Adam is a Shazam villain(same powers, literally Evil Shazam) and its his ICONIC Rival. Its the Joker to Shazam's Batman. And Shazam is one of those that long time comic readers really like and want to see be given a fair shot. And Rock was cast in the role, except The Rock decided he didnt want to be a villain in a movie. He wanted his own movie, which he then wanted to lead into a movie against Superman,completely ignoring his origin. And the movie flopped,hard.And it also ended with the Shazam movie having a really lackluster story. I want to throw in a personal comic book fan rant about how it's not like Black Adam being treated as a hero was 100% on Dwayne. Adam was the precious baby pet character of Geoff Johns, the guy who was put in charge of how DC properties get adapted and whose decision is, nearly 100% of the time, "make it whichever version I wrote." (That worked great for Aquaman, disastrously for Green Lantern, decently enough for The Flash on TV, poorly for The Flash as a movie.) The big Black Adam story arc adapted for the movie, while being a story arc that got me to quit reading the comic it was published in, was one of Johns' signature stories. Many of the problems with the movie were pretty likely to arise from an entirely separate egotist that the Rock's demands were relatively compatible with. Hard disagree on your take on Geoff Johns' work with Black Adam (Black Reign is a classic story for a reason). That said, that wasn't even the problem. The problem was that the character Dwayne was playing also barely resembles the character in the comics. In the comics, Black Adam was an anti-villain, not an anti-hero. While he has admirable traits and isn't some moustache twirling baddie, he's also the kind of guy who thinks ripping criminals in half on international television is perfectly rational behavior. He's a complex character, but he's very much not the good guy (not usually, anyways). Rocky was so afraid of doing anything even somewhat morally ambiguous so you end up with him basically playing the same character he plays in everything else. None of the nuance was there, none of the character development for Black Adam or the JSA that made that story good was there. All because The Rock wanted to take a b level villain and turn him into the main character of the DCEU. |
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Post by Lupin the Third on Feb 4, 2024 16:13:27 GMT -5
I'd have nothing against Sid powerbombing both The Rock and Roman. I mean, Roman might be the Head of the Table, but Sid is the MASTER and RULER of the World. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 4, 2024 16:14:03 GMT -5
Another thing that sticks out to me is all that crowing that was done by guys like Heyman about how they’re in the “fourth inning of the story” or whatever and…there is no story! Outside of Sami’s run with the group, it’s just the same stuff on repeat every time! Maybe he said it slightly in character, but combined with them apparently having tons of creative control over this title run, it brings me back to what I said before: this promotion is focused on characters who fit certain molds and archetypes, not stories. It’s an environment where the journey means very, very little, while everything is focused on the destination (e.g. Mania being the only show that *really* matters, more focus always being on who won/lost and not *how* things happened, etc.). Hell the bloodline was running on fumes before Sami boosted it back up... then Cody's run for the title kept it coasting to what should have been the finish line. EVERY Roman match since this title run has gone the same exact way, and people were sick of it before Sami proving how charismatic he was. |
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Feb 4, 2024 16:16:02 GMT -5
I personally think referring to people as a bitch and all this “bitchalla” stuff is obnoxious and juvenile. Instead, we could always try going "All In-" with our adjectives when describing Cody--his gimmick, his booking, his position on the card, his status as a babyface contender, etc. Ineffectual. Incoherent. Indecisive. Incorrect. Incompetent. Inadequate. Inauspicious. Infuriating. Inconsiderate. Incapable. Inconsistent. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 4, 2024 16:20:22 GMT -5
I want to throw in a personal comic book fan rant about how it's not like Black Adam being treated as a hero was 100% on Dwayne. Adam was the precious baby pet character of Geoff Johns, the guy who was put in charge of how DC properties get adapted and whose decision is, nearly 100% of the time, "make it whichever version I wrote." (That worked great for Aquaman, disastrously for Green Lantern, decently enough for The Flash on TV, poorly for The Flash as a movie.) The big Black Adam story arc adapted for the movie, while being a story arc that got me to quit reading the comic it was published in, was one of Johns' signature stories. Many of the problems with the movie were pretty likely to arise from an entirely separate egotist that the Rock's demands were relatively compatible with. Hard disagree on your take on Geoff Johns' work with Black Adam (Black Reign is a classic story for a reason). That said, that wasn't even the problem. The problem was that the character Dwayne was playing also barely resembles the character in the comics. In the comics, Black Adam was an anti-villain, not an anti-hero. While he has admirable traits and isn't some moustache twirling baddie, he's also the kind of guy who thinks ripping criminals in half on international television is perfectly rational behavior. He's a complex character, but he's very much not the good guy (not usually, anyways). Rocky was so afraid of doing anything even somewhat morally ambiguous so you end up with him basically playing the same character he plays in everything else. None of the nuance was there, none of the character development for Black Adam or the JSA that made that story good was there. All because The Rock wanted to take a b level villain and turn him into the main character of the DCEU. they didn't even really follow Geoff's vision for Green Lantern... outside of Parallax being a thing instead of Hal. That movie's biggest problem is still that it was 3 full movies shoved into one. Either Hal is new at being the lantern outside of the corps. Hal has been on Earth for a while and is then pulled to OA to officially join the Corps. and a more seasoned Hal face off against Parallax... they decided they would do all of that... so none of it had any time to actually mean anything... like Hammond is on screen for like 10 minutes. |
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Post by DichEvans on Feb 4, 2024 16:20:33 GMT -5
The thing with the whole 'oh but the head of the table stuff has been set up' is like... Then you have Cody win last year's Mania match, so the story becomes Reigns losing his belt but he has to try and justify it, titles change hands and maybe he'll get the belt back at some point, but even without it he's still the head of the table. But now he has a more perilous position keeping the Bloodline together, only able to do so by asserting his authority through sheer brutality rather than the champ making the rules. Then when you have the Rock/Roman match it's for that more literal title rather than a belt. ... But that's just from a storytelling position, the real bizarre thing is that Cody, the guy who wasn't in the company when everything was happening and still gave the best and most honest answer at the press conference that his boss failed to about the Vince McMahon situation, is the only person getting a demotion. Like I and a few others have said, all of Roman's stories make more sense if he loses last year. the bloodline crumbling Jey and Jimmy leaving and Roman doing what he can to hold his stable together, including getting Jimmy back in the fold. and then THE ROCK shows up. Last year, all his feuds hit really well. The stories were great. THIS year, outside of LA Knight, there has been nothing memorable about his run. Say he retains, where exactly is he supposed to go? Have a third feud with Kevin Owens? Have a third feud with the Usos? People forget, that in the pandemic era shows, he ran through a lot of the roster, and then last year cycled back through them. |
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Feb 4, 2024 16:25:33 GMT -5
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Post by Tom Turkey on Feb 4, 2024 16:30:15 GMT -5
Just saw this on my Twitter timeline and how the event on Thursday could go for an *easy* pivot if the backlash gets even worse by then.
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Post by Chiral on Feb 4, 2024 16:35:32 GMT -5
Rock vs. Roman in the first WWE event inside the Vegas Sphere, the quality of wrestling won't matter when the surrounding trons are blaring all kinds of distracting graphics and such, GET HYPE
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 4, 2024 16:38:20 GMT -5
It's the same nonsense as having Roman cheat worse than the Honky Tonk Man and constantly have babyfaces get visual pins on him, but making the announcers present him as a "God mode" world killer; that isn't a story. . not focusing on this particular match... This is probably the worst part of Roman's title run to me. The announcers are all like oh well he cheats but what are you going to do he's just better than other people. How many defenses has Roman won clean? I honestly can't name any offhand |
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Post by Citizen Snips on Feb 4, 2024 16:41:57 GMT -5
not focusing on this particular match... This is probably the worst part of Roman's title run to me. The announcers are all like oh well he cheats but what are you going to do he's just better than other people. How many defenses has Roman won clean? I honestly can't name any offhand It had an awful finish but he beat Finn Balor clean. At Extreme Rules nonetheless, where interference would have been legal. |
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Post by Tom Turkey on Feb 4, 2024 16:42:53 GMT -5
Rock vs. Roman in the first WWE event inside the Vegas Sphere, the quality of wrestling won't matter when the surrounding trons are blaring all kinds of distracting graphics and such, GET HYPE WrestleMania 41 inside the Las Vegas Sphere would kinda go hard, ngl. |
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Feb 4, 2024 16:44:55 GMT -5
Rock vs. Roman in the first WWE event inside the Vegas Sphere, the quality of wrestling won't matter when the surrounding trons are blaring all kinds of distracting graphics and such, GET HYPE  HALT. YOU THERE! |
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