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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Aug 13, 2023 20:27:56 GMT -5
Shouldn't take much to top WM 32 quality wise, at least.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 13, 2023 20:35:29 GMT -5
But this is just an AEW PPV. This is every AEW PPV. The part where my confusion is here is because people keep throwing around a demand or even just expectation of some elevated show beyond that, and so far what we've had built is just what AEW PPVs look like. AEW did nothing different from any other PPV announcement. They made no different promises and intimated no further hints or claims that actually led to people thinking they should expet something huge and transcendent. I kind of do think it's not any AEW's fault here because people getting in their heads a vague notion that this show will be somehow more was all kind of on them. But also the fact the card we have so far hasn't been any sort of meaningless no-hype filler house show card is where my confusion for this also stems. Even the build for this show has just been how AEW builds PPVs. All Out if anything got f***ed raw even if Kenny and Takeshita are put in a tag match to push their All Out show because Wembley is all the promotion is going toward and so far it's honestly got way bigger matches lined up even than the stuff All Out is going to get (Cole/Page, FTR/Bucks). Like, if people aren't happy with the fact it's an AEW PPV that's just in a huge stadium, sure, fine, but I think they need ot consider where they got the idea it might be more and maybe look within. AEW's gotten a lot of blowback here for handling this 'wrong' when I think everything in their messaging, booking, and handling has set this up as being an AEW PPV and nothing more. It's special because of its scale and it accomplishes that scale and success as proof the UK wants AEW. But this isn't "any other PPV", it's Wembley Stadium. That's when they set their own bar on the moon, the second those two words came out of Adam Cole's mouth, in that backstage segment. Of course there's an expectation of an "elevated show beyond that", it's an EIGHTY THOUSAND CAPACITY VENUE and a very historically important one at that.
How could that not raise expectations? That's why they called it All In, because they damn well have to be to make that venue make sense, it's by far bigger than anything they've ever done before, that in itself is making a promise. It's multiple times bigger than AEW's ever done, in a venue that's uber-famous inside and outside of the UK for being where huge important stuff happens, that's what it is, what it means, it's the pinnacle of sporting and entertainment history in the UK. If they'd booked Wembley Arena, or Craven Cottage, or the O2 Arena, that'd be cool, that'd be AEW coming to the UK to put on the same shows they put on elsewhere. But this isn't those places. It's the most ostentatious, attention-grabbing, "I've got balls the size of Neptune" play he could possibly have made. It spells "strap in, folks, this one's a doozy", in neon letters you could see if you were on Neptune.
You can't put that kind of hype on a show, sell more tickets than most WrestleManias ever have, and then not put on a solid gold, diamond-studded show. You just can't. You don't book Wembley freakin' Stadium and then put on a 4 hour Dynamite. If you book that place, especially as an entity that hasn't played a place anywhere close to that big before, you're telling the world that you mean business and you're going to prove it. Which means people are going to speculate, they're going to expect miracles, they're going to plan all the amazing record-breaking, world-shaking, news-dominating fantasy scenarios in their heads, and it's going to build unrealistic expectations. So, to manage that, you give people more insight, sooner. You let them know what the show is going to look like with earlier builds, with earlier announcements, you close up the available spots for people to think "omg that's only 3 matches, I bet they're saving one for [crazy scenario that won't happen]". You tell them up front what they need to get excited about happening instead of letting them invent impossibilities and disappointments, you give them something badass to focus on that will happen.
They booked a PPV card and so far every announced match is a match that belongs on a PPV card. This is not a four hour Dynamite, and again, the idea that an AEW PPV in a stadium with X seats needs to inherently be the ultra biggest ever is entirely just a made up expectation that people are making themselves, none of this post actually refutes my point because "You don't book Wembley unless you plan to prove somethign to the world" is a sentiment entirely created just in peoples' heads. This isn't Super Show Down being main evented by 2018 Triple H against 2018 Undertaker. "People made shit up and fantasy booked a card" is not AEW's fault and their build has set all expectations at "this is an AEW PPV" which is what it has always been. The show is going to be plenty special enough without dragging it down with the ghost of shit people decided they had to do.
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Post by ssdrivin on Aug 13, 2023 20:59:05 GMT -5
But this isn't "any other PPV", it's Wembley Stadium. That's when they set their own bar on the moon, the second those two words came out of Adam Cole's mouth, in that backstage segment. Of course there's an expectation of an "elevated show beyond that", it's an EIGHTY THOUSAND CAPACITY VENUE and a very historically important one at that.
How could that not raise expectations? That's why they called it All In, because they damn well have to be to make that venue make sense, it's by far bigger than anything they've ever done before, that in itself is making a promise. It's multiple times bigger than AEW's ever done, in a venue that's uber-famous inside and outside of the UK for being where huge important stuff happens, that's what it is, what it means, it's the pinnacle of sporting and entertainment history in the UK. If they'd booked Wembley Arena, or Craven Cottage, or the O2 Arena, that'd be cool, that'd be AEW coming to the UK to put on the same shows they put on elsewhere. But this isn't those places. It's the most ostentatious, attention-grabbing, "I've got balls the size of Neptune" play he could possibly have made. It spells "strap in, folks, this one's a doozy", in neon letters you could see if you were on Neptune.
You can't put that kind of hype on a show, sell more tickets than most WrestleManias ever have, and then not put on a solid gold, diamond-studded show. You just can't. You don't book Wembley freakin' Stadium and then put on a 4 hour Dynamite. If you book that place, especially as an entity that hasn't played a place anywhere close to that big before, you're telling the world that you mean business and you're going to prove it. Which means people are going to speculate, they're going to expect miracles, they're going to plan all the amazing record-breaking, world-shaking, news-dominating fantasy scenarios in their heads, and it's going to build unrealistic expectations. So, to manage that, you give people more insight, sooner. You let them know what the show is going to look like with earlier builds, with earlier announcements, you close up the available spots for people to think "omg that's only 3 matches, I bet they're saving one for [crazy scenario that won't happen]". You tell them up front what they need to get excited about happening instead of letting them invent impossibilities and disappointments, you give them something badass to focus on that will happen.
They booked a PPV card and so far every announced match is a match that belongs on a PPV card. This is not a four hour Dynamite, and again, the idea that an AEW PPV in a stadium with X seats needs to inherently be the ultra biggest ever is entirely just a made up expectation that people are making themselves, none of this post actually refutes my point because "You don't book Wembley unless you plan to prove somethign to the world" is a sentiment entirely created just in peoples' heads. This isn't Super Show Down being main evented by 2018 Triple H against 2018 Undertaker. "People made shit up and fantasy booked a card" is not AEW's fault and their build has set all expectations at "this is an AEW PPV" which is what it has always been. The show is going to be plenty special enough without dragging it down with the ghost of shit people decided they had to do. We could go on all day, but I dunno what to tell you, man.
They booked the biggest, most ballsy, most historic stadium in the country, with multiple times as many seats as they've ever sold before, they called it All In, even Adam Cole himself was shocked and remembers people thinking he mis-spoke and actually meant Wembley Arena, and it's their first show in Europe. That says "big show". No, not that one, sorry Paul. But seriously, I can't make you understand the historical and cultural importance I'm referring to, but any other venue in the entire country would've been less provocative and steeped in expectation than this.
Also, I'm not saying it will be a four hour Dynamite. I'm barely making a comment on the expected quality of the show at all, I'm willing to just show up and enjoy it, although I'll obviously enjoy it more if a particular match rings my bell. I'm just saying that when you leave things until the last minute, you give people cause for panic. Even if that's how things normally are. Although they weren't, because until recently we didn't even know if or how people could watch this thing, even though most other events have been known quantities as far as TV rights and streaming platforms, which is reason enough to start thinking "boy, I sure hope they aren't going to hack this thing together in a panic a week before the show".
I mean, not to make it a promotion vs promotion thing, but would people be saying this if it were WrestleMania? The big one, for the fans, for the wrestlers, for the company as a whole, the highlight, the career-crowning glory, the one everyone tunes in for, the one with the highest attendance figures, the one that means the most out of the entire year? Of course that's a big deal. That's why a hundred thousand people go and see it, from all across the world. You surely wouldn't accept a last minute build and half the card not even mentioned two weeks before, would you?
I just can't fathom how anybody thinks this isn't a gigantic deal or that 80 thousand people showing up doesn't mean that it's the biggest, most obvious, all-eyes-on-you-now time in AEW's short existence. Of course they have to make it exceptional. That's what this is. It's not just a regular PPV, it's a statement, and it has the potential to be the show that carries them to the next level of importance.
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Post by jm on Aug 13, 2023 20:59:23 GMT -5
Never forget.
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Post by dynamitekidd on Aug 13, 2023 21:09:29 GMT -5
I haven't seen anybody saying that here. All I've seen is people disappointed that Kenny may not have a singles match at their biggest ever show, which is fair criticism. A Kenny Omega singles match is something I was looking forward to, and the only reason I would seek this show out on TV. I doubt I'm alone in that. I’d be kinda shocked if Omega isn’t there. Why would they do an announcement for an interview with JR to discuss his plans for All In, just to have him say yeah I won’t be there. Plus he’s Kenny Omega.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 13, 2023 21:50:49 GMT -5
Wonder how he feels about the big fight feel of Wembley now lmfao
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 13, 2023 22:45:05 GMT -5
A Kenny Omega singles match is something I was looking forward to, and the only reason I would seek this show out on TV. I doubt I'm alone in that. I’d be kinda shocked if Omega isn’t there. Why would they do an announcement for an interview with JR to discuss his plans for All In, just to have him say yeah I won’t be there. Plus he’s Kenny Omega. He’s saying a singles match because the rumor from Meltzer was a 6-man tag for All In with Kenny, Hangman and Ibushi vs. Takeshita, Jay White and Juice Robinson
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 14, 2023 0:20:54 GMT -5
How has that dude not deleted that tweet yet? Like, I know ESPN isn’t the beacon of sports journalism it once was but you clearly were told something wrong, regardless of who or where it came from, and you’re getting beaten up in the QTs every time a new figure comes up so why keep doing it? What are you gaining here?
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Post by 4real on Aug 14, 2023 1:27:48 GMT -5
Was going to see if there were any shows or anything else going on in London on the Saturday but the train strikes make me think staying at home til Sunday is the better option. Plus I’m off on holiday the day after anyway.
Really hoping for some big match announcements this week. I guess we’ll find out what Mox, Omega & Jericho are doing this week.
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Post by lucaslawless on Aug 14, 2023 3:18:53 GMT -5
Had Regal been around we could have had Duchess of Queensbury Rules II.
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Post by rajaah on Aug 14, 2023 3:33:08 GMT -5
Bang on. I don't think people have realised what a big deal booking Wembley is. It's not just your biggest crowd by multiple factors, it's in a stadium and name with over a century of history, a name recognised worldwide for sports and entertainment. The white horse final, live aid, dozens upon dozens of finals. This is not just a random show. This should be THE show, where AEW announces itself into the global stage. And it feels like an after thought. I bought tickets expecting a stadium show. And so far we have one match in the main event that has actual story and stakes. That's simply incompetence
It's business, if nothing else, you just can't phone in the event that will define your company as a very serious contender in the history of pro wrestling, putting it squarely in the #2 spot of all time. You have to throw everything you've got at making it the jewel in the crown of your company's entire existence up to that point and show the world what you're capable of bringing.
I'm also in the camp of feeling disappointed that they haven't made this an event worthy of what they've accomplished (in spite of themselves). Makes me think there's a good chance they'll never ever pull a crowd like this again after dropping the ball here. I'm sure the show will be a great watch and have all the workrate and everything but it needs to be throwing everything at the wall. With 200 or so people on the roster I don't buy that they have to "hold back" to have something for All Out later. They could easily put on two supercards in a row. Hell they've got the Punk vs MJF (or Cole) unification match in their pocket and that could easily sell All Out by itself. This show really needed to have Punk vs Omega in the main event and top billing. No ifs ands or buts about it. MJF/Cole as the co-main, Bucks vs FTR, Orange vs Moxley, Eddie vs Claudio. Hangman/Ibushi/Miro vs Takeshita/Yuta/PAC to get those guys on the card, Jericho vs Ospreay, Saraya vs Shida (yeah I'd go singles). Add a proper build and I think THAT card is worthy of 90k people in the building (and would achieve that). Also have a feeling they're gonna end this show with Adam Cole winning the title and turning heel in the process. Ending the show with a big heel win (as opposed to a raucous celebration) is not the way to go, leave that for Dynamite or All Out. Obviously I have a bunch of worries and concerns for this, but I've been following AEW since day one and have seen almost all of their shows (have missed literally one PPV, 3 Dynamites, and 3 Rampages since they started) and right now it feels an awful lot like watching someone you follow finally "make it" and then just sort of fumble in the endzone.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 14, 2023 3:36:41 GMT -5
Shouldn't take much to top WM 32 quality wise, at least. I could start a slap-fight with the person sitting beside me and it would top Mania 32 quality-wise
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 14, 2023 3:48:27 GMT -5
It's business, if nothing else, you just can't phone in the event that will define your company as a very serious contender in the history of pro wrestling, putting it squarely in the #2 spot of all time. You have to throw everything you've got at making it the jewel in the crown of your company's entire existence up to that point and show the world what you're capable of bringing.
I'm also in the camp of feeling disappointed that they haven't made this an event worthy of what they've accomplished (in spite of themselves). Makes me think there's a good chance they'll never ever pull a crowd like this again after dropping the ball here. I'm sure the show will be a great watch and have all the workrate and everything but it needs to be throwing everything at the wall. With 200 or so people on the roster I don't buy that they have to "hold back" to have something for All Out later. They could easily put on two supercards in a row. Hell they've got the Punk vs MJF (or Cole) unification match in their pocket and that could easily sell All Out by itself. This show really needed to have Punk vs Omega in the main event and top billing. No ifs ands or buts about it. MJF/Cole as the co-main, Bucks vs FTR, Orange vs Moxley, Eddie vs Claudio. Hangman/Ibushi/Miro vs Takeshita/Yuta/PAC to get those guys on the card, Jericho vs Ospreay, Saraya vs Shida (yeah I'd go singles). Add a proper build and I think THAT card is worthy of 90k people in the building (and would achieve that). Also have a feeling they're gonna end this show with Adam Cole winning the title and turning heel in the process. Ending the show with a big heel win (as opposed to a raucous celebration) is not the way to go, leave that for Dynamite or All Out. Obviously I have a bunch of worries and concerns for this, but I've been following AEW since day one and have seen almost all of their shows (have missed literally one PPV, 3 Dynamites, and 3 Rampages since they started) and right now it feels an awful lot like watching someone you follow finally "make it" and then just sort of fumble in the endzone. Nothing has even happened yet, so talking about "They may never draw a crowd like this again due to dropping the ball like this" is absurd, this thread's become the epitome of exhausting to look at with all the hand wringing and panic over WHAT HASN'T EVEN HAPPENED YET. Like what the f*** are we even talking about anymore? It's a disappointment to you? I guess? You're speaking for 80,000 people who, for all you know, are quite happy with what the card looks like so far, and is very excited for the experience. You're literally doomposting, this is the definition of what that is, posting a bunch of crazy what if's and saying they've already failed before a card is already fully assembled and a show has even happened. We've reached like the peak here, it makes any discussion that's been had in this thread lately almost impossible. AEW finally reaches the pinnacle of the sport with this event when it comes to attendance alone, one of the biggest events in the history of pro wrestling, and we STILL have people just slamming "NO FUN ALLOWED" signs on the lawn. Feel free to think that, by the way, you're free to not be impressed by the card or whatever. I'm just at the point where I think it's absolutely insufferable as someone who has watched the thread arguments evolve from "They haven't announced the card yet, it's so over" to "They've announced the card, I think it's lackluster, it's so over", sorry for this turning into a bit of a rant but I know I'm not alone in feeling this way, I'm beginning to think there are some people who simply can't let a goal post sit where it is when it comes to this company as a whole, there always has to be something wrong or something that's gonna hurt the company, instead of just letting something, anything, actually play out.
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Post by clifford on Aug 14, 2023 3:55:41 GMT -5
I'm also in the camp of feeling disappointed that they haven't made this an event worthy of what they've accomplished (in spite of themselves). Makes me think there's a good chance they'll never ever pull a crowd like this again after dropping the ball here. I'm sure the show will be a great watch and have all the workrate and everything but it needs to be throwing everything at the wall. With 200 or so people on the roster I don't buy that they have to "hold back" to have something for All Out later. They could easily put on two supercards in a row. Hell they've got the Punk vs MJF (or Cole) unification match in their pocket and that could easily sell All Out by itself. This show really needed to have Punk vs Omega in the main event and top billing. No ifs ands or buts about it. MJF/Cole as the co-main, Bucks vs FTR, Orange vs Moxley, Eddie vs Claudio. Hangman/Ibushi/Miro vs Takeshita/Yuta/PAC to get those guys on the card, Jericho vs Ospreay, Saraya vs Shida (yeah I'd go singles). Add a proper build and I think THAT card is worthy of 90k people in the building (and would achieve that). Also have a feeling they're gonna end this show with Adam Cole winning the title and turning heel in the process. Ending the show with a big heel win (as opposed to a raucous celebration) is not the way to go, leave that for Dynamite or All Out. Obviously I have a bunch of worries and concerns for this, but I've been following AEW since day one and have seen almost all of their shows (have missed literally one PPV, 3 Dynamites, and 3 Rampages since they started) and right now it feels an awful lot like watching someone you follow finally "make it" and then just sort of fumble in the endzone. Nothing has even happened yet, so talking about "They may never draw a crowd like this again due to dropping the ball like this" is absurd, this thread's become the epitome of exhausting to look at with all the hand wringing and panic over WHAT HASN'T EVEN HAPPENED YET. Like what the f*** are we even talking about anymore? It's a disappointment to you? I guess? You're speaking for 80,000 people who, for all you know, are quite happy with what the card looks like so far, and is very excited for the experience. You're literally doomposting, this is the definition of what that is, posting a bunch of crazy what if's and saying they've already failed before a card is already fully assembled and a show has even happened. We've reached like the peak here, it makes any discussion that's been had in this thread lately almost impossible. AEW finally reaches the pinnacle of the sport with this event when it comes to attendance alone, one of the biggest events in the history of pro wrestling, and we STILL have people just slamming "NO FUN ALLOWED" signs on the lawn. Feel free to think that, by the way, you're free to not be impressed by the card or whatever. I'm just at the point where I think it's absolutely insufferable as someone who has watched the thread arguments evolve from "They haven't announced the card yet, it's so over" to "They've announced the card, I think it's lackluster, it's so over", sorry for this turning into a bit of a rant but I know I'm not alone in feeling this way, I'm beginning to think there are some people who simply can't let a goal post sit where it is when it comes to this company as a whole, there always has to be something wrong or something that's gonna hurt the company, instead of just letting something, anything, actually play out. I don't think any of what rajaah said is 'doom-posting' at all. They state they think the show will be great, they state that they're a huge fan of AEW, they state that all they want is AEW and this event to succeed. They're allowed be disappointed without someone going on a rant about how their feelings shouldn't be taken seriously and dismissing their views as 'insufferable', 'absurd' and 'crazy'.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 14, 2023 4:00:49 GMT -5
Like, one of the lines of that post was "there's a good chance they won't pull a crowd like that again" which...what does that even mean? How can they prove that? It's really hard to take some of the anxiousness seriously when that is the first line people have in some of their posts, to be quite blunt. I ignore the rest of the post when I see that, I'm sorry.
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Post by clifford on Aug 14, 2023 4:15:39 GMT -5
Like, one of the lines of that post was "there's a good chance they won't pull a crowd like that again" which...what does that even mean? How can they prove that? It's really hard to take some of the anxiousness seriously when that is the first line people have in some of their posts, to be quite blunt. I ignore the rest of the post when I see that, I'm sorry. And that's fine, everyone is within their right to disagree or downright ignore other people's views on all this- I just don't like inflammatory language being thrown around to disparage people's views. An undertaking this size, putting on the self-proclaimed 'Biggest Event in Wrestling History' is not going to have everyone seeing eye to eye, its going to have its detractors, and valid criticisms shouldn't be dismissed so easily with the ol' 'wait and see!' approach, in my opinion. Personally I have said my thoughts on all this, and my feelings about how they've handled the lead up to this show aren't going to affect my enjoyment of being there live. I love what they've announced so far, I'm much less enthusiastic about some of the rumoured other matches, but I both accept that they are only rumours still while at the same time think its ridiculous that two weeks out the fans are reduced to speculating about rumours at all; this should all be set in stone by now.
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Post by Bo Rida on Aug 14, 2023 4:18:52 GMT -5
Like, one of the lines of that post was "there's a good chance they won't pull a crowd like that again" which...what does that even mean? How can they prove that? It's really hard to take some of the anxiousness seriously when that is the first line people have in some of their posts, to be quite blunt. I ignore the rest of the post when I see that, I'm sorry. Why is that surprising? Very few wrestling shows in history have drawn such a big crowd. The conditions for it are unique, years of pent up demand, people travelling from across Europe and relatives and lapsed/WWE fans going for the experience of a big stadium show. There's almost certain to be diminishing returns if they do it again anytime soon, or if WWE actually do wm in the uk. That doesn't mean they can't, Australia in particular would probably have a similar response. Even if they did Wembley again next year it'll probably be a huge success but it's still likely this is the peak for the foreseeable future.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 14, 2023 4:26:30 GMT -5
I understand all of that and I get it.
But also, like, I might just need to back out of here? This discussion, I feel, is getting silly on both sides and even if people are right or wrong, it just feels so bogged down with high standards that it's just not worth it.
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Post by ssdrivin on Aug 14, 2023 4:41:02 GMT -5
Nothing has even happened yet, so talking about "They may never draw a crowd like this again due to dropping the ball like this" is absurd, this thread's become the epitome of exhausting to look at with all the hand wringing and panic over WHAT HASN'T EVEN HAPPENED YET. Like what the f*** are we even talking about anymore? It's a disappointment to you? I guess? You're speaking for 80,000 people who, for all you know, are quite happy with what the card looks like so far, and is very excited for the experience. You're literally doomposting, this is the definition of what that is, posting a bunch of crazy what if's and saying they've already failed before a card is already fully assembled and a show has even happened. We've reached like the peak here, it makes any discussion that's been had in this thread lately almost impossible. AEW finally reaches the pinnacle of the sport with this event when it comes to attendance alone, one of the biggest events in the history of pro wrestling, and we STILL have people just slamming "NO FUN ALLOWED" signs on the lawn. Feel free to think that, by the way, you're free to not be impressed by the card or whatever. I'm just at the point where I think it's absolutely insufferable as someone who has watched the thread arguments evolve from "They haven't announced the card yet, it's so over" to "They've announced the card, I think it's lackluster, it's so over", sorry for this turning into a bit of a rant but I know I'm not alone in feeling this way, I'm beginning to think there are some people who simply can't let a goal post sit where it is when it comes to this company as a whole, there always has to be something wrong or something that's gonna hurt the company, instead of just letting something, anything, actually play out. I don't think any of what rajaah said is 'doom-posting' at all. They state they think the show will be great, they state that they're a huge fan of AEW, they state that all they want is AEW and this event to succeed. They're allowed be disappointed without someone going on a rant about how their feelings shouldn't be taken seriously and dismissing their views as 'insufferable', 'absurd' and 'crazy'. Yeah, really, it feels like people are just kinda projecting expectations of what people on Twitter might be saying as opposed to reading actual discussion points, just so they can be exasperated by people "doomposting" or "never being happy" or whatever.
Nobody's saying it's done, nobody's saying AEW's thrown it all away, nobody's saying the show will be crap. All that's being said is that for an insane opportunity like this there could've been more effort put into showing people exactly why this is going to be an amazing show worthy of a packed out house in the biggest and most important venue in the country, a bit sooner and a bit more clearly, because some aspects of it have felt like they've been unclear and dragged their heels when they needed to be straight up and eager to show off what's coming.
I think that's a perfectly fine concern to have without having to mean that we're getting all IWC about it and calling the whole thing a failure before it's even happened. It doesn't have to be that black and white. We can simultaneously hold the opinion that it's going to be great but also that they might be leaving money on the table or that there are ways they could've handled it a bit more appropriately for the unusual and exceptional circumstances, compared to "just another PPV" (because it definitely isn't "just another PPV", it's by far their biggest one, it's of international importance, and it's their big chance to show they're right up there with anything WWE can do in one of the most meaningful sporting venues on the planet).
It is more important than All Out. I'm sorry if you're high on Punk, or you live in Chicago, or you don't think Wembley Stadium is meaningful in any way. I don't want to piss on your chips, I have no beef with Punk, or Punk's fans, or Chicago, or the United Center, it's just quite clearly not on the same level as an 80k attendance international show that everybody's going to be watching with massive anticipation as a sign of whether AEW's made it to that level or not. Works the other way around too, I went to Clash at the Castle, I expected a decent PPV, but I didn't expect it to be WrestleMania 38 at the AT&T Stadium. There's a time and a place to bring your A game, this is one of those times, and we want to see AEW do the absolute best it can with an exceptional opportunity to do that. Of course we want to see AEW coming out of this bigger, better, stronger, and more respected than ever before.
"I am concerned that this feels a bit last-minute and doesn't feel as special as the circumstances suggest it should, even two weeks out from the event" does not mean "f*** it, AEW's a failure, Tony Khan is just the worst, the roster can't live up to an event this big, and the whole thing is stupid". It just means we're nervous that there's some possibility that this isn't being treated (or at least presented) with the gravitas a show of this magnitude, for this company, on a global stage, probably deserves if it's going to be made the most of.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 14, 2023 4:55:39 GMT -5
Nothing has even happened yet, so talking about "They may never draw a crowd like this again due to dropping the ball like this" is absurd, this thread's become the epitome of exhausting to look at with all the hand wringing and panic over WHAT HASN'T EVEN HAPPENED YET. Like what the f*** are we even talking about anymore? It's a disappointment to you? I guess? You're speaking for 80,000 people who, for all you know, are quite happy with what the card looks like so far, and is very excited for the experience. You're literally doomposting, this is the definition of what that is, posting a bunch of crazy what if's and saying they've already failed before a card is already fully assembled and a show has even happened. We've reached like the peak here, it makes any discussion that's been had in this thread lately almost impossible. AEW finally reaches the pinnacle of the sport with this event when it comes to attendance alone, one of the biggest events in the history of pro wrestling, and we STILL have people just slamming "NO FUN ALLOWED" signs on the lawn. Feel free to think that, by the way, you're free to not be impressed by the card or whatever. I'm just at the point where I think it's absolutely insufferable as someone who has watched the thread arguments evolve from "They haven't announced the card yet, it's so over" to "They've announced the card, I think it's lackluster, it's so over", sorry for this turning into a bit of a rant but I know I'm not alone in feeling this way, I'm beginning to think there are some people who simply can't let a goal post sit where it is when it comes to this company as a whole, there always has to be something wrong or something that's gonna hurt the company, instead of just letting something, anything, actually play out. I don't think any of what rajaah said is 'doom-posting' at all. They state they think the show will be great, they state that they're a huge fan of AEW, they state that all they want is AEW and this event to succeed. They're allowed be disappointed without someone going on a rant about how their feelings shouldn't be taken seriously and dismissing their views as 'insufferable', 'absurd' and 'crazy'. It wasn't all Rajaah, his points were just part of what I feel has been a topic going around in circles for pages now with people, that I believe has brought the overall mood down within it for like days now if not longer I literally said in the last part of my post he was free to think what he wanted, I just needed to get how I felt off my chest. I do think the rhetoric insufferable, absurd, and crazy, and I think I'm allowed to think that myself too. I didn't call Rajaah any of those things, I don't agree with the viewpoints and think they're getting far too outlandish to say that AEW has ruined any chance they have at a big crowd again because they personally don't like a card or don't think it worthy enough for a crowd of 80K, who all themselves, have their own different opinions about what a satisfying card is They're allowed to be disappointed, I think others are also allowed to express that those feelings are exhausting, without having to check out of the thread like they seem to be doing because it's been, as I said, going around in circles for quite awhile now. Sorry if what I said was too harsh or too aggressive, it's not how I wanted to come off, but I hadn't really gotten into much of the arguments here the entire time, and this is probably why lol
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