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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Apr 18, 2023 19:36:59 GMT -5
Nick Khan has guided WWE to position itself as sort of a talent agent for the wrestlers, and it's a massive conflict of interest because WWE, due to primarily being about the creation of WWE products, has its own interests in terms of who in its company it wants to put into prominent positions, and will want to use those priorities in positioning people to receive them. It's such a rigged concept and it's absolutely shitty on so many dimensions. WWE controls the product, not the fans. Why do I feel like this is WWE trying to squash another Zack Ryder before it happens? I know, I know. Petty. I'm just saying, a talent becoming popular on their own merits despite the product's storyline/design, is not something WWE wants from their performers. Oh, you're a celebrity? Oh, you may get us a demographic from your cross-over appeal? Please, step into our ring! WHAT'S THIS?!!! A TALENT WE EMPLOY(kinda) HAS BEEN GETTING MORE CHEERS DUE TO THEIR SUCCESS ELSEWHERE?!! HIW DARE THEY THINK THEYRE ABOVE WWE!!! *ahem* Right this way Paul family.
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Post by mistery on Apr 19, 2023 18:17:05 GMT -5
So for those who were outraged about WWE taking a cut, you probably shouldn't be. The cut they are taking is from the Twitch side of the deal, not the talent side.
For those out of the loop, Twitch normally has been very hardline on the 50/50 revenue split for both affiliates and partners as of late. So this likely means that the talent will get 50%, and the other 50% is split between Twitch and WWE.
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Post by lionheart21 on Apr 19, 2023 18:19:13 GMT -5
Now we need just OnlyFans. Tay Melo for example is killing it! People like Liv, Gigi or Rhea would make absurd amount of money if they go to OnlyFans... A Rhea OnlyFans might break the site. And that's just from the womens roster.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 19, 2023 18:26:06 GMT -5
So for those who were outraged about WWE taking a cut, you probably shouldn't be. The cut they are taking is from the Twitch side of the deal, not the talent side. For those out of the loop, Twitch normally has been very hardline on the 50/50 revenue split for both affiliates and partners as of late. So this likely means that the talent will get 50%, and the other 50% is split between Twitch and WWE. I mean...that's better, I guess. Honestly, all this feels like a smokescreen of Nick Khan talking about how the talent shouldn't expect higher pays after the merger which, considering how UFC treats their talent, should worry people way more than whether they can get paid for streaming or not.
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Post by ANuclearError on Apr 19, 2023 18:30:58 GMT -5
WWE eating from Twitch's slice is definitely a surprise to me, almost to the point of suspicion.
I wonder if we'll see Twitch handles alongside during entrances and things like that. If there's a deal between WWE and Twitch, I feel like it'll go beyond just talent streaming.
Actually, come to think of it, WWE would be very good for the Twitch marathons that have been done in the past. Imagine during the build to the Rumble, Twitch doing a marathon of all previous Rumble shows. That'd be a neat thing.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Apr 19, 2023 18:33:56 GMT -5
WWE eating from Twitch's slice is definitely a surprise to me, almost to the point of suspicion. I wonder if we'll see Twitch handles alongside during entrances and things like that. If there's a deal between WWE and Twitch, I feel like it'll go beyond just talent streaming. 24/7 Title brought back renamed The 24/7 TWITCH CHAMPIONSHIP.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Apr 19, 2023 18:36:01 GMT -5
SRS said WWE was only taking like 5%. Guess with see who's right.
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Post by mistery on Apr 19, 2023 18:39:25 GMT -5
SRS said WWE was only taking like 5%. Guess with see who's right. Yeah. I imagine it's 50% talent, 45% Twitch, 5% WWE.
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Post by tenshi on Apr 19, 2023 18:59:55 GMT -5
WWE eating from Twitch's slice is definitely a surprise to me, almost to the point of suspicion. I wonder if we'll see Twitch handles alongside during entrances and things like that. If there's a deal between WWE and Twitch, I feel like it'll go beyond just talent streaming. Maybe WWE can make a collaboration with Twitch like NBA and UFC does, essentially having a channel stream 24/7 and WWE produces content to it.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Apr 19, 2023 19:05:03 GMT -5
WWE/Endeavour/Only Fans partnership next please!
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Apr 19, 2023 19:17:35 GMT -5
It really cannot be understated how absolutely batshit insane it is that it is legal for so called "independent contractors" to have their side hustles controlled by the company they contract for. f*** WWE for having the nerve to request anything from what talent does in their free time.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 19, 2023 19:19:51 GMT -5
So for those who were outraged about WWE taking a cut, you probably shouldn't be. The cut they are taking is from the Twitch side of the deal, not the talent side. For those out of the loop, Twitch normally has been veryĀ hardline on the 50/50 revenue split for both affiliates and partners as of late. So this likely means that the talent will get 50%, and the other 50% is split between Twitch and WWE. I mean...that's better, I guess. Honestly, all this feels like a smokescreen of Nick Khan talking about how the talent shouldn't expect higher pays after the merger which, considering how UFC treats their talent, should worry people way more than whether they can get paid for streaming or not. Donāt think thereās anything substantive to worry about with WWE talent pay after the merger yet at all. UFC is a completely different animal. And the Twitch deal is a huge boon for the talent, they can make a lot doing that, which Iām sure is one of the draws for those taking less money to go to AEW.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 19, 2023 19:44:50 GMT -5
On one hand I'm glad someone is taking it to Amazon but on the other WWE has no right to anyone's cut of anyone and if Amazon hadn't been willing to give it, either they'd have gone for wrestlers' cut or they would have just continued not having any arrangement. That's still working in every way to the detriment of their talent here. Unless some partnership is being launched that will work to actually promote their wrestlers, all they did was 'get back' shit that should never have been taken away.
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Post by mistery on Apr 19, 2023 19:59:06 GMT -5
It really cannot be understated how absolutely batshit insane it is that it is legal for so called "independent contractors" to have their side hustles controlled by the company they contract for. f*** WWE for having the nerve to request anything from what talent does in their free time. Except its being reported that WWE isn't taking the cut from the talent's side of things. They are taking it from the Twitch/Amazon side of things. The talent will very likely get 50% of each sub, and then Twitch will probably get 45%, and WWE 5%. Assuming someone opts into the $5 subscription thing for the streamer, that would mean the streamer gets $2.50, Twitch gets $2.25, and WWE only gets 25 cents. That's...not a lot. At all. And no, WWE isn't taking the talent's cut here, because Twitch has adopted a hardline policy of 50/50 for the vast majority of their streamers. They don't do 70/30 or 60/40 or anything of the sort anymore. It's been a pain point among streamers for around a year now. I imagine part of this change is coming around because Twitter is rapidly going down the toilet, and with them taking away legacy verified checkmarks tomorrow (supposedly, although they might back down again because Elon is an idiot), and big companies pulling all of their advertising, WWE is likely shifting over to other ways to expand their brand. Twitch is popular among young adults, which would be a lucrative market for WWE.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 19, 2023 20:42:09 GMT -5
It really cannot be understated how absolutely batshit insane it is that it is legal for so called "independent contractors" to have their side hustles controlled by the company they contract for. f*** WWE for having the nerve to request anything from what talent does in their free time. Yeah, honestly, a lot of this discussion is just semantics. Theyāre doing ābetterā in this case but there is historical precedence of WWE in general just plain robbing from their talent and expecting them to be grateful because theyāre working for the biggest wrestling company in the world. Like, Iāll stress again; for a guy whose the biggest star in the company, Roman Reigns should be on LeBron money. Instead, heās on Scottie Pippin 1995 money. Which is more than most of us would get but in the wider context of sports and entertainment, most wouldnāt get out of bed for. And at least Pippen had the majority of his transport provided.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Apr 19, 2023 20:52:32 GMT -5
So this dragged on because of legal going back and forth for ages until a contract was finalized. I wonder what compromises were made, other than the percentage to WWE.
Either way, a huge victory for the talent and Iām sure theyāll be plugging this on WWE TV.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 19, 2023 20:54:23 GMT -5
It really cannot be understated how absolutely batshit insane it is that it is legal for so called "independent contractors" to have their side hustles controlled by the company they contract for. f*** WWE for having the nerve to request anything from what talent does in their free time. Except its being reported that WWE isn't taking the cut from the talent's side of things. They are taking it from the Twitch/Amazon side of things. The talent will very likely get 50% of each sub, and then Twitch will probably get 45%, and WWE 5%. Assuming someone opts into the $5 subscription thing for the streamer, that would mean the streamer gets $2.50, Twitch gets $2.25, and WWE only gets 25 cents. That's...not a lot. At all. And no, WWE isn't taking the talent's cut here, because Twitch has adopted a hardline policy of 50/50 for the vast majority of their streamers. They don't do 70/30 or 60/40 or anything of the sort anymore. It's been a pain point among streamers for around a year now. I imagine part of this change is coming around because Twitter is rapidly going down the toilet, and with them taking away legacy verified checkmarks tomorrow (supposedly, although they might back down again because Elon is an idiot), and big companies pulling all of their advertising, WWE is likely shifting over to other ways to expand their brand. Twitch is popular among young adults, which would be a lucrative market for WWE. No the problem here is that WWE doesn't deserve a single cent of it, and they held the entire concept of wrestlers streaming hostage for several years just to reach this deal where they were getting money from it. That's the problem here. WWE shouldn't be getting any cut from anyone's money for any of this.
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Post by mistery on Apr 19, 2023 21:23:04 GMT -5
Except its being reported that WWE isn't taking the cut from the talent's side of things. They are taking it from the Twitch/Amazon side of things. The talent will very likely get 50% of each sub, and then Twitch will probably get 45%, and WWE 5%. Assuming someone opts into the $5 subscription thing for the streamer, that would mean the streamer gets $2.50, Twitch gets $2.25, and WWE only gets 25 cents. That's...not a lot. At all. And no, WWE isn't taking the talent's cut here, because Twitch has adopted a hardline policy of 50/50 for the vast majority of their streamers. They don't do 70/30 or 60/40 or anything of the sort anymore. It's been a pain point among streamers for around a year now. I imagine part of this change is coming around because Twitter is rapidly going down the toilet, and with them taking away legacy verified checkmarks tomorrow (supposedly, although they might back down again because Elon is an idiot), and big companies pulling all of their advertising, WWE is likely shifting over to other ways to expand their brand. Twitch is popular among young adults, which would be a lucrative market for WWE. No the problem here is that WWE doesn't deserve a single cent of it, and they held the entire concept of wrestlers streaming hostage for several years just to reach this deal where they were getting money from it. That's the problem here. WWE shouldn't be getting any cut from anyone's money for any of this. Well guess what? It looks like the split may actually be even better than expected (50/45/5) for talent. Like mentioned before, most splits are 50/50 now with Twitch partners and affiliates. If WWE somehow managed to get their talent a better split than that, then people shouldn't be bitching about WWE "holding Twitch stuff hostage". Especially with Twitch being as hardline as they are towards their partners and affiliates normally. I'm going to put this in bold text to emphasize how big of a deal this actually is: If WWE wasn't involved now, but still let wrestlers stream, they (the wrestlers) would only be taking home 50% of each sub. WWE working with Twitch now has made it so the wrestlers are actually making MORE through Twitch.This is a very big deal, and while WWE was awful for banning them from streaming for awhile, that no longer seems to be the case, and its okay to give WWE some credit where credit is due.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Apr 19, 2023 21:28:16 GMT -5
Rhea Ripley busting thru the door of the first Brennan/Manny return stream like I'M GONNA SAY IT
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Apr 19, 2023 22:24:30 GMT -5
What are the MMM's Twitch handles?
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