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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 9, 2024 11:19:54 GMT -5
It's going to turn out that Cody and Rock were in cahoots the entire time, with Rock letting Roman think he's on the Bloodline's side so he can act as Cody's secret weapon against Bloodline interference. The Rock isn't going to let himself come out of this as anything but a clever babyface who is technically responsible for Cody's big win. Mark my words. Not sure if that will happen but Rock and Cody would be the smartest babyfaces ever if this is all a plan to stop the Bloodline from screwing Cody over again. Imagine Roman thinking he has Rock, Solo and Jimmy all in his corner for 2 months with little hints of dissension between Roman/Rock then on the night there's a ref bump and Roman laughs thinking they're all going to take out Cody but Rock slowly turns, deals with Solo and Jimmy and Roman is left alone to face and lose to Cody. If they want Rock to come out of this being cheered by the end of Mania that would be the way to do it and also lead into Roman/Rock non-title at either Summerslam or next Mania. Typing that made me realize if that happened Rock would basically be Mike Tyson in 98. Acting friendly towards the heels for 2 months then at Mania he refuses to help them and raises the faces hand in the end. Honestly, this is probably what will happen. That said, I think it'd be more interesting if Rock turned out to be even more evil than Roman and Roman had to atone for his sins to take down Rock and the gang. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 9, 2024 11:21:25 GMT -5
“Well it doesn’t make much sense narratively” Who gives a f***? People who care about narrative structure? "This story doesn't make any sense," isn't exactly a fickle complaint. |
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Post by Tom Turkey on Feb 9, 2024 11:22:35 GMT -5
Not sure if that will happen but Rock and Cody would be the smartest babyfaces ever if this is all a plan to stop the Bloodline from screwing Cody over again. Imagine Roman thinking he has Rock, Solo and Jimmy all in his corner for 2 months with little hints of dissension between Roman/Rock then on the night there's a ref bump and Roman laughs thinking they're all going to take out Cody but Rock slowly turns, deals with Solo and Jimmy and Roman is left alone to face and lose to Cody. If they want Rock to come out of this being cheered by the end of Mania that would be the way to do it and also lead into Roman/Rock non-title at either Summerslam or next Mania. Typing that made me realize if that happened Rock would basically be Mike Tyson in 98. Acting friendly towards the heels for 2 months then at Mania he refuses to help them and raises the faces hand in the end. Honestly, this is probably what will happen. That said, I think it'd be more interesting if Rock turned out to be even more evil than Roman and Roman had to atone for his sins to take down Rock and the gang. This is honestly more interesting than Rock faking being part of the Bloodline. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Feb 9, 2024 11:22:58 GMT -5
“Well it doesn’t make much sense narratively” Who gives a f***? People who care about narrative structure? "This story doesn't make any sense," isn't exactly a fickle complaint. In wrestling it doesn’t matter. I know that’s probably a hot take but it really doesn’t. Fans decide where things go much more in wrestling than most other mediums. You throw away any plans you may have if the paying customer demands something else. |
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Post by Snaptastic on Feb 9, 2024 11:23:30 GMT -5
“Well it doesn’t make much sense narratively” Who gives a f***? People who care about narrative structure? "This story doesn't make any sense," isn't exactly a fickle complaint. I do think some elements of the IWC do have a habit of over analysing every minute aspect of a storyline. Sometimes it's easier to just roll with it and see where it goes. Even if it does make no sense. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 9, 2024 11:27:45 GMT -5
The big question in all this - who does Manu side with?  |
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Post by SneakMan on Feb 9, 2024 11:29:12 GMT -5
People who care about narrative structure? "This story doesn't make any sense," isn't exactly a fickle complaint. When people say “WWE is the storytelling company” what they really mean is “WWE focuses on promos, angles, and M O M E N T S.” Their actual ability to tell a cohesive story is horrendous most of the time. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 9, 2024 11:29:21 GMT -5
See I will agree that rasslin is the one place to look for coherent stories. Otherwise it'd fall apart after someone went from face to heel or vice versa more than once
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Post by ssdrivin on Feb 9, 2024 11:31:13 GMT -5
I’d push back on the pointless part. They’ve increased interest in the story and Mania, and reinvigorated the Bloodline story when it’s kind of been limping along for months. It feels fresher now than if Cody simply called out Roman in a rinse and repeat of last year. A lot of the interest in the story until last night was “they can’t possibly be this f***ing stupid.” On the off-chance this was the plan from the beginning, playing on your history of screwing the pooch by going “hey, we might screw the pooch again here, aren’t you hoping we don’t do that?” isn’t some storytelling masterstroke. I'd have to think that most people who are going to watch it would've been watching regardless of any of this mess, so the people you'd want to be trying to reach (especially with The Rock involved) would be the lapsed fans... who are lapsed fans for a reason and there's no universe in which loudly demonstrating (even as a work) that you're still the same shitty company with the same shitty booking as before the merger, or Vince leaving, or HHH's NXT makes any sense as a selling point.
Nonsensical misery booking is a large part of why I stopped watching regularly, then entirely, so as I've said a few times since the Rumble it's incredibly disappointing that after hearing all the hype about the company having turned a corner (or several) we're here talking about this right now. It reeks of "same old WWE" even if they really have changed.
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Post by dbsot on Feb 9, 2024 11:32:19 GMT -5
The big question in all this - who does Manu side with? I want so badly for Roman and Rock to say this whole thing started because Manu was kicked out of Legacy. The real story needs to finish. |
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Post by Tom Turkey on Feb 9, 2024 11:33:24 GMT -5
The big question in all this - who does Manu side with? I want so badly for Roman and Rock to say this whole thing started because Manu was kicked out of Legacy. The real story needs to finish. Then Manu returns and sides with Cody, revealing he was right to kick him out of Legacy. |
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Post by Fade on Feb 9, 2024 11:34:18 GMT -5
People who care about narrative structure? "This story doesn't make any sense," isn't exactly a fickle complaint. In wrestling it doesn’t matter. I know that’s probably a hot take but it really doesn’t. Fans decide where things go much more in wrestling than most other mediums. You throw away any plans you may have if the paying customer demands something else. That’s the beauty of wresting man, you can pivot. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Feb 9, 2024 11:38:56 GMT -5
In wrestling it doesn’t matter. I know that’s probably a hot take but it really doesn’t. Fans decide where things go much more in wrestling than most other mediums. You throw away any plans you may have if the paying customer demands something else. That’s the beauty of wresting man, you can pivot. There is so much more damage you can do in wrestling by stubbornly barging on ahead with something nobody wants than simply adapting. Even if it requires a serious suspension of disbelief. |
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Feb 9, 2024 11:41:41 GMT -5
Not sure if that will happen but Rock and Cody would be the smartest babyfaces ever if this is all a plan to stop the Bloodline from screwing Cody over again. Imagine Roman thinking he has Rock, Solo and Jimmy all in his corner for 2 months with little hints of dissension between Roman/Rock then on the night there's a ref bump and Roman laughs thinking they're all going to take out Cody but Rock slowly turns, deals with Solo and Jimmy and Roman is left alone to face and lose to Cody. If they want Rock to come out of this being cheered by the end of Mania that would be the way to do it and also lead into Roman/Rock non-title at either Summerslam or next Mania. Typing that made me realize if that happened Rock would basically be Mike Tyson in 98. Acting friendly towards the heels for 2 months then at Mania he refuses to help them and raises the faces hand in the end. Honestly, this is probably what will happen. That said, I think it'd be more interesting if Rock turned out to be even more evil than Roman and Roman had to atone for his sins to take down Rock and the gang. Paul Heyman with a heel Rock would be an all timer pairing |
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 9, 2024 11:41:59 GMT -5
People who care about narrative structure? "This story doesn't make any sense," isn't exactly a fickle complaint. When people say “WWE is the storytelling company” what they really mean is “WWE focuses on promos, angles, and M O M E N T S.” Their actual ability to tell a cohesive story is horrendous most of the time. There was that famous story of a writer who was mocked for trying to have SOME kind of continuity in WWE. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 9, 2024 11:54:51 GMT -5
"Telling a good story doesn't matter in wrestling"
f***in'. Pack it up boys.
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Post by 4real on Feb 9, 2024 11:55:48 GMT -5
The big question in all this - who does Manu side with? The Glazers. |
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Post by Sparkybob on Feb 9, 2024 11:57:01 GMT -5
I don't think you ever have to hand it to the WWE for it's storytelling, but in the end of the day, you can't always predict how fans will react
Last year some people were certain Cody would have gotten booed because it wasn't Sami getting the main event match, but it didn't happen. I have seen numerous people saying Bianca or Seth will get boo'd for their babyface pushes and it didn't happen either. I don't think booking is so easy because you are dealing with fans reacting to things in live action and they aren't always rational (Rock promo when he came back got a lot of cheers).
So does the journey matter? I guess it does but Kofimania was still a sweet moment even though the booking to get there was rough. But people remember the end goal.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Feb 9, 2024 11:58:03 GMT -5
Look, I’m not trying to imply that narrative structure in wrestling or any genre period isn’t important. No, they shouldn’t have tried to put Rock in the match. Yes, the WWE writers fixed a problem that shouldn’t have been broken to start, I agree. What *I* don’t get is this seething and continued angry tone in the last few pages that the booking mistake happened. Well just like ten years ago, they made an adjustment and presumably it ought to lead to an entertaining weekend coming up. Are you guys so mad to where your excitement’s totally gone now?
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Post by Snaptastic on Feb 9, 2024 11:59:15 GMT -5
Look, I’m not trying to imply that narrative structure in wrestling or any genre period isn’t important. No, they shouldn’t have tried to put Rock in the match. Yes, the WWE writers fixed a problem that shouldn’t have been broken to start, I agree. What *I* don’t get is this seething and continued angry tone in the last few pages that the booking mistake happened. Well just like ten years ago, they made an adjustment and presumably it ought to lead to an entertaining weekend coming up. Are you guys so mad to where your excitement’s totally gone now? Worth noting a loud minority online have a hate boner for Dwayne which exacerbates it a bit. |
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