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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 17, 2023 11:00:59 GMT -5
Congratulations video message from Cody. Very difficult and unlikely to work out a deal with WWE's legal team (hence chances not strong) but it fits the Easter Egg reference due to him being a co-promoter of the 2018 All In that would lead to the creation of the company. Given Danielson and Jericho did videos for WWE, WWE should let Cody sent a 20 second video or something. It'd be fair and honestly, it gives WWE an excuse to siphon off some of the buzz.
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Post by Fade on Aug 17, 2023 11:04:15 GMT -5
I mean maybe my standards are just low but my reaction to seeing Golden Elite vs Bullet Club and Takeshita is "holy shit this match is gonna rule." Likewise for Stadium Stampede. With the exception of ibushi, yeah, that match should be purdy sick. Everyone deserves to be in it. Lots of history. And even in tag format, seeing Jay, Kenny, Takeshita and Hanger in front of that audience should be dope. I don’t hate the card but I don’t love it either. One thing I’ve thought constantly is, this size crowd is a first for a lot of the guys. And I’m sure they’ve booked accordingly. Could be great could be lame, wait and see lol Wrestling has more than one Royal Family... Shut the front door
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Post by 4real on Aug 17, 2023 11:15:51 GMT -5
Whilst I’m slightly let down by the card I’m sure the matches will deliver. I’m intrigued to see who BCC is teaming with (would have gone for HOB if they weren’t busy with The Acclaimed.
Jericho v Ospreay should be great. I know it’s not some people’s ideal Ospreay match but it’s frickin Jericho for goodness sake. Plus I can’t wait to sing Judas live finally.
Also surprised Ibushi is on the card so soon after the slightly disappointing appearance at Blood & Guts. Regardless there are so many guys on this card I’ve never seen live so I’m really looking forward to this. The only shame is we won’t be getting Jamie Hayter or PAC but hopefully Saraya gets a good ovation.
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Post by darbus alan on Aug 17, 2023 12:51:15 GMT -5
I said this earlier in the thread but just because the matches are only beimg announced now doesn't mean there hasn't been buildup. Nearly everything here has a story behind it. Yeah, I think some people only treat things as a "proper" build when the PPV match is announced early and then they build towards it. AEW does this a lot where they do the actual match announcement pretty late but there's definitely a build to it.
If you look at it from a story structure POV, a lot of people are used to match announcements being the inciting incident with the post-announcement build being the rising action and the match itself being the climax. In AEW, the build is still the rising action, but it leads to the match announcement, which tends to act as the climax.
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Post by AndyUK on Aug 17, 2023 12:59:52 GMT -5
I wanted an Omega singles match too as I stated earlier in the thread but otherwise, this is now looking a great card and adding a Stadium Stampede has helped soften that blow anyway.
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Post by Kalmia on Aug 17, 2023 13:02:24 GMT -5
Omega is my fave AEW wrestler. I would love to see him in a singles match for All In because on a huge stage like this, he always delivers.
But, how can I be mad at that trios match? Hangman/Omega is one of AEW's greatest tag teams and stories and I love the Golden Lovers story. Plus, Bullet Club Gold have been awesome on Collision and fully deserve to be on the card.
I would have loved OC vs Mox in a singles match as well, but how can I be mad at a Stadium Stampede match that has Eddie Kingston in it?
So many of the matches on this card aren't my first choices but they're still pretty awesome. I'll compromise on my dream matches to get to see people like BCG and Eddie who otherwise wouldn't have a place.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 17, 2023 13:04:26 GMT -5
Congratulations video message from Cody. Very difficult and unlikely to work out a deal with WWE's legal team (hence chances not strong) but it fits the Easter Egg reference due to him being a co-promoter of the 2018 All In that would lead to the creation of the company. He already said it doesn’t have to do with Cody.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 17, 2023 13:08:23 GMT -5
I think the main issue for a lot of people is that they were wanting AEW to turn this into their yearly destination type event a la Wrestlemania or WrestleKingdom and feel that the build, on-air promotion, and match card doesn’t match that expectation. Still seems like it will be a great show but it does feel to me a bit like their ordinary PPV show just in a stadium.
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Post by jm on Aug 17, 2023 13:32:07 GMT -5
What is it with this meme that "All In hasn't been built up at all"? If you've actually watched the shows, they have been built up for months in a couple of cases. The storylines have been going on for a while. They have just officially announced the matches recently. I don't understand how people can say that there's been no build.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 17, 2023 13:55:36 GMT -5
What is it with this meme that "All In hasn't been built up at all"? If you've actually watched the shows, they have been built up for months in a couple of cases. The storylines have been going on for a while. They have just officially announced the matches recently. I don't understand how people can say that there's been no build. bUt tAg mAtChEs, bRo, iTs jUsT aN ePiSoDe oF dYnAmItE.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 17, 2023 13:57:33 GMT -5
What is it with this meme that "All In hasn't been built up at all"? If you've actually watched the shows, they have been built up for months in a couple of cases. The storylines have been going on for a while. They have just officially announced the matches recently. I don't understand how people can say that there's been no build. bUt tAg mAtChEs, bRo, iTs jUsT aN ePiSoDe oF dYnAmItE. Who has said there’s been no build? Underwhelming card or underwhelming build are things I’ve seen, but I don’t think anyone is saying that the card has not been built at all.
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Post by gentlemengreg1 on Aug 17, 2023 14:04:40 GMT -5
Copeland & Christian unite at Wembley?
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 17, 2023 14:41:29 GMT -5
bUt tAg mAtChEs, bRo, iTs jUsT aN ePiSoDe oF dYnAmItE. Who has said there’s been no build? Underwhelming card or underwhelming build are things I’ve seen, but I don’t think anyone is saying that the card has not been built at all. It's the constant barrage around various points of the internet right now, not quite so much here: "it's all tag matches!", "it's just an episode of Dynamite!", "it's like a house show!", "just a bunch of spotfests!", and, yes, "there's no story!" or whatever other usual bullshit. It's really turned into a bunch of children whining that they didn't get the exact matches they wanted, and thus that means the entire card sucks. Meantime just about all of us would love to be live for what this show's getting, and the fantasy cards they keep putting together in their heads and raging over not getting wouldn't exist in a single night show for any company. Nothing guarantees a show will be great; you can lay out all kinds of stories or cool matches and then just have things be poorly executed when the time comes. I was so excited for Danielson vs. Okada, but the match never got to the next level because Bryan broke his arm. Shit happens, and if the show ends up not being performed or laid out well, by all means people can go to town on that. But here we are, a little over a week from a card that'll have tens of thousands in the stands and some massive matches booked on it, and to some of these people you'd think Khan was putting on a mudshow for them because they're not getting the specific singles matches they wanted. I've honestly never seen anything like it before; it's certainly not everybody, but I've now seen people literally calling the card and build "disrespectful." If I didn't know any better, I'd say I was being gaslit.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 17, 2023 14:46:34 GMT -5
Jack Perry and Sammy Guevara seem to be the two major names missing from the card. I assume they'll do Jack v Hook here (maybe at All Out as well due to shenanigans?) but not sure where Sammy fits in
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Post by daaave on Aug 17, 2023 14:50:28 GMT -5
Sammy is gonna be involved with Jericho/Ospreay you'd think
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 17, 2023 15:10:51 GMT -5
Who has said there’s been no build? Underwhelming card or underwhelming build are things I’ve seen, but I don’t think anyone is saying that the card has not been built at all. It's the constant barrage around various points of the internet right now, not quite so much here: "it's all tag matches!", "it's just an episode of Dynamite!", "it's like a house show!", "just a bunch of spotfests!", and, yes, "there's no story!" or whatever other usual bullshit. It's really turned into a bunch of children whining that they didn't get the exact matches they wanted, and thus that means the entire card sucks. Meantime just about all of us would love to be live for what this show's getting, and the fantasy cards they keep putting together in their heads and raging over not getting wouldn't exist in a single night show for any company. Nothing guarantees a show will be great; you can lay out all kinds of stories or cool matches and then just have things be poorly executed when the time comes. I was so excited for Danielson vs. Okada, but the match never got to the next level because Bryan broke his arm. Shit happens, and if the show ends up not being performed or laid out well, by all means people can go to town on that. But here we are, a little over a week from a card that'll have tens of thousands in the stands and some massive matches booked on it, and to some of these people you'd think Khan was putting on a mudshow for them because they're not getting the specific singles matches they wanted. I've honestly never seen anything like it before; it's certainly not everybody, but I've now seen people literally calling the card and build "disrespectful." If I didn't know any better, I'd say I was being gaslit. I’ve seen similar talk about “megacards” all the time, including for Wrestlemania nearly every year (and especially when it was a one night show that sometimes had to have people either left off or shoved into multi-person matches). The biggest shows of the year (or in wrestling history here!) are going to have a disproportionate amount of analysis and criticism that run of the mill PPVs will not receive. I don’t think there’s anything wildly different here, except for the country where it’s located giving the analysis another wrinkle.
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Post by jm on Aug 17, 2023 15:52:35 GMT -5
Who has said there’s been no build? Underwhelming card or underwhelming build are things I’ve seen, but I don’t think anyone is saying that the card has not been built at all. It's the constant barrage around various points of the internet right now, not quite so much here: "it's all tag matches!", "it's just an episode of Dynamite!", "it's like a house show!", "just a bunch of spotfests!", and, yes, "there's no story!" or whatever other usual bullshit. It's really turned into a bunch of children whining that they didn't get the exact matches they wanted, and thus that means the entire card sucks. Meantime just about all of us would love to be live for what this show's getting, and the fantasy cards they keep putting together in their heads and raging over not getting wouldn't exist in a single night show for any company. Nothing guarantees a show will be great; you can lay out all kinds of stories or cool matches and then just have things be poorly executed when the time comes. I was so excited for Danielson vs. Okada, but the match never got to the next level because Bryan broke his arm. Shit happens, and if the show ends up not being performed or laid out well, by all means people can go to town on that. But here we are, a little over a week from a card that'll have tens of thousands in the stands and some massive matches booked on it, and to some of these people you'd think Khan was putting on a mudshow for them because they're not getting the specific singles matches they wanted. I've honestly never seen anything like it before; it's certainly not everybody, but I've now seen people literally calling the card and build "disrespectful." If I didn't know any better, I'd say I was being gaslit. All of the hand wringing and doom posting and concern trolling across the internet over All In has to be one of the most ridiculous and laughable things I've ever seen in my life as a wrestling fan.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 17, 2023 15:59:07 GMT -5
It's the constant barrage around various points of the internet right now, not quite so much here: "it's all tag matches!", "it's just an episode of Dynamite!", "it's like a house show!", "just a bunch of spotfests!", and, yes, "there's no story!" or whatever other usual bullshit. It's really turned into a bunch of children whining that they didn't get the exact matches they wanted, and thus that means the entire card sucks. Meantime just about all of us would love to be live for what this show's getting, and the fantasy cards they keep putting together in their heads and raging over not getting wouldn't exist in a single night show for any company. Nothing guarantees a show will be great; you can lay out all kinds of stories or cool matches and then just have things be poorly executed when the time comes. I was so excited for Danielson vs. Okada, but the match never got to the next level because Bryan broke his arm. Shit happens, and if the show ends up not being performed or laid out well, by all means people can go to town on that. But here we are, a little over a week from a card that'll have tens of thousands in the stands and some massive matches booked on it, and to some of these people you'd think Khan was putting on a mudshow for them because they're not getting the specific singles matches they wanted. I've honestly never seen anything like it before; it's certainly not everybody, but I've now seen people literally calling the card and build "disrespectful." If I didn't know any better, I'd say I was being gaslit. All of the hand wringing and doom posting and concern trolling across the internet over All In has to be one of the most ridiculous and laughable things I've ever seen in my life as a wrestling fan. AEW drew 80K plus to a wrestling event You gotta push those goal posts again somehow, and the next way to do that is "Well this is disappointing, they'll never draw this number again because this card SUCKS" When in reality, I wouldn't be shocked if All In is a yearly event in giant venues in different places around the world, maybe not to the tune of 80K every year, but I imagine they can do it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 17, 2023 16:02:52 GMT -5
I think the main issue for a lot of people is that they were wanting AEW to turn this into their yearly destination type event a la Wrestlemania or WrestleKingdom and feel that the build, on-air promotion, and match card doesn’t match that expectation. Still seems like it will be a great show but it does feel to me a bit like their ordinary PPV show just in a stadium. Who is saying that won't happen, though? I don't think the match card doesn't match the expectation that All In could be a yearly event in some different parts of the world Will it be 80K every year? No, but it doesn't have to be. I think they've proven they can do a yearly stadium event, and if the card delivers upon the expectation, people are gonna want to be a part of the next one too if they go to their country or state much like the energy of Mania.
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Post by daaave on Aug 17, 2023 16:03:04 GMT -5
If that Forbidden Door card this year didn't happen then people probably wouldn't moan as much. They'll do well to ever live up to the hype of that show
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