The All In General Discussion Thread

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

May 6, 2023 23:07:59 GMT -5 jm said:

May 6, 2023 23:06:10 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Yeah we've debated on what show could be AEW's Mania every year...

This is gonna be it, a yearly event like this where they likely go Global to big stadiums? This will be electric!

All In London has the chance to be AEW's Wrestlemania III.

Selling 70K without a match on it, imagine what the numbers only gonna grow to when matches DO get announced for it tbh.

[jm]

May 6, 2023 23:08:37 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

May 6, 2023 23:07:59 GMT -5 jm said:

All In London has the chance to be AEW's Wrestlemania III.

Selling 70K without a match on it, imagine what the numbers only gonna grow to when matches DO get announced for it tbh.

Yeah this card needs to be the best that TK has ever put together to be honest. This many people going to the show. You need to load it up like you've never loaded up any card before.

[Final Countdown Jones]

If they can get a great show with a crazy good European crowd in a huge stadium, the sheer feel of it is gonig to be an all-timer for an AEW crowd. Could be amazing. There's potential for real magic here

[lucaslawless]

I honestly hope there is no other UK show. I hope they pretape collision or put it on Friday night instead of Rampage.

They need to capitalise everything at Wembley, crowd reactions, the atmosphere, all first time for it to be 110% over the top and surreal.

The idea of them having TV tapings or a string of house shows a week earlier takes some of the light off of the stadium show imo.

What confused me is WWE do their UK tours with WWE LIVE for a week and travel around the UK selling 5-10k per venue (I'm assuming) with hotels, transport, logistics and set up costs for all the crew and wrestlers when they just could have ran one major show in the UK each year instead of the watered down house shows they usually put on. I guess they have their reasons but I don't see why they couldn't have alternated O2 Arena London and Bank Arena say in Liverpool each year. (Or another northern arena) or stadiums / arenas with 25/30k capacity

Would save them so much hassle of travelling half of the UK. I can only think Tony Khan has thought the same and thinking an actual UK tour would come with a ridiculous set up cost and no doubt compare or exceed the costings of hiring Wembley Stadium.

[Futureraven: Beelzebruv]

May 6, 2023 16:17:17 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

so the newest goal post moving from people on twitter is that the sales are only doing so well because Tony owns Wembley Stadium sighting his dad's attempt to buy Wembley in 2018 which was shut down

Ah yes because someone owning a venue means all events there will sell well.

I'm sure the Jags and Fulham have nothing but sold out record breaking crowds week in, week out.

[KME]

Yeah the whole Wembley being owned by the Khan's thing just shows someone being very, very out of touch at best.

The whole conspiracy thing is ridiculous. It's very much like with Covid, conspiracy theorists thinking the whole world would be able to cover up some big plot to shut down the world (for...reasons) despite the fact most governments are leaky as shit and incompetent to go with it. In the UK we were hearing of a new scandal every few weeks during lockdown, and I'm meant to believe those buffoons were not only keeping it quiet that Covid was a scam, but were doing so in correspondence with virtually every other nation on Earth, regardless of their political ideologies, as well as virtually all the doctors and scientists?

Obviously complete bollocks...and yet there's probably still more chance of that than pro wrestling, especially a very leaky AEW, being able to cover up Tony Khan buying Wembley on the sly with the whole of English football and the FA being in on it (again for...reasons) before Tony bought all the tickets himself with Ticketmaster and co in on that particular scam too and also covering it up? Who knew all those people were willing to go to such lengths for AEW, maybe Tony will just give the tickets to them since they're such big fans.

People will believe anything now or if they don't they'll just pretend to.

[The Captain]

The dumbest thing about the whole "Tony Khan really owns Wembley Stadium!" conspiracy theory is how easy it is to disprove.

Then again, conspiracy theorists only double down on their own lunacy when presented with proven facts.

[FinalGwen]

Well, certainly hoping that Will Ospreay isn't brought in for a guest spot at Wembley after today's news.

[SneakMan]

May 7, 2023 14:08:07 GMT -5 FinalGwen said:

Well, certainly hoping that Will Ospreay isn't brought in for a guest spot at Wembley after today's news.

What happened with Ospreay today? Been out of the loop. 

[FinalGwen]

May 7, 2023 14:16:49 GMT -5 SneakMan said:

May 7, 2023 14:08:07 GMT -5 FinalGwen said:

Well, certainly hoping that Will Ospreay isn't brought in for a guest spot at Wembley after today's news.

What happened with Ospreay today? Been out of the loop. 

He's got his nonce mate Paul Robinson rehired at Progress, basically undoing what tiny amounts of progress (ha) had been made since Speaking Out.

[SneakMan]

May 7, 2023 14:20:56 GMT -5 FinalGwen said:

He's got his nonce mate Paul Robinson rehired at Progress, basically undoing what tiny amounts of progress (ha) had been made since Speaking Out.

Ugh, Jesus f***ing Christ Will, you absolute dumbass.

[rajaah]

May 6, 2023 23:07:59 GMT -5 jm said:

May 6, 2023 23:06:10 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Yeah we've debated on what show could be AEW's Mania every year...

This is gonna be it, a yearly event like this where they likely go Global to big stadiums? This will be electric!

All In London has the chance to be AEW's Wrestlemania III.

That's the vibe I'm getting, and it really should be touted as such by the company.

Only question now is...what happens to All Out? I'd just replace it. Other possibilities: Make it the special Dynamite after All In. Or make it the October PPV and move Full Gear to Decembers, to make an even six PPVs per year like ECW did (also to separate DoN and FD a bit, DoN should move to April). Either of these would be a good choice IMO.

Also...is this technically gonna be regarded as All In II going forward? If 2024 has an All In, will that one be called All In III? I have a feeling they'll keep All Out in place and All In will be their "once every five years" mega-show, so All In III in 2028. I hope I'm wrong.

[rajaah]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=L67-DxNuo6c

Wait... Wrestlemania 32 only had 81k paid attendance?

what the hell is the actual attendance record then? 81k paid and 102k w/ comps? Way to muddy the waters WWE.

If AEW doesn't exaggerate the figure and doesn't do comps, they might legitimately have the highest-paid crowd in wrestling history if this is true.

[The Captain]

May 7, 2023 15:48:32 GMT -5 rajaah said:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=L67-DxNuo6c

Wait... Wrestlemania 32 only had 81k people?

what the hell is the actual attendance record then?

If AEW doesn't exaggerate the figure and doesn't do comps, they might legitimately have the highest-paid crowd in wrestling history if this is true.

Meltzer said the actual attendance was around 97,769 (apparently 93,730 paid + comps if I interpret my Meltzer-speak correctly). The 101k+ figure is by Vince McMahon and WWE's own admission for "entertainment purposes" but 93k-97k+ is still a very impressive number.

[Futureraven: Beelzebruv]

May 7, 2023 15:18:35 GMT -5 rajaah said:

May 6, 2023 23:07:59 GMT -5 jm said:

All In London has the chance to be AEW's Wrestlemania III.

That's the vibe I'm getting, and it really should be touted as such by the company.

Only question now is...what happens to All Out? I'd just replace it. Other possibilities: Make it the special Dynamite after All In. Or make it the October PPV and move Full Gear to Decembers, to make an even six PPVs per year like ECW did (also to separate DoN and FD a bit, DoN should move to April). Either of these would be a good choice IMO.

Also...is this technically gonna be regarded as All In II going forward? If 2024 has an All In, will that one be called All In III? I have a feeling they'll keep All Out in place and All In will be their "once every five years" mega-show, so All In III in 2028. I hope I'm wrong.

This will make All In a legendary name.

They've already established All Out.

The next step is clearly All Shake it All About.

[ASYLUMHAUSEN]

May 6, 2023 23:04:01 GMT -5 jm said:

Seeing how the seating chart is set up for All In with the long ramp to the ring, this stage setup used for the Canelo fight tonight would be perfect for All In:

See now you’ve got me dreaming of Wembley being the show where TK finally dishes out - at least for one night only like the Stones/Sympathy for the Devil - for ‘The Final Countdown’ for AmDrags match.

…I mean….

[Final Countdown Jones]

May 7, 2023 14:20:56 GMT -5 FinalGwen said:

May 7, 2023 14:16:49 GMT -5 SneakMan said:

What happened with Ospreay today? Been out of the loop. 

He's got his nonce mate Paul Robinson rehired at Progress, basically undoing what tiny amounts of progress (ha) had been made since Speaking Out.

Holy shit Ospreay never doesn't suck

[MrElijah]

May 4, 2023 1:54:28 GMT -5 ssdrivin said:

     6,000 ECW ^US (Anarchy Rulz @ Odeum Sports & Expo Center, IL ^US, 1999)
     8,100 TNA ^US (House show? @ Wembley Arena, London ^GB, 2009)
   20,177 AEW ^US (Dynamite Grand Slam @ Arthur Ashe Stadium, NY ^US, 2022) ^{(Previous AEW record)}
   38,000 NWA ^US (Pat O'Connor vs. Buddy Rogers @ Comiskey Park, IL ^US, 1961)
   41,412 WCW ^US (Nitro @ Georgia Dome, GA ^US, 1998)
>43,000 AEW ^US (All In @ Wembley Stadium, London ^GB, 2023) ^(Pre-Sale)
   57,127 UFC ^US (UFC 243 @ Marvel Stadium, Melbourne ^AU, 2019)
   58,250 FMW ^JP (6th Anniversary Show @ Kawasaki Stadium, Kawasaki ^JP, 1995)
   58,300 AJPW ^JP (25th Anniversary Show @ Tokyo Dome, Tokyo ^JP, 1998)
   60,000 UWF ^JP (U-Cosmos @ Tokyo Dome, Tokyo ^JP, 1989)
   62,000 NOAH ^JP (Destiny @ Tokyo Dome, Tokyo ^JP, 2005)
   62,296 WWE ^US (Clash at the Castle @ Principality Stadium, Cardiff ^GB, 2022) ^{(Most recent UK WWE PLE)}
   64,500 WCW/NJPW ^US/JP (Starrcade '91 @ Tokyo Dome, Tokyo ^JP, 1991)
   65,000 TPW ^JP (TPW in Atami @ Sun Beach, Atami ^JP, 1996)
   70,000 NJPW ^JP (Inoki Retirement Show @ Tokyo Dome, Tokyo ^JP, 1998)
   80,355 WWF ^US (SummerSlam '92 @ Wembley Stadium (pre-rebuild), London ^GB, 1992) ^{(Last WWF/WWE event at Wembley Stadium)}
 101,763 WWE ^US (WM32 @ AT&T Stadium, TX ^US, 2016)

Well, that didn't turn out looking as pretty as I'd have liked... but I did it, so it's staying, haha. Made it marginally more readable.

Added some Japanese attendance records, for more context.

Maybe they don't max out the stadium with this, but they're already ahead of two-thirds of "the big three" plus TNA and any NWA promotion record, closing in on UFC's record, and heading convincingly for the bulk of the Japanese promotion records. With no matches announced! That's pretty damn respectable.

Probably worth also bearing in mind that the >100k WWE number there is all-time, many many WWE/WWF events would've drawn much lower numbers than that. Not to mention it being a WrestleMania and the numbers probably being at least a little bit kayfabed.

It's wild to think that FMW drew damn near 60,000 WITHOUT TV.

[Kalmia]

I see Japan makes up attendance figures too. I've been to the Tokyo Dome several times and you cannot get 70k in there unless you're using Kevin Nash attendance maths.

[stoptheclocks]

May 7, 2023 1:55:47 GMT -5 lucaslawless said:

I honestly hope there is no other UK show. I hope they pretape collision or put it on Friday night instead of Rampage.

They need to capitalise everything at Wembley, crowd reactions, the atmosphere, all first time for it to be 110% over the top and surreal.

The idea of them having TV tapings or a string of house shows a week earlier takes some of the light off of the stadium show imo.

What confused me is WWE do their UK tours with WWE LIVE for a week and travel around the UK selling 5-10k per venue (I'm assuming) with hotels, transport, logistics and set up costs for all the crew and wrestlers when they just could have ran one major show in the UK each year instead of the watered down house shows they usually put on. I guess they have their reasons but I don't see why they couldn't have alternated O2 Arena London and Bank Arena say in Liverpool each year. (Or another northern arena) or stadiums / arenas with 25/30k capacity

Would save them so much hassle of travelling half of the UK. I can only think Tony Khan has thought the same and thinking an actual UK tour would come with a ridiculous set up cost and no doubt compare or exceed the costings of hiring Wembley Stadium.

I don't know all the reasons or numbers behind it, but long term only turning up every summer for one stadium show in London (as it would have to be) would be terrible for UK WWE fans.

All In is going to be a huge success, but you can't extrapolate that outwards and say they'd do this or that in years to come. I'm fairly sure as soon as they feel they are big enough, AEW will be doing proper European tours.