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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 4, 2023 12:48:40 GMT -5
I don’t understand why they would need to book him to ‘overcome’ adversity/struggle when the dude literally worked a major PPV match visibly gruesomely injured and then spent months heroically working his way back to win the Rumble. That’s the story right there and it wrote itself. Baffling. They spent months promoting it, too. The moment some thought Drew had no chance of winning was when a Cody video was shown the week before Clash at the Castle. |
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Apr 4, 2023 12:49:41 GMT -5
I don’t understand why they would need to book him to ‘overcome’ adversity/struggle when the dude literally worked a major PPV match visibly gruesomely injured and then spent months heroically working his way back to win the Rumble. That’s the story right there and it wrote itself. Baffling. Shit, I didn't even take that into account. Cody literally beat a four-time time champ in Rollins with a horrible looking torn pec. Literally, in both real life and kayfabe, how can you overcome great odds? ...well, I guess did Roman beat leukemia... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2023 13:01:41 GMT -5
On top of what has already been said, if you have your babyfaces constantly having to battle adversity then they need to finally win at the right moment. Take WM 14 for example. Austin has never been world champ and is going against DX plus Mike f***ing Tyson. The Raw before the PPV is him getting his ass beat and talked trash to while he's tied up in the ropes. That logical adversity for a babyface to overcome. How is Austin supposed to not only beat HBK but HBK with Tyson on his side? And then, though perseverance, he did so at the exact right time. It's really not that hard to figure out. Is Cody buried after all of this...probably not. But damn, you cut his legs right out from under him between losing to Roman, his promo ackowledging Roman as the "better man" and then getting destroyed by Brock in 24 hours. If WWE booked Austin vs. HBK today, they’d have Stone Cold lose because Mike Tyson punched him out. Then on Raw, he’d cut one promo about the match, only to get beat up by Kurrgan or something. If WWE always booked the way they do now, Hulk Hogan would have instantly submitted to the Camel Clutch and shat his trunks on the way up the ramp for good measure. Then he'd come out on TV to tell the Iron Sheik how awesome he is, only to receive a ten-minute beatdown from Bob Backlund. Then the WWF would have blamed Hogan for not getting this whole "Hulkamania" thing over. |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Apr 4, 2023 13:02:36 GMT -5
Will Washington is fast becoming the guy I think speaks the most sense with wrestling Batista on his own kills the “he needs a struggle” argument. If anything, he was the first guy in a while that HHH was f***ing terrified about going after the Rumble, hence the attempted manipulation, because if there was a guy familiar with HHH’s bullshit first hand, besides Flair, it was Batista. And I’ll say what I said in the other threads; the crowd was into him. The crowd was watching his segments, the crowd was buying his merch, the crowd was cheering him every time he appeared even in video form. It’s pro wrestling, those things used to be all you needed. The f*** else did you need? They just want to get to 1,000, make the money off WE THE ONE THOUSANDS t-shirts and call it a day. That's all they care about. The "he needs more adversity" and "the story always continues" nonsense is just bullshit. I think sometimes I've given the company more benefit of the doubt than others around here, but there's literally nothing that can be done to convince me that Sunday won't wind up being in the top 2-3 really bad booking mistakes in WrestleMania history. Austin going heel will likely always be tops, but this feels like a pretty awful f***up on their part. If you didn't want to go with Cody - have somebody eliminate him in the Rumble and then have that be his Mania feud. Rollins/Cody 2 would have been fine. The problem is they had nobody else on the babyface side they could reheat fast enough without Rock around. Sacrificing everyone at the altar for Roman came around and bit them in the ass hard. I just spent $900 bucks to go sit ringside at MSG because I wanted to see Cody and how everything would shake out before Mania. I'm sitting here today and I will be damned if that company gets any more of my money for a long, long time. I bet I'm not the only one, either. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 4, 2023 13:10:15 GMT -5
Batista on his own kills the “he needs a struggle” argument. If anything, he was the first guy in a while that HHH was f***ing terrified about going after the Rumble, hence the attempted manipulation, because if there was a guy familiar with HHH’s bullshit first hand, besides Flair, it was Batista. And I’ll say what I said in the other threads; the crowd was into him. The crowd was watching his segments, the crowd was buying his merch, the crowd was cheering him every time he appeared even in video form. It’s pro wrestling, those things used to be all you needed. The f*** else did you need? They just want to get to 1,000, make the money off WE THE ONE THOUSANDS t-shirts and call it a day. That's all they care about. The "he needs more adversity" and "the story always continues" nonsense is just bullshit. I think sometimes I've given the company more benefit of the doubt than others around here, but there's literally nothing that can be done to convince me that Sunday won't wind up being in the top 2-3 really bad booking mistakes in WrestleMania history. Austin going heel will likely always be tops, but this feels like a pretty awful f***up on their part. If you didn't want to go with Cody - have somebody eliminate him in the Rumble and then have that be his Mania feud. Rollins/Cody 2 would have been fine. The problem is they had nobody else on the babyface side they could reheat fast enough without Rock around. Sacrificing everyone at the altar for Roman came around and bit them in the ass hard. I just spent $900 bucks to go sit ringside at MSG because I wanted to see Cody and how everything would shake out before Mania. I'm sitting here today and I will be damned if that company gets any more of my money for a long, long time. I bet I'm not the only one, either. And as I said if the getting him to 1000 days is really why they did it. They're idiots cause like no one really f***ing cares. And there always another milestone... Cause at 1000 well he's only 3 months away from 3 years... Etc |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 4, 2023 13:25:35 GMT -5
I just spent $900 bucks to go sit ringside at MSG because I wanted to see Cody and how everything would shake out before Mania. I'm sitting here today and I will be damned if that company gets any more of my money for a long, long time. I bet I'm not the only one, either. Honestly, I lost faith in WWE, HHH or Vince, being capable of booking a babyface moment years ago (Daniel Bryan was the fans basically demanding it rather than WWE giving it willingly) but fans like you were who I was more annoyed for. You and I debated over it after Sami lost and I eventually realized that this was happening so I accepted it because of how everything else was heading. And then he lost. And all that investment feels wasted, especially with how much you paid. Like…I can’t blame you for feeling how you are because it feels shit, especially for escapist media like wrestling. And without a good reason why kayfabe wise, it all feels pointless. It’s why I gave up and went to other avenues and I hope you find that place if you do. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 4, 2023 13:36:01 GMT -5
I just spent $900 bucks to go sit ringside at MSG because I wanted to see Cody and how everything would shake out before Mania. I'm sitting here today and I will be damned if that company gets any more of my money for a long, long time. I bet I'm not the only one, either. Honestly, I lost faith in WWE, HHH or Vince, being capable of booking a babyface moment years ago (Daniel Bryan was the fans basically demanding it rather than WWE giving it willingly) but fans like you were who I was more annoyed for. You and I debated over it after Sami lost and I eventually realized that this was happening so I accepted it because of how everything else was heading. And then he lost. And all that investment feels wasted, especially with how much you paid. Like…I can’t blame you for feeling how you are because it feels shit, especially for escapist media like wrestling. And without a good reason why kayfabe wise, it all feels pointless. It’s why I gave up and went to other avenues and I hope you find that place if you do. The dumbest part is... Strong Babyfaces with big moments is what the WWE has been built on since Vince Sr. Hell wrestling as a whole was backed on it. NWA may have had Flair as the champion but each territory had a top face that was there to take him on |
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 4, 2023 13:39:54 GMT -5
At least with Gunther there’s an actual record to build towards.
1,000 days is just an arbitrary number.
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Post by Tom Turkey on Apr 4, 2023 13:42:07 GMT -5
At least with Gunther there’s an actual record to build towards. 1,000 days is just an arbitrary number. And most of Gunther’s title wins are usually just him actually being a dominating force and not having Imperium Italy and Imperium Germany run interference. |
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Post by spagett on Apr 4, 2023 13:56:47 GMT -5
If the plan is to have Cody win the title at a later date then it's such a stupid decision and the same thing happened with Goldberg in 2003.
At Summerslam in the elimination chamber they finally seemed to be booking him correctly. He was WCW Goldberg again, just mowing through the opposition, an unstoppable monster babyface. The crowd were red hot and they were desperate for him to beat Triple H and win the title.
But nope, SWERVE!. Outside interference and the heel champion continues his long reign. The air sucked out of the building, you could sense there and then they'd blown it.
Goldberg eventually did win the title months later but it was too late, all momentum had gone and it wasn't close to being as big a deal.
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Post by The Captain on Apr 4, 2023 13:59:36 GMT -5
The only real record is Bruno's, which means Romey Rome's got about.... 5 more years left as champion, give or take a couple of months.
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Post by Celgress on Apr 4, 2023 14:25:05 GMT -5
Obviously, the American isn't ready, brother. Only those who follow the AEW Board will get this reference.  |
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Post by Tom Turkey on Apr 4, 2023 14:47:16 GMT -5
If the plan is to have Cody win the title at a later date then it's such a stupid decision and the same thing happened with Goldberg in 2003. At Summerslam in the elimination chamber they finally seemed to be booking him correctly. He was WCW Goldberg again, just mowing through the opposition, an unstoppable monster babyface. The crowd were red hot and they were desperate for him to beat Triple H and win the title. But nope, SWERVE!. Outside interference and the heel champion continues his long reign. The air sucked out of the building, you could sense there and then they'd blown it. Goldberg eventually did win the title months later but it was too late, all momentum had gone and it wasn't close to being as big a deal. and then a few months later, Goldberg just felt like nothing special and was well on his way out in that stinker of a match with Lesnar where the special referee was the one who got cheered. |
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Apr 4, 2023 14:49:50 GMT -5
i feel so bad for cody he doesn't deserve this his entire aura really is gone for now  |
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 4, 2023 14:57:24 GMT -5
At least with Gunther there’s an actual record to build towards. 1,000 days is just an arbitrary number. And most of Gunther’s title wins are usually just him actually being a dominating force and not having Imperium Italy and Imperium Germany run interference. Gunther also makes the dudes he faces look good. The dudes that face Roman usually just look like absolute bottlers.
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Post by Chiral on Apr 4, 2023 14:58:13 GMT -5
i feel so bad for cody he doesn't deserve this his entire aura really is gone for now There's something just so hopeless and despairing about Cody giving his all on a massive bet like this, lining up all the impossible dominoes almost perfectly, and then getting punched in the balls at the finish line because WWE f***ing sucks at this. |
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Post by Tom Turkey on Apr 4, 2023 15:00:26 GMT -5
And most of Gunther’s title wins are usually just him actually being a dominating force and not having Imperium Italy and Imperium Germany run interference. Gunther also makes the dudes he faces look good. The dudes that face Roman usually just look like absolute bottlers.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Apr 4, 2023 15:02:43 GMT -5
i feel so bad for cody he doesn't deserve this his entire aura really is gone for now There's something just so hopeless and despairing about Cody giving his all on a massive bet like this, lining up all the impossible dominoes almost perfectly, and then getting punched in the balls at the finish line because WWE f***ing sucks at this. that and how mean roman and heyman were about his dad to him in the build. i'm not saying its the same thing as the booker t/hhh storyline but it feels along those lines in terms of how cruel it feels. he deserves so much better than this in storyline and out of it |
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Post by mc74 on Apr 4, 2023 15:04:07 GMT -5
I don’t understand why they would need to book him to ‘overcome’ adversity/struggle when the dude literally worked a major PPV match visibly gruesomely injured and then spent months heroically working his way back to win the Rumble. That’s the story right there and it wrote itself. Baffling. Now that he lost, the whole point of the story is rendered moot. Yeah, he can still win the title, but it won't hold the same meaning because he lost on the grand stage, when the story was at its absolute peak. |
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Post by Chiral on Apr 4, 2023 15:06:32 GMT -5
There's something just so hopeless and despairing about Cody giving his all on a massive bet like this, lining up all the impossible dominoes almost perfectly, and then getting punched in the balls at the finish line because WWE f***ing sucks at this. that and how mean roman and heyman were about his dad to him in the build. i'm not saying its the same thing as the booker t/hhh storyline but it feels along those lines in terms of how cruel it feels. he deserves so much better than this in storyline and out of it Cruel really is the perfect word for it, which I guess is sadly perfect for the company booking just to go all "HA ha! You cared!" All the time. like I can't with that anymore it's just awful. |
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