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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 13, 2023 14:12:09 GMT -5
I don't think there's any great mystery to it. If you're a fan of Gunther, then it's not misery booking to see him win. It's always a lot more subjective than people are willing to admit. It's less being a "fan of ______ " and more "fan of how ______ is booked" in addition. If Bianca had the same type of reign as Gunter where: She had varied and interesting feuds Put on banger matches where she made her opponents look like a million bucks. Look like she fought her ass off for that win. Sold her opponents as threats, or serious contenders.... We'd be having this exact same conversation about Bianca Belair in another thread. If Roman Mahal did those things above, his reign would be a lot more tolerable. It's a question of how it is, not who it is. Just a couple years ago, over in AEWLand, you could find people using 'misery booking' to describe the title reigns of Kenny Omega and The Young Bucks, and some of the segments and matches that those reigns involved will stand out to this day as heavily disliked bad ideas that people didn't like. I can't think of a better case for how it's not about fan of X/'the IWC giving a pass' than those guys. People like who they like, but they also want actually good television out of who they like.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 13, 2023 14:21:39 GMT -5
At least dude has minions who can take losses for him every once in awhile, that in its own right helps a lot. That said I can't see any reason unless it's to drop the belt to Sheamus at Money in the Bank for him to have retained at Mania. He's over, he's positioned as a major threat, he didn't need to take the pin, he's beaten everyone there really is of interest for him to beat at the moment, it feels like he just retained because everything must be a record. I feel like if Sheamus had beat Drew, or vice versa, it'd have been big for either guy, sure, but also would have been deflating. I think Gunther's got a big future, but a former world champion beating him isn't going to wreck his credibility. So yeah, I do hope Sheamus wins it at MITB. I still believe that Sheamus should be the one to beat him eventually. It’s just of question of when you do it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 15:08:32 GMT -5
It's less being a "fan of ______ " and more "fan of how ______ is booked" in addition. If Bianca had the same type of reign as Gunter where: She had varied and interesting feuds Put on banger matches where she made her opponents look like a million bucks. Look like she fought her ass off for that win. Sold her opponents as threats, or serious contenders.... We'd be having this exact same conversation about Bianca Belair in another thread. If Roman Mahal did those things above, his reign would be a lot more tolerable. It's a question of how it is, not who it is. Just a couple years ago, over in AEWLand, you could find people using 'misery booking' to describe the title reigns of Kenny Omega and The Young Bucks, and some of the segments and matches that those reigns involved will stand out to this day as heavily disliked bad ideas that people didn't like. I can't think of a better case for how it's not about fan of X/'the IWC giving a pass' than those guys. People like who they like, but they also want actually good television out of who they like. The difference was that Omega and the Bucks would often dominate a match and still cheat to win. And anyone who could get a win over their group had to settle for Gallows, Anderson, or God forbid, Brandon Cutler as that accolade. It made Frankie Kazarian's "Elite Killer" gimmick useless because he didn't even graze any of the dudes that mattered, and when the Bucks did lose to Pentagon and Fenix, they sorta made it so it was about them. It would be like if the Bloodline dragged Manu out of the gutter and went "Hey, your favorite wrestler best *A* member of the Bloodline! What are you whining about?!"
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 13, 2023 15:15:04 GMT -5
Just a couple years ago, over in AEWLand, you could find people using 'misery booking' to describe the title reigns of Kenny Omega and The Young Bucks, and some of the segments and matches that those reigns involved will stand out to this day as heavily disliked bad ideas that people didn't like. I can't think of a better case for how it's not about fan of X/'the IWC giving a pass' than those guys. People like who they like, but they also want actually good television out of who they like. The difference was that Omega and the Bucks would often dominate a match and still cheat to win. And anyone who could get a win over their group had to settle for Gallows, Anderson, or God forbid, Brandon Cutler as that accolade. It made Frankie Kazarian's "Elite Killer" gimmick useless because he didn't even graze any of the dudes that mattered, and when the Bucks did lose to Pentagon and Fenix, they sorta made it so it was about them. It would be like if the Bloodline dragged Manu out of the gutter and went "Hey, your favorite wrestler best *A* member of the Bloodline! What are you whining about?!" No I know, I'm not disagreeing with Devitt's post. I'm using it to further the idea that even a very well liked wrestler can get a heavily rejected 'misery booking' title run. The over the top nonsense shit that went into The Elite's heel run on top was a f***ing drag.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 15:21:24 GMT -5
If I had to compare Bianca, given she's a babyface, it's Sheamus and his ill-fated 2012 title reign. Just swatting the same challengers over and over again without any real threat, them being forced to manufacture an outside situation for the champ to overcome that doesn't even factor into the actual match, and turning everything they touch into crap.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Apr 13, 2023 17:35:49 GMT -5
I feel like if Sheamus had beat Drew, or vice versa, it'd have been big for either guy, sure, but also would have been deflating. I think Gunther's got a big future, but a former world champion beating him isn't going to wreck his credibility. So yeah, I do hope Sheamus wins it at MITB. I still believe that Sheamus should be the one to beat him eventually. It’s just of question of when you do it? Money in the Bank is probably the best time to do it. Have Sheamo challenge Gunther to one more match one on one and do the big win there. Then afterwards, have Gunther show Sheamus a sign of respect for hanging tough with him and actually defeating him.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 13, 2023 18:21:44 GMT -5
I don't even watch WWE but every time they have a PPV I can't move on Twitter for the number of people talking about Walter's match being the best things on the card and how it was so good seeing the IC title booked strongly. It is significantly different to the complaints people have about Roman's specific title run
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