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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 3, 2023 0:23:12 GMT -5
Sami, Cody and Drew are still big stars that wouldn’t really be any bigger if they’d won the title. Especially since Cody and Sami likely will be world champ within a year. If becoming world champion by ending a historic title reign in either your hometown or at the most watched Mania in history doesn't make you a bigger star...then what are we doing here folks? What will? And also, again, WWE has built an empire around Mania being where you are crowned. There are rare exceptions of course, but it's called the Road to Wrestlemania for a reason. And I just mentioned in another thread, does this mean that Roman's reign ending won't get a big pop? No. Does this mean that Cody/Sami winning the title in the future won't get a big reaction? No. But there are moments that can truly be special. You also always run the possibility that a wrestler doesn't carry momentum. We've seen it happen to wrestlers throughout history in feds all over the world. Sometimes a moment in time is all you have.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Apr 3, 2023 0:23:16 GMT -5
God, was this forum always so filled with personal grudges and drama between users? This community has gotten better in some ways but the bickering and shit flinging has gotten way worse in my eyes. Stop throwing barbs at each other over professional f***ing wrestling. You think it's bad here? I got f***ing dogpiled elsewhere because I was pissed over Bianca winning and Shane showing up and Roman winning, to the point where I got called a racist for it. This is NOTHING in comparison. Yikes. Sorry you went through that.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Apr 3, 2023 0:24:11 GMT -5
Sami, Cody and Drew are still big stars that wouldn’t really be any bigger if they’d won the title. Especially since Cody and Sami likely will be world champ within a year. If becoming world champion by ending a historic title reign in either your hometown or at the most watched Mania in history doesn't make you a bigger star...then what are we doing here folks? What will? I agree. That’s like saying if Ric Flair was beaten during the heyday of the Four Horseman, then that would kill the Four Horseman. Even Ric Flair lost the belt a few times during the peak Horseman years. Hell, TRIPLE H lost the belt a few times during the height of Evolution.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Apr 3, 2023 0:24:17 GMT -5
Man, I’m not sure I’m as out on Cody as I was on Drew … but Drew absolutely died to me as a main eventer after Clash.
We’ll see how I feel about Cody tomorrow, but right now he’s just a useless bitch like the rest of everyone Roman’s smashed.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 3, 2023 0:25:56 GMT -5
God, was this forum always so filled with personal grudges and drama between users? This community has gotten better in some ways but the bickering and shit flinging has gotten way worse in my eyes. Stop throwing barbs at each other over professional f***ing wrestling. You think it's bad here? I got f***ing dogpiled elsewhere because I was pissed over Bianca winning and Shane showing up and Roman winning, to the point where I got called a racist for it. This is NOTHING in comparison. Some takes here annoy me or can be eye popping... but this shit is why I post here and basically nowhere else when it comes to wrestling discussion. The farthest I go is memes on my Twitter and even then I get f***ing weirdos in the comment section I'm very thankful FAN exists for discussion, even if there's disagreements or spats or things go too far sometimes... it's the most sane place for wrestling discussion I've found
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Apr 3, 2023 0:26:10 GMT -5
You think it's bad here? I got f***ing dogpiled elsewhere because I was pissed over Bianca winning and Shane showing up and Roman winning, to the point where I got called a racist for it. This is NOTHING in comparison. Yikes. Sorry you went through that. I once got implied I was a racist *here* because I didn’t like Kofi and another person of color at the same time. “The optics aren’t good, and it makes you think.” Fxxx that.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Apr 3, 2023 0:26:23 GMT -5
God, was this forum always so filled with personal grudges and drama between users? This community has gotten better in some ways but the bickering and shit flinging has gotten way worse in my eyes. Stop throwing barbs at each other over professional f***ing wrestling. You think it's bad here? I got f***ing dogpiled elsewhere because I was pissed over Bianca winning and Shane showing up and Roman winning, to the point where I got called a racist for it. This is NOTHING in comparison. Oh its still definitely better here than anywhere else I've seen online I admit. But the culture here, at least when it comes to personal conflict, definitly feels worse than it used to be. Idk if its just because WWE has a legit competitor now or what. But it just... feels worse here than it did. Maybe it was happening and I wasnt paying attention. I was inactive for awhile.
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Apr 3, 2023 0:27:31 GMT -5
Yeah attendance is through the roof, the company is going to sell for exactly what they wanted and they are as mainstream as they have ever been. Such a failure. WCW were setting North American wrestling attendance records in 1998 while sowing the seeds for what happened to them a couple of years later (flogging the NWO to death getting it overexposed, giving Hogan v Goldberg away on free tv etc).
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Apr 3, 2023 0:27:59 GMT -5
Yikes. Sorry you went through that. I once got implied I was a racist *here* because I didn’t like Kofi and another person of color at the same time. “The optics aren’t good, and it makes you think.” Fxxx that. I think I might have participated in that? If so I'm sorry. I'm not perfect and I'm a huge Kofi fanboy so I probably got overprotective if I did. Because I at least do remember this happening.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 3, 2023 0:29:16 GMT -5
Idk man when I'm starting to see defenses of this boil down to "Idk does the world title REALLY matter for anyone else? Do they REALLY need to win it??" I'm starting to feel like a shark has been jumped here...
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Apr 3, 2023 0:29:38 GMT -5
Yeah attendance is through the roof, the company is going to sell for exactly what they wanted and they are as mainstream as they have ever been. Such a failure. WCW were setting North American wrestling attendance records in 1998 while sowing the seeds for what happened to them a couple of years later (flogging the NWO to death getting it overexposed, giving Hogan v Goldberg away on free tv etc). I see a lot of parallels with Roman's dominance and the nWo never truly having their definitive end (and limping along even after Starrcade). Make of that what you will.
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Post by DichEvans on Apr 3, 2023 0:29:54 GMT -5
If becoming world champion by ending a historic title reign in either your hometown or at the most watched Mania in history doesn't make you a bigger star...then what are we doing here folks? What will? And also, again, WWE has built an empire around Mania being where you are crowned. There are rare exceptions of course, but it's called the Road to Wrestlemania for a reason. And I just mentioned in another thread, does this mean that Roman's reign ending won't get a big pop? No. Does this mean that Cody/Sami winning the title in the future won't get a big reaction? No. But there are moments that can truly be special. You also always run the possibility that a wrestler doesn't carry momentum. We've seen it happen to wrestlers throughout history in feds all over the world. Sometimes a moment in time is all you have. Bit of a broken record, but paid to see this show and Rumble. A few thousand all in. He does not seem to care or even notice fans keep going home disappointed. When I grew up in the Hogan era, my family took me to a lot of shows and I honestly can't remember one time I left sad. Now when I leave, it seems to be the norm. it's honestly just depressing seeing kids leave a wrestling event with their heads down
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Apr 3, 2023 0:29:55 GMT -5
People can call me whatever they want as long as they don't accuse me of being a Gallus fan. {Spoiler}I'm truly joking and I mean no offense to anyone who is a Gallus fan.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Apr 3, 2023 0:30:09 GMT -5
I once got implied I was a racist *here* because I didn’t like Kofi and another person of color at the same time. “The optics aren’t good, and it makes you think.” Fxxx that. I think I might have participated in that? If so I'm sorry. I'm not perfect and I'm a huge Kofi fanboy so I probably got overprotective if I did. Because I at least do remember this happening. I don’t remember the person but it definitely made me quit my outbursts about some people for awhile. If it was you, apology accepted!
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Post by deezy on Apr 3, 2023 0:31:17 GMT -5
Sami, Cody and Drew are still big stars that wouldn’t really be any bigger if they’d won the title. Especially since Cody and Sami likely will be world champ within a year. Ok you are officially just saying shit to try and justify this booking and this run because... WHAT? Drew winning in his home country would have made him a bigger star, Sami winning in Montreal would have made him a bigger star, Cody winning at Mania in front of everyone, his family, and Brodie would have absolutely made him a bigger star This is the Undisputed World Title, this is the longest reign WWE's had in decades. This by default, makes anyone an even bigger star, in those moments especially. It is absolutely insane to me that you'd even present this point and be serious about it... this shit matters, and given where Drew is, not having renewed his deal with WWE yet, it might matter for the talent in the end too that waiting and seeing doesn't always work out. I don't think he's saying shit just to say it for defending sake. I just don't think he is being hyperbolic about the situation and saying this doesn't ruin Cody or the company. He's just giving you his point of view. And if he was defending a bad booking decision then you of all people should understand that. And I don't mean that as a swipe at you. Regardless, he shouldn't be getting be ganged up on because his opinion is different.
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Post by MrElijah on Apr 3, 2023 0:32:02 GMT -5
All they had to do was just have Cody go over. It was right there! Now WWE is the LA Chargers in the playoffs: expected to cock it up at the critical moment.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Apr 3, 2023 0:34:13 GMT -5
People can call me whatever they want as long as they don't accuse me of being a Gallus fan. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}I'm truly joking and I mean no offense to anyone who is a Gallus fan. {Spoiler} #GBOT
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 3, 2023 0:34:13 GMT -5
Ok you are officially just saying shit to try and justify this booking and this run because... WHAT? Drew winning in his home country would have made him a bigger star, Sami winning in Montreal would have made him a bigger star, Cody winning at Mania in front of everyone, his family, and Brodie would have absolutely made him a bigger star This is the Undisputed World Title, this is the longest reign WWE's had in decades. This by default, makes anyone an even bigger star, in those moments especially. It is absolutely insane to me that you'd even present this point and be serious about it... this shit matters, and given where Drew is, not having renewed his deal with WWE yet, it might matter for the talent in the end too that waiting and seeing doesn't always work out. I don't think he's saying shit just to say it for defending sake. I just don't think he is being hyperbolic about the situation and saying this doesn't ruin Cody or the company. He's just giving you his point of view. And if he was defending a bad booking decision then you of all people should understand that. And I don't mean that as a swipe at you. Regardless, he shouldn't be getting be ganged up on because his opinion is different. I don't normally defend bad booking decisions, I try to see some things out while admitting I might not get it or don't like it, sometimes they work out, and then sometimes they don't work out, in WWE's case they give me almost no incentive to "Wait and see" because they almost never deliver and whiff to obscene levels I'm not trying to gang up on him, but no matter how you shake it or the intent, saying beating a historic reign in front of some of the biggest crowds ever, some of them their home countries or home states, just... that's not true, they would be bigger stars, beating Roman and getting the world title in those instances makes them bigger stars, and each one they lost, and it sucked. Cody might not be ruined but it does hurt him, and the company doesn't care as they're about to get sold for 9 million, it just sucks as a fan to expect the easiest thing in the world to happen and they set it all on fire tbh
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Apr 3, 2023 0:35:03 GMT -5
People can call me whatever they want as long as they don't accuse me of being a Gallus fan. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}I'm truly joking and I mean no offense to anyone who is a Gallus fan. {Spoiler}{Spoiler} #GBOT
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 3, 2023 0:36:15 GMT -5
I'm so old I remember last night when this was the greatest WrestleMania in the history of the world and nothing they could ever do in the future could possibly top it.
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