The WGA/SAG-AFTRA Strike: Deal Is Brought To You By Letter D

[willywonka666]

Following kinda closely- I really don't think the writers will get everything they want, and if so, someone else will pay, namely the viewing audience. Will they be comfortable with that on their heads?

I mean as long as we are talking fairness, I'm doubting they are going to be too worried on if the general public is going to have the buck passed to them, even though they do seem like a passionate bunch

[Feargus McReddit]

Aug 11, 2023 7:58:49 GMT -5 willywonka666 said:

Following kinda closely- I really don't think the writers will get everything they want, and if so, someone else will pay, namely the viewing audience. Will they be comfortable with that on their heads?

I mean as long as we are talking fairness, I'm doubting they are going to be too worried on if the general public is going to have the buck passed to them, even though they do seem like a passionate bunch

I mean, if we're talking about fairness, CEOs wouldn't be paid hundreds of millions regardless of if something's successful or not, thus taking potential money away from solving some of the issues in the company or paying others better rates.

Like, you can't tell me Iger's 27m a year couldn't be put towards subscribers not having to pay more for Disney+ every year.

[Zombie Mod]

the extra funds from price increases wont go to actors/writers/etc it'll still go to the higher ups in the companies.

[willywonka666]

Aug 11, 2023 8:04:34 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

Aug 11, 2023 7:58:49 GMT -5 willywonka666 said:

Following kinda closely- I really don't think the writers will get everything they want, and if so, someone else will pay, namely the viewing audience. Will they be comfortable with that on their heads?

I mean as long as we are talking fairness, I'm doubting they are going to be too worried on if the general public is going to have the buck passed to them, even though they do seem like a passionate bunch

I mean, if we're talking about fairness, CEOs wouldn't be paid hundreds of millions regardless of if something's successful or not, thus taking potential money away from solving some of the issues in the company or paying others better rates.

Like, you can't tell me Iger's 27m a year couldn't be put towards subscribers not having to pay more for Disney+ every year.

Oh absolutely, but it won't and they are going to need the writers and actors sooner or later, but i see it coming out of the viewers pockets, and I think they'll lay a guilt trip on the writes for it, or the public will freak out once they realize.

They're going to have to rob Peter to pay Paul if they don't want to be out anything

[Feargus McReddit]

Aug 11, 2023 8:06:50 GMT -5 willywonka666 said:

Aug 11, 2023 8:04:34 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

I mean, if we're talking about fairness, CEOs wouldn't be paid hundreds of millions regardless of if something's successful or not, thus taking potential money away from solving some of the issues in the company or paying others better rates.

Like, you can't tell me Iger's 27m a year couldn't be put towards subscribers not having to pay more for Disney+ every year.

Oh absolutely, but it won't and they are going to need the writers and actors sooner or later, but i see it coming out of the viewers pockets, and I think they'll lay a guilt trip on the writes for it, or the public will freak out once they realize.

They're going to have to rob Peter to pay Paul if they don't want to be out anything

People have accepted that for the most part, especially since a lot of people have unsubscribed to Disney+ since the Writer's Strike started since that's way easier than dealing with it (Not saying that has to do with it, but I'd be shocked if there wasn't a substantial percentage who did it for that reason).

Like, it feels a bit simple to say that when the solutions are more widespread (not putting so much money into projects so there's pressure for them to make the money back and have to work harder etc). And it also feels simpler when the majority of the people being talked about just want a fair wage and live off what they do.

[Feargus McReddit]

Hey folks, do you want to see a scab outside its natural habitat?

[The Captain]

I wonder how myopic he feels.

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

My first assumption was that as soon as the cameras were gone Amell would do a Krusty the Clown after filming a Krustyburger commercial and bail.

But then I remembered we're in the age of everybody having cameras and a public forum to share their photos to, so he's probably got to put in a full day of "reductive negotiating" and hating every second.

Good.

[Jedi-El of Tomorrow]

Aug 11, 2023 12:49:50 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

Hey folks, do you want to see a scab outside its natural habitat?

Amell: "Had I just kept my mouth shut I wouldn't have to be here. Maybe I should think before I act or speak."

["American Cream" Dusty Loads]

Aug 11, 2023 7:58:49 GMT -5 willywonka666 said:

Following kinda closely- I really don't think the writers will get everything they want, and if so, someone else will pay, namely the viewing audience. Will they be comfortable with that on their heads?

I mean as long as we are talking fairness, I'm doubting they are going to be too worried on if the general public is going to have the buck passed to them, even though they do seem like a passionate bunch

They shouldn’t have to worry if the general public has to pay more for streaming subscriptions and the like. It’s not their problem or their fault.

[The Captain]

Aug 11, 2023 7:58:49 GMT -5 willywonka666 said:

Following kinda closely- I really don't think the writers will get everything they want, and if so, someone else will pay, namely the viewing audience. Will they be comfortable with that on their heads?

I mean as long as we are talking fairness, I'm doubting they are going to be too worried on if the general public is going to have the buck passed to them, even though they do seem like a passionate bunch

What the actors and writers are asking for combined is a pittance compared to the revenue and profits studios and streamers are making.

And regardless, they were going to raise prices. Not because they're passing any sort of buck to the customer, because if they were it'd be practically nonexistent. But pure greed.

[Lizuka #BLM]

I imagine Disney's price rises mostly come out of how they've just been doing really poorly lately. Their movies keep flopping and they lost a ton of Disney+ subscribers last quarter. They're basically just hoping the extra money from the price hike will offset people who cancel over it long enough to get them through one more quarter because that's all businesses care about, just the next quarter.

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

[The Dark Order Inferno]

Disney tried to crush Netflix with lavish spending on shows based on their biggest properties and ended up setting expectations for their output too high to be unsustainable, and not only that, they cannibalised cash cows like Marvel and Pixar to do so. A straight to streaming/DVD Pixar would have seemed unthinkable ten years ago, and now, here we are, and there's so.much marvel content the MCU feels like a daunting task to follow.

Nos everyone else gets to suffer, actors, writers, customers, but not the people who made the decision, they're compensated for failure.

[Feargus McReddit]

Aug 15, 2023 1:58:57 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

Now everyone else gets to suffer, actors, writers, customers, but not the people who made the decision, they're compensated for failure.

Not just “gets to”, are expected to. Our spending and our overflowing of the market has to be passed down to you because it’s your responsibility for taking all that money to spend with on projects or work on projects or watch said projects.

It’s why the argument about “give and take” annoyed me. So much of this is people up top getting more and more money and then turning around and expecting people who need full time, beneficial jobs to suddenly work 2-3 jobs as well and hope you can crack through to get more substantial deals (with those people at least fighting for the rest of the unions and supporting them, as they should). And the fact a tiny tiny percentage of that would go a long way in paying people what they want and protect them from AI and not have to work in shitty broom closets away from the actual filming or get something for their work going on streaming says a lot about how far things have gone.

[Bo Rida]

The whole streaming model is broken. Think what you used to pay for one physical disk and what you pay now for 1000s of hours of content.

The idea of these "distruptive" companies is always undercut the market operating at a loss, the established model can't compete on price, new company has near monopoly, they then exploit that monopoly(/advantage) and increase prices and cut costs to make bigger profits than ever. Uber, Amazon, Airbnb, social media, whatever.

Trouble with streaming is the monopoly part didn't quite work and we're left with a system that doesn't really benefit anyone but the execs taking the money out.

[Lizuka #BLM]

It's pretty much impossible that the reason studios so adamantly refuse to divulge any metrics on anything ever is anything but, "We are losing a shitload of money while skimming off the top on everything."

If anyone should be replaced by AI it's the executives because it's not like those people do literally anything of value anyway. CEOs are paid to be trash.

[salz4life]

I will never not love Aubrey Plaza!!!

[thechase]

According to Bloomberg, Hollywood studios have now made an offer to these striking scribes that includes a number of concessions.

Those include a greater level of transparency with viewer data and a promise that humans will remain the credited writers of screenplays and not AI programs.

Steamers currently keep viewership data a closely guarded secret, but that information would be shared with writers moving forward, specifically in regard to the number of hours a title is viewed.

That will presumably make a big difference to some of the laughable residual cheques we've seen shared on social media lately.

In fact, the studios are also offering a 20+% increase in residual payments for TV shows which appear on networks other than the one they were made for.

Despite becoming a target of those on strike for describing the actions of WGA and SAG-AFTRA members as "disturbing," Disney CEO Bob Iger and Netflix's co-CEO Ted Sarandos are believed to be spearheading these latest attempts to reach a deal with writers.

The WGA is thought to be considering the proposals, but whether they'll be enough to get writers back behind their keyboards remains to be seen.

It's certainly a step in the right direction, though we'd imagine actors will remain on the picket lines until they receive similar assurances.

As always, keep checking back here for updates on this developing story as we have them.

comicbookmovie.com/other/wga-strike-may-be-nearing-its-end-as-netflix-and-disney-bosses-make-writers-new-offer-on-behalf-of-studios-a205025

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Aug 15, 2023 8:44:28 GMT -5 thechase said:

According to Bloomberg, Hollywood studios have now made an offer to these striking scribes that includes a number of concessions.

Those include a greater level of transparency with viewer data and a promise that humans will remain the credited writers of screenplays and not AI programs.

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Steamers currently keep viewership data a closely guarded secret, but that information would be shared with writers moving forward, specifically in regard to the number of hours a title is viewed.

That will presumably make a big difference to some of the laughable residual cheques we've seen shared on social media lately.

In fact, the studios are also offering a 20+% increase in residual payments for TV shows which appear on networks other than the one they were made for.

Despite becoming a target of those on strike for describing the actions of WGA and SAG-AFTRA members as "disturbing," Disney CEO Bob Iger and Netflix's co-CEO Ted Sarandos are believed to be spearheading these latest attempts to reach a deal with writers.

The WGA is thought to be considering the proposals, but whether they'll be enough to get writers back behind their keyboards remains to be seen.

It's certainly a step in the right direction, though we'd imagine actors will remain on the picket lines until they receive similar assurances.

As always, keep checking back here for updates on this developing story as we have them.

comicbookmovie.com/other/wga-strike-may-be-nearing-its-end-as-netflix-and-disney-bosses-make-writers-new-offer-on-behalf-of-studios-a205025

I have read a proposed theory that this is not an actual proposal but leaked by the studios so it makes the WGA look bad when they decline.