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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 10:32:41 GMT -5
Well it's been reported morale is really low right now several people have asked for releases but there's no word on if they'll actually be granted, and then more ominous tweets that Friday might be the day we see a purge so... we'll see who is gonna be around and not probably as this week goes. I haven’t seen legitimate reports that several people already asked for releases. Only thing I saw from SRS was that talent indicated they might ask for a release if Vince stays in control like at Raw. Yeah almost everything being reported is speculation and the Grizzled Young Veterans situation has little if at all to do with Vince and likely wouldn't matter either way. It's funny how much people complain about doomsayers on the AEW board when this place and wrestling social is full of the sky is falling when it comes to WWE and they are potentially stronger than they have ever been. Atleast on the AEW side there are metrics that show that they are losing steam while WWE continues to explode upwards (stock, ratings, etc) and every single thing is over analyzed. It's a wild situation (edit: not once did I say or imply it is good tv mind you...but it's financially fruitful shit pal and we have come to see that is all the network cares about)
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 5, 2023 10:51:02 GMT -5
I haven’t seen legitimate reports that several people already asked for releases. Only thing I saw from SRS was that talent indicated they might ask for a release if Vince stays in control like at Raw. Yeah almost everything being reported is speculation and the Grizzled Young Veterans situation has little if at all to do with Vince and likely wouldn't matter either way. It's funny how much people complain about doomsayers on the AEW board when this place and wrestling social is full of the sky is falling when it comes to WWE and they are potentially stronger than they have ever been. Atleast on the AEW side there are metrics that show that they are losing steam while WWE continues to explode upwards (stock, ratings, etc) and every single thing is over analyzed. It's a wild situation (edit: not once did I say or imply it is good tv mind you...but it's financially fruitful shit pal and we have come to see that is all the network cares about) Oh no matter the feeling on any company, WWE is not gonna be losing money unless people stop going to shows. Which even now isn't impossible (again remember it wasn't that long ago the house show business was doing so bad WWE was cancelling shows and and were talking about doing it away completely). But that's going to take months of bad tv to really effect WWE. I will disagree that AEW is losing steam now. They absolutely did lose steam last year because of the holding pattern due to injuries (not even talking the All Out fiasco) and as I said to you in the AEW forum, I feel that Tony waited way too long to expand where AEW toured and I do think that hurt maximizing some growth, but again, I think sometimes people don't really appreciate where AEW is business wise as a company this soon... like even with a billionaire owner it's very improbable to be where they are. But that's a different discussion. But back to WWE, I think it's a matter of feel good vs looks good. The money will continue to come in which will make it difficult to change. but if shows like Monday become the norm? the feeling is going to keep getting negative and that could eventually effect parts of the bottom line (apathetic crowd, ticket sales being effected) but that's going to take months to effect as even before Vince was outed last year, WWE didn't have BAD tv per say. Wasn't well rounded, but what was good was good. AEW ticket sales for example (sorry to go back) took a hit because they legit almost did nothing after Punk got hurt in the summer so while matches were good, there wasn't much progression. So really took 3 months to feel that. I think if anything you're going to have to see a similar trend of WWE for business to be hurt
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 10:59:04 GMT -5
Yeah almost everything being reported is speculation and the Grizzled Young Veterans situation has little if at all to do with Vince and likely wouldn't matter either way. It's funny how much people complain about doomsayers on the AEW board when this place and wrestling social is full of the sky is falling when it comes to WWE and they are potentially stronger than they have ever been. Atleast on the AEW side there are metrics that show that they are losing steam while WWE continues to explode upwards (stock, ratings, etc) and every single thing is over analyzed. It's a wild situation (edit: not once did I say or imply it is good tv mind you...but it's financially fruitful shit pal and we have come to see that is all the network cares about) Oh no matter the feeling on any company, WWE is not gonna be losing money unless people stop going to shows. Which even now isn't impossible (again remember it wasn't that long ago the house show business was doing so bad WWE was cancelling shows and and were talking about doing it away completely). But that's going to take months of bad tv to really effect WWE. I will disagree that AEW is losing steam now. They absolutely did lose steam last year because of the holding pattern due to injuries (not even talking the All Out fiasco) and as I said to you in the AEW forum, I feel that Tony waited way too long to expand where AEW toured and I do think that hurt maximizing some growth, but again, I think sometimes people don't really appreciate where AEW is business wise as a company this soon... like even with a billionaire owner it's very improbable to be where they are. But that's a different discussion. But back to WWE, I think it's a matter of feel good vs looks good. The money will continue to come in which will make it difficult to change. but if shows like Monday become the norm? the feeling is going to keep getting negative and that could eventually effect parts of the bottom line (apathetic crowd, ticket sales being effected) but that's going to take months to effect as even before Vince was outed last year, WWE didn't have BAD tv per say. Wasn't well rounded, but what was good was good. AEW ticket sales for example (sorry to go back) took a hit because they legit almost did nothing after Punk got hurt in the summer so while matches were good, there wasn't much progression. So really took 3 months to feel that. I think if anything you're going to have to see a similar trend of WWE for business to be hurt I understand the argument and appreciate that we can have differing opinions without angst. I just think it also needs to be kept into consideration that WWE continued to profit without fans during the pandemic. It was a jarring realization that the programming or attendance has little if any effect on the business in today's instant access world. It's insane that the things that we embrace as fans no longer have any real merit to the WWE as a company. They could put these shows on without us and the board would be happier doing so in all actuality. Such a weird time to be a longtime fan but it’s also just strange to disregard how well they are doing despite themselves In the end I think Hunter would have pushed closer to Vince's gameplan then we imagined and we are possibly seeing that.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Apr 5, 2023 13:48:23 GMT -5
When were they ever in the lead? They beat NXT? Congrats.... Different people have different metrics. Personally, I think AEW is the better company. I base that on factors I think are important, Someone else might think WWE is better simply because they like the titantron better. ETA; I know you said lead, I sort of see the words as interchangeable If we're just talking general fan satisfaction and critical response, then I think AEW has always been ahead on that front. People were high on the HHH era relative to how much they despise Vince... but I'd still guess if you looked at the ratings polls on here Dynamite has always been ahead of Raw/Smackdown.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 5, 2023 15:41:10 GMT -5
Different people have different metrics. Personally, I think AEW is the better company. I base that on factors I think are important, Someone else might think WWE is better simply because they like the titantron better. ETA; I know you said lead, I sort of see the words as interchangeable If we're just talking general fan satisfaction and critical response, then I think AEW has always been ahead on that front. People were high on the HHH era relative to how much they despise Vince... but I'd still guess if you looked at the ratings polls on here Dynamite has always been ahead of Raw/Smackdown. Granted, RAW was doing much better on averages and even in some weeks were very close to Dynamite, maybe even passed them in the HHH era That era might be over though lol
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Post by mistery on Apr 5, 2023 15:58:33 GMT -5
Yeah almost everything being reported is speculation and the Grizzled Young Veterans situation has little if at all to do with Vince and likely wouldn't matter either way. It's funny how much people complain about doomsayers on the AEW board when this place and wrestling social is full of the sky is falling when it comes to WWE and they are potentially stronger than they have ever been. Atleast on the AEW side there are metrics that show that they are losing steam while WWE continues to explode upwards (stock, ratings, etc) and every single thing is over analyzed. It's a wild situation (edit: not once did I say or imply it is good tv mind you...but it's financially fruitful shit pal and we have come to see that is all the network cares about) Oh no matter the feeling on any company, WWE is not gonna be losing money unless people stop going to shows. Which even now isn't impossible (again remember it wasn't that long ago the house show business was doing so bad WWE was cancelling shows and and were talking about doing it away completely). But that's going to take months of bad tv to really effect WWE. I will disagree that AEW is losing steam now. They absolutely did lose steam last year because of the holding pattern due to injuries (not even talking the All Out fiasco) and as I said to you in the AEW forum, I feel that Tony waited way too long to expand where AEW toured and I do think that hurt maximizing some growth, but again, I think sometimes people don't really appreciate where AEW is business wise as a company this soon... like even with a billionaire owner it's very improbable to be where they are. But that's a different discussion. But back to WWE, I think it's a matter of feel good vs looks good. The money will continue to come in which will make it difficult to change. but if shows like Monday become the norm? the feeling is going to keep getting negative and that could eventually effect parts of the bottom line (apathetic crowd, ticket sales being effected) but that's going to take months to effect as even before Vince was outed last year, WWE didn't have BAD tv per say. Wasn't well rounded, but what was good was good. AEW ticket sales for example (sorry to go back) took a hit because they legit almost did nothing after Punk got hurt in the summer so while matches were good, there wasn't much progression. So really took 3 months to feel that. I think if anything you're going to have to see a similar trend of WWE for business to be hurt Jimmy Van talked about it today on The List and Ya Boy with SRS, but he feels pretty confident Vince isn't going to be around in another 6-8 months if the RAW we saw on Monday is the standard going forward. Endeavor already sorta sees him as a liability, and thinks Ari is just paying him lip service. And he cited the fact that Endeavor has 6 board seats to WWE's 5 on this new board, and you can assume one of the WWE board members will be Nick Khan, and another will likely be Triple H. So even if Nick and Triple H do vote to keep Vince on (and I doubt they would), he (Vince) would need to convince at least one board member on the Endeavor side to avoid being ousted. Because his stock isn't going to be voting stock in NewCo/TKO, so he can't rig the votes in his favor.
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Post by khali on Apr 5, 2023 16:13:48 GMT -5
Can we make “casual fan” one of those censored words that turns into something else when you type it
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Apr 5, 2023 16:25:00 GMT -5
Oh no matter the feeling on any company, WWE is not gonna be losing money unless people stop going to shows. Which even now isn't impossible (again remember it wasn't that long ago the house show business was doing so bad WWE was cancelling shows and and were talking about doing it away completely). But that's going to take months of bad tv to really effect WWE. I will disagree that AEW is losing steam now. They absolutely did lose steam last year because of the holding pattern due to injuries (not even talking the All Out fiasco) and as I said to you in the AEW forum, I feel that Tony waited way too long to expand where AEW toured and I do think that hurt maximizing some growth, but again, I think sometimes people don't really appreciate where AEW is business wise as a company this soon... like even with a billionaire owner it's very improbable to be where they are. But that's a different discussion. But back to WWE, I think it's a matter of feel good vs looks good. The money will continue to come in which will make it difficult to change. but if shows like Monday become the norm? the feeling is going to keep getting negative and that could eventually effect parts of the bottom line (apathetic crowd, ticket sales being effected) but that's going to take months to effect as even before Vince was outed last year, WWE didn't have BAD tv per say. Wasn't well rounded, but what was good was good. AEW ticket sales for example (sorry to go back) took a hit because they legit almost did nothing after Punk got hurt in the summer so while matches were good, there wasn't much progression. So really took 3 months to feel that. I think if anything you're going to have to see a similar trend of WWE for business to be hurt Jimmy Van talked about it today on The List and Ya Boy with SRS, but he feels pretty confident Vince isn't going to be around in another 6-8 months if the RAW we saw on Monday is the standard going forward. Endeavor already sorta sees him as a liability, and thinks Ari is just paying him lip service. And he cited the fact that Endeavor has 6 board seats to WWE's 5 on this new board, and you can assume one of the WWE board members will be Nick Khan, and another will likely be Triple H. So even if Nick and Triple H do vote to keep Vince on (and I doubt they would), he (Vince) would need to convince at least one board member on the Endeavor side to avoid being ousted. Because his stock isn't going to be voting stock in NewCo/TKO, so he can't rig the votes in his favor. OK but how many people are gonna be that patient.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 5, 2023 16:31:14 GMT -5
Nah, HHH going “well, DUMMIES, if you wait, the story will pan out” and then almost IMMEDIATELY the news drops that he will, in fact, not be finishing this particular story cause he was basically ousted is just…
Anybody got the curb your enthusiasm theme handy?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 16:40:49 GMT -5
6-8 months
And how many of those that HHH brought back are gonna be fired and TK scoop them up.
Pretty sure HHH doesn't wanna lose someone like Gargano to AEW for 5yrs the way he lost Cole because he has to know that if the likes of Bayley , IYO , Gargano get let go TK is grabbing them immediately because he would be stupid not to and then there is the possibility of Regal back in AEW again lol circle of life for that man lol.
Alot of these guys and gals would have to be insanely trusting to ride this out for almost another entire year with the hope that Vince gets the boot for good and HHH maybe gets to finally run this ship with no weird eyebrows man looming over him.
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Post by john84 on Apr 5, 2023 16:55:14 GMT -5
Nah, HHH going “well, DUMMIES, if you wait, the story will pan out” and then almost IMMEDIATELY the news drops that he will, in fact, not be finishing this particular story cause he was basically ousted is just… Anybody got the curb your enthusiasm theme handy? As requested
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Post by Dub H on Apr 5, 2023 16:56:48 GMT -5
Imagine expecting Triple H to be an honest person and not just another politician.
Still, he deserved more than having Vince rake up the success of HIM making the product a bigger deal.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Apr 5, 2023 17:32:25 GMT -5
Can we make “casual fan” one of those censored words that turns into something else when you type it "AEW has to learn how to appeal to Basketball Jones."
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 5, 2023 17:36:15 GMT -5
funny enough SRS said today on The List and Ya boy said that wrestlers think Vince told Hunter to cut that promo on Raw so Vince could just take the seat in gorilla and take charge
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Post by lionheart21 on Apr 5, 2023 17:41:44 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 17:43:41 GMT -5
So my understanding of the cuts were always for budgetary reasons in lieu of a sale...With the sale already agreed upon as it stands then where is all this talk of firings, cuts, etc coming from besides Vince being back?
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Apr 5, 2023 17:46:52 GMT -5
So my understanding of the cuts were always for budgetary reasons in lieu of a sale...With the sale already agreed upon as it stands then where is all this talk of firings, cuts, etc coming from besides Vince being back? The company that bought them was already in debt from buying the ufc and they just spent 9 billion more. Also, when companies merge, they like to fire people who have jobs they’re already paying people for. Ie the people in the office. Especially if they merge fight pass and wwe network. That’s the thing about the Saudi’s. we the fans might be disgusted with them, but they would have probably left the company structure as is since they don’t an American infrastructure to replace the wwe office worker jobs.
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Post by Chiral on Apr 5, 2023 17:46:58 GMT -5
My hopes and daydreams for a third pillar NA wrestling company (I made a thread about it forever ago but I hope for a sports entertainment-y one to fill the gaps that are left as Vince banks on Omos vs. Shanky types as the future) are gonna be in full swing soon, if they get as release happy as they were prior to Vince's temporary ousting there'll be enough talent from that alone for a company.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 17:49:14 GMT -5
So my understanding of the cuts were always for budgetary reasons in lieu of a sale...With the sale already agreed upon as it stands then where is all this talk of firings, cuts, etc coming from besides Vince being back? The company that bought them was already in debt from buying the ufc and they just spent 9 billion more. Also, when companies merge, they like to fire people who have jobs they’re already paying people for. Ie the people in the office. Especially if they merge fight pass and wwe network. That’s the thing about the Saudi’s. we the fans might be disgusted with them, but they would have probably left the company structure as is since they don’t an American infrastructure to replace the wwe office worker jobs. I undestand that but I haven't seen expressions of concern about office jobs though...These are specifically centered around talent
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Post by lionheart21 on Apr 5, 2023 17:50:10 GMT -5
So my understanding of the cuts were always for budgetary reasons in lieu of a sale...With the sale already agreed upon as it stands then where is all this talk of firings, cuts, etc coming from besides Vince being back? The company that bought them was already in debt from buying the ufc and they just spent 9 billion more. Also, when companies merge, they like to fire people who have jobs they’re already paying people for. Ie the people in the office. Especially if they merge fight pass and wwe network. That’s the thing about the Saudi’s. we the fans might be disgusted with them, but they would have probably left the company structure as is since they don’t an American infrastructure to replace the wwe office worker jobs. Also, Vince is petty enough to fire anyone that HHH signed back after Vince was forced out
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