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Post by horsemen4ever on Sept 24, 2023 16:33:57 GMT -5
At this point, giving how close they are reportedly are, the WGA should just agree to whatever is on the table, and let the members vote. If I was a member of that writer's union, that is what I would be pushing for, let me choice for myself if this deal good enough or not, if it is worth to continue to be unemployed, don't decide for me.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Sept 24, 2023 20:48:25 GMT -5
At this point, giving how close they are reportedly are, the WGA should just agree to whatever is on the table, and let the members vote. If I was a member of that writer's union, that is what I would be pushing for, let me choice for myself if this deal good enough or not, if it is worth to continue to be unemployed, don't decide for me. But if the deal is clearly a bad deal, I’d then wonder why they accepted that deal in the first place and wonder whether they could fight for a better one if I reject it. At the end of the day, in that scenario, I paid my fees so these people and agreed to a strike so they could give me the best one possible and not just take anything and make it difficult to get back on the table again. Along with that, this is all on the AMPTP. If they sloshed around for 145 days, managed to drag themselves onto the table and then couldn’t nail it down across three days, even with the media machine behind them…the f*** is the point of them? These companies should go ahead and make separate deals with the writers and actors if that’s who they’re being represented by. |
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Post by The Captain on Sept 24, 2023 20:53:43 GMT -5
You don't want a repeat of the DGA where they settled for what's ultimately a real crappy deal (and thus selling out both WGA and SAG in presenting a united creative labor front).
And for all we know, they aren't actually close at all. It could just the AMPTP using the press as a weapon to make the writers look bad if they reject the AMPTP's latest offer.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 24, 2023 21:16:02 GMT -5
At this point, giving how close they are reportedly are, the WGA should just agree to whatever is on the table, and let the members vote. If I was a member of that writer's union, that is what I would be pushing for, let me choice for myself if this deal good enough or not, if it is worth to continue to be unemployed, don't decide for me. That's not at all how collective bargaining works....you literally elect people to negotiate for you, they bring it to you, then you vote. If you wanna decide for yourself, run for a position within the union. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Sept 24, 2023 21:17:04 GMT -5
And as we write all this, apparently a tentative deal has been reached.
It just happened so nothing from the WGA yet but it does seem like people are getting emails so expect an announcement (and not a trade published story) very soon.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Sept 24, 2023 21:20:36 GMT -5
Does not mean the strike is over, or this’ll even be accepted, but progress has been made.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 24, 2023 21:29:18 GMT -5
Does not mean the strike is over, or this’ll even be accepted, but progress has been made. This is what the guy a few posts above wants, now it's voting time. |
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Post by horsemen4ever on Sept 24, 2023 21:29:33 GMT -5
Looks like it might be over, but you still need the votes, let's see if it gets approved. If so, up next SAG.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Sept 24, 2023 21:32:39 GMT -5
Way to go WGA!
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Sept 24, 2023 21:32:58 GMT -5
Does not mean the strike is over, or this’ll even be accepted, but progress has been made. This is what the guy a few posts above wants, now it's voting time. There are too many people on social media right now being like “IT’S OVER!” and it’s like, bro, it’s going to be a bit longer before the lawyers draft things into a structured deal never mind the vote happening. |
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Post by horsemen4ever on Sept 24, 2023 21:35:40 GMT -5
And as we write all this, apparently a tentative deal has been reached. It just happened so nothing from the WGA yet but it does seem like people are getting emails so expect an announcement (and not a trade published story) very soon. Okay but that is how the baseball lockout was settled. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 24, 2023 21:35:57 GMT -5
This is what the guy a few posts above wants, now it's voting time. There are too many people on social media right now being like “IT’S OVER!” and it’s like, bro, it’s going to be a bit longer before the lawyers draft things into a structured deal never mind the vote happening. I never liked what the union brought to us this year in my job, but what I wanted was never gonna happen anyway, plus I had to work the night of the vote...Anyway, we got a little, nothing close to what we lost, but at least we're on par with what should have been happening back in 2015 or so. Only 8 years behind, not bad, much better than no union. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Sept 24, 2023 21:40:15 GMT -5
And as we write all this, apparently a tentative deal has been reached. It just happened so nothing from the WGA yet but it does seem like people are getting emails so expect an announcement (and not a trade published story) very soon. Okay but that is how the baseball lockout was settled. I mean, yes, all strikes have tentative deals that have to be drafted and agreed to. Because I don’t know what other reason you have to respond to this post in particular. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 24, 2023 21:43:02 GMT -5
And as we write all this, apparently a tentative deal has been reached. It just happened so nothing from the WGA yet but it does seem like people are getting emails so expect an announcement (and not a trade published story) very soon. Okay but that is how the baseball lockout was settled. Yeah, the union goes “Ok cool, we will take it to the members to ratify and the union members vote yes, so the deal is accepted or the union votes no and back to the table goes the union and back to the picket lines go the union members. I’m guessing you’re not part of a union? |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Sept 24, 2023 21:44:45 GMT -5
There are too many people on social media right now being like “IT’S OVER!” and it’s like, bro, it’s going to be a bit longer before the lawyers draft things into a structured deal never mind the vote happening. I never liked what the union brought to us this year in my job, but what I wanted was never gonna happen anyway, plus I had to work the night of the vote...Anyway, we got a little, nothing close to what we lost, but at least we're on par with what should have been happening back in 2015 or so. Only 8 years behind, not bad, much better than no union. I had my first union vote last year and whilst it wasn’t perfect and I do wish I had more time to view it after I joined, I do work for a government job so the unions here are protective enough where I don’t need to worry as much, albeit like you said, some stuff that should have happened wasn’t going to in the first place. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 24, 2023 21:47:42 GMT -5
I never liked what the union brought to us this year in my job, but what I wanted was never gonna happen anyway, plus I had to work the night of the vote...Anyway, we got a little, nothing close to what we lost, but at least we're on par with what should have been happening back in 2015 or so. Only 8 years behind, not bad, much better than no union. I had my first union vote last year and whilst it wasn’t perfect and I do wish I had more time to view it after I joined, I do work for a government job so the unions here are protective enough where I don’t need to worry as much, albeit like you said, some stuff that should have happened wasn’t going to in the first place. I’m municipal government too. So, like you said, not much to worry about, but we took 0% for a lot of years when oil tanked, when it was riding high, we were getting 3.5, 5% raises. So, six years of 0% or 1% and 7% inflation, plus me and a couple others, specifically, took rollbacks, I lost a lot. Not my job, mind you, but a lot of money. |
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Post by The Captain on Sept 24, 2023 21:48:36 GMT -5
The baseball lockout was the team owners locking out the players, not a player union-authorized strike. Two completely different dynamics in play. Not to mention completely different reasons and methods behind both.
Glad the WGA got a tentative deal, and I hope they got the most important things they wanted. Doesn't mean the strike is over, but we're in the home stretch. Also, hopefully the writers still show solidarity with SAG and don't ratify any deals until the actors get their own deals done.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Sept 24, 2023 21:51:33 GMT -5
If this is a good deal, good for the WGA.
That being said, this could have been settled long ago, but Netflix and the streamers messed it up. I am hoping Hollywood takes a good long at them and cuts them off from the AMPTP.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Sept 24, 2023 21:52:41 GMT -5
The baseball lockout was the team owners locking out the players, not a player union-authorized strike. Two completely different dynamics in play. Not to mention completely different reasons and methods behind both. Glad the WGA got a tentative deal, and I hope they got the most important things they wanted. Doesn't mean the strike is over, but we're in the home stretch. Also, hopefully the writers still show solidarity with SAG and don't ratify any deals until the actors get their own deals done. It is encouraging that they’re still asking the writers to support SAG in their pickets so hopefully if something is agreed do, they wait until the SAG negotiations to rectify it as you said because at the end of the day, both need to happen before productions start again. And frankly, they have the power to say that at this point because of how much the AMPTP stumbled through all this. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 21:53:43 GMT -5
The baseball lockout was the team owners locking out the players, not a player union-authorized strike. Two completely different dynamics in play. Not to mention completely different reasons and methods behind both. Glad the WGA got a tentative deal, and I hope they got the most important things they wanted. Doesn't mean the strike is over, but we're in the home stretch. Also, hopefully the writers still show solidarity with SAG and don't ratify any deals until the actors get their own deals done. This is what I hope. It is great their is a tentative deal but don't ratify anything untill SAG gets what they are fighting for to. Because I would think if the WGA does ratify then the actors might be forced to take a worse deal than they would like. |
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