khali
Dennis Stamp
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Post by khali on Aug 17, 2023 7:48:40 GMT -5
Everyone is so right, it’s such a BS thrown together card with no build whatsoever.
Except for the main event, which is a payoff to the consensus one of the best stories they’ve ever booked. And except for the coffin match, which had a very intense heel heat angle with Nick Wayne and has elevated AR Fox with his history with Darby Allin. And except for Stadium Stampede, which has multiple feuds going at once and includes Moxley and Kingston tension they were building before he left for G1. And except for Ospreay and Jericho, which was tied into a several weeks long story about if Jericho would join Don Callis. And except for a six man tag match that teams up Kenny Omega again with Kota Ibushi, as they face off with the man Don Callis betrayed Omega with. And except for the tag team title match, which despite not a whole lot of build this time, is the rubber match between the two best teams they have.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 17, 2023 7:49:14 GMT -5
Christ, now I'm seeing people in other places say this card has the "same format as a WWE house show". Humanity is cursed. What does that even mean?!Might as well dig deeper. Man, this card is so bad, NWA Powerrr wouldn’t touch it.
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Post by gentlemengreg1 on Aug 17, 2023 7:51:00 GMT -5
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 17, 2023 7:51:29 GMT -5
Christ, now I'm seeing people in other places say this card has the "same format as a WWE house show". Humanity is cursed. What does that even mean?!Might as well dig deeper. Man, this card is so bad, NWA Powerrr wouldn’t touch it. My guess: any gimmick matches or multi-man matches automatically mean "this doesn't matter" to them.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 17, 2023 7:52:12 GMT -5
I said this earlier in the thread but just because the matches are only beimg announced now doesn't mean there hasn't been buildup. Nearly everything here has a story behind it.
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Post by lucaslawless on Aug 17, 2023 7:58:21 GMT -5
Wrestling has more than one Royal Family...
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 17, 2023 8:02:14 GMT -5
I said this earlier in the thread but just because the matches are only beimg announced now doesn't mean there hasn't been buildup. Nearly everything here has a story behind it. I can understand not liking the build but stuff is there. And, especially for the Bullet Club Gold match, there’s a Dynamite and two Collisions left to add more meat to that bone.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 17, 2023 8:03:07 GMT -5
I said this earlier in the thread but just because the matches are only beimg announced now doesn't mean there hasn't been buildup. Nearly everything here has a story behind it. Yep. Honestly one complaint for a lot (not all) AEW ppvs is they throw things together for the undercard last minute (though WWE does that too), I think the build has been fine with most of the card kind of being easy to see for a couple weeks. To me though, this was always going to be more of a celebration than a traditional ppv if that makes sense. I felt this would be more like Forbidden Door where you want to showcase the talent more than anything and celebrate where you've come. Heck All Out is a week later, and I'm pretty sure I can see guess what the card is going to be for that where we technically only have Luchasaurus vs Darby Allin
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 17, 2023 8:04:37 GMT -5
Christ, now I'm seeing people in other places say this card has the "same format as a WWE house show". Humanity is cursed. Are there some sections in this fanbase that have lost their ability to compromise? Like, if something isn’t 1:1 exactly like it gets fantasy booked in their brains, it’s not worth their time? At some point it stops being on the promotion to book to your every whim and starts being on you to cut them some f***ing slack. And there’s also this fact… The vast majority of people who buy tickets to these stadium events are buying them months out without nary a match even hinted at. Some of the responsibility has to fall on the customer to actually know that.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 17, 2023 8:04:47 GMT -5
I understand people thinking there are too many multiman matches, but I think it'll still be a great card.
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Post by lucaslawless on Aug 17, 2023 8:33:55 GMT -5
I understand people thinking there are too many multiman matches, but I think it'll still be a great card. I think it would be the same reaction if there was all single matches too. To be honest, singles matches can be a bore if not done right too! So what/who do we think is missing then? Miro and Hobbs seem to be staying home for All Out.. What match is going to kick off at the PPV 6pm?
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 17, 2023 8:40:02 GMT -5
I understand people thinking there are too many multiman matches, but I think it'll still be a great card. I think it would be the same reaction if there was all single matches too. To be honest, singles matches can be a bore if not done right too! So what/who do we think is missing then? Miro and Hobbs seem to be staying home for All Out.. What match is going to kick off at the PPV 6pm? I wonder if they're just going to have the one match on Zero Hour. Part of the appeal here is seeing the stadium full of raving fans and having a few matches in front of a half-empty stadium seems counter productive. Only other match I could see on the pre-show is Jarrett/Grado.
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daaave
Don Corleone
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Post by daaave on Aug 17, 2023 8:40:58 GMT -5
Obviously Punk and Joe but also think we will see Perry vs most likely Hook in singles and HOB vs Acclaimed & Billy
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clifford
King Koopa
Shingo Takagi stan
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Post by clifford on Aug 17, 2023 8:56:53 GMT -5
Did a little look up and as it stands, Christopher Daniels, Jay Lethal and Madison Rayne are the only currently contracted AEW wrestlers who were on the original All In card and not booked for the second All In.
If you include the pre show from 2018, then you also have Brandon Cutler, Ethan Page, Billy & Austin Gunn, Brian Cage & Colt Cabana.
Scorpio Sky, Bandido and Mark Briscoe are currently injured.
So they've done a pretty good job getting everyone they actually can from the first All In onto the second All In.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Aug 17, 2023 9:38:04 GMT -5
I think it’s a perfectly fine match selection, my only issue is I’d have start to built a similar card to this about a month and a half prior, that’s all.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 17, 2023 9:39:02 GMT -5
Christ, now I'm seeing people in other places say this card has the "same format as a WWE house show". Humanity is cursed. Are there some sections in this fanbase that have lost their ability to compromise? Like, if something isn’t 1:1 exactly like it gets fantasy booked in their brains, it’s not worth their time? At some point it stops being on the promotion to book to your every whim and starts being on you to cut them some f***ing slack. And there’s also this fact… The vast majority of people who buy tickets to these stadium events are buying them months out without nary a match even hinted at. Some of the responsibility has to fall on the customer to actually know that. Yeah, it makes me wonder what they think "mega cards" actually look like. I have to assume they've watched Wrestlemanias and Wrestle Kingdoms and other stadium shows and know that not a single one of them has ever been just a nonstop parade of dream singles matches...mostly because that would be utterly exhausting and likely not work very well as a standalone show. From a business perspective you'd also be taking a card that in large part sells itself (you've already sold +80,000 tickets, TV viewers will watch it for the spectacle) and putting a bunch of money matches on it that you no doubt want to save for other cards down the line. Basically, there's only a few things I can figure on this, and a lot depends on if a person is actually attending the show in person or not: if you're going in person, I get being upset about not getting a Kenny Omega singles match, since that's an incredible experience live. Could also see frustration over not getting Orange Cassidy against a British challenger for a belt meant to be international. If you're just watching it on TV/online in the US, then I can get being upset that it seems like we'll be asked to pay full price for two PPVs in a week, and thus wanting all the big matches on one show. Otherwise? Uh, no, not getting it. Massive World title match, massive Tag title match, Stadium Stampede in one of the biggest possible stadiums, Sting as part of a tag brawl with lots of build and animosity, six of the best possible talents in a six-man grudge match, etc. I'd get the complaint if it was formatted like a NJPW "Road to..." show, where it's basically all multi-man tag matches that just serve as warmups ahead of higher stakes matches involving various combinations of people in those matches; I'd also get it if it was formatted like a NJPW B-level card like Destruction, where it's again mostly multi-man matches but includes a few high stakes singles and title matches, but usually with challengers you don't expect to win the title. That's not the case here. MJF/Cole and Bucks/FTR are two of the biggest possible title matches they can do right now. The women's title match has a few converging stories and is likely a big step in the new direction the top of that division seems to be headed in. Joe vs. Punk is a huge marquee singles match that'll likely get a lot more room to breathe than it had on Collision; so's Ospreay/Jericho, even if that's not the specific matchup someone wanted. Stadium Stampede is a massive spectacle, the six-man has major story/character ramifications, etc. If all someone's getting from that is "TAG MATCHES BAD!", I don't know what to tell them.
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lucas_lee
Hank Scorpio
Heel turn is finished, now stripping away my personality
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Post by lucas_lee on Aug 17, 2023 9:58:19 GMT -5
I'm more intrigued by the cluster**** that'll be the tag team coffin match. I'm super curious how that'll work out. And I think All Out will have more marquee matches (it's doing worse in terms of ticket sales and the Wembley show sold well already without a card announced). Jericho vs Ospreay is gonna be a fun match too. Will is gonna bump like a madman for Jericho
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 17, 2023 10:32:04 GMT -5
I'm more intrigued by the cluster**** that'll be the tag team coffin match. I'm super curious how that'll work out. Sting jumps off the Wembley arch on top of everyone. Duh!
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Aug 17, 2023 10:32:30 GMT -5
The four title matches (inc pre-show) announced all have a decent chance of a title change (not that all 4 will, probably 1-2) that's different from the Saudi shows where title defenses are mostly filler, and title changes are very rare.
Coffin match and SS will make for great TV (how the live crowd will react to SS is uncharted waters).
Jericho/Osprey is a fresh feud and both will be motivated enough to make it memorable.
Elite v BC trios match is a wee bit underwhelming but I'll wait and see.
Not announced yet but likely...
Punk v Joe... still think there must be a twist to this or why give it away (with a clean finish!) on Collision a few weeks ago? Plus Punk and Starks aren't through with each other yet. Crowds' reaction to Punk given ongoing 'events' will be interesting.
Acclaimed & Daddy Ass v HoB will be smashing, maybe they will save it for All Out but I hope not.
Possible but no real signs of happening yet...
Athena v Willow, think they should do more than one women's match and this has more heat than Statlander's currently heatless TBS run. Mercedes Mone getting injured and Jade getting burned out might have halted plans for a women's singles showcase.
Miro v Hobbs, probably going to be saved for All Out.
TNT title defense, the Darby match at All Out will take precedence.
Hook v Perry, probably All Out too.
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Aug 17, 2023 10:58:25 GMT -5
Congratulations video message from Cody. Very difficult and unlikely to work out a deal with WWE's legal team (hence chances not strong) but it fits the Easter Egg reference due to him being a co-promoter of the 2018 All In that would lead to the creation of the company.
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