The WGA/SAG-AFTRA Strike: Deal Is Brought To You By Letter D

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Sept 24, 2023 21:51:33 GMT -5 horsemen4ever said:

If this is a good deal, good for the WGA.

That being said, this could have been settled long ago, but Netflix and the streamers messed it up. I am hoping Hollywood takes a good long at them and cuts them off from the AMPTP.

Ever strike could be settled long ago if the corporation just folded to what the union wanted, but then there would be no need for a union.

[horsemen4ever]

Sept 24, 2023 21:48:36 GMT -5 The Captain said:

Glad the WGA got a tentative deal, and I hope they got the most important things they wanted. Doesn't mean the strike is over, but we're in the home stretch. Also, hopefully the writers still show solidarity with SAG and don't ratify any deals until the actors get their own deals done.

I agree, though part of me would love to see these talk shows come back with actors not allowed to promote anything. It would be something to see. You have to admit that.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Sept 24, 2023 21:52:41 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

Sept 24, 2023 21:48:36 GMT -5 The Captain said:

The baseball lockout was the team owners locking out the players, not a player union-authorized strike. Two completely different dynamics in play. Not to mention completely different reasons and methods behind both.

Glad the WGA got a tentative deal, and I hope they got the most important things they wanted. Doesn't mean the strike is over, but we're in the home stretch. Also, hopefully the writers still show solidarity with SAG and don't ratify any deals until the actors get their own deals done.

It is encouraging that they’re still asking the writers to support SAG in their pickets so hopefully if something is agreed do, they wait until the SAG negotiations to rectify it as you said because at the end of the day, both need to happen before productions start again.

And frankly, they have the power to say that at this point because of how much the AMPTP stumbled through all this.

I guess if it helps people, think back to the Simpsons episode where the Power Plant went on strike or the teachers went on strike and the piano tuners joined them in a sympathy strike.

Also, there's nothing saying people can't work without a contract, strikes and lockouts are what happens when talks aren't going well or someone wants to make a point.

[Feargus McReddit]

Sept 24, 2023 21:55:57 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

Sept 24, 2023 21:52:41 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

It is encouraging that they’re still asking the writers to support SAG in their pickets so hopefully if something is agreed do, they wait until the SAG negotiations to rectify it as you said because at the end of the day, both need to happen before productions start again.

And frankly, they have the power to say that at this point because of how much the AMPTP stumbled through all this.

I guess if it helps people, think back to the Simpsons episode where the Power Plant went on strike or the teachers went on strike and the piano tuners joined them in a sympathy strike.

Also, there's nothing saying people can't work without a contract, strikes and lockouts are what happens when talks aren't going well or someone wants to make a point.

It weirdly did sort of happen in real life. The UPS Teamsters got a deal so good, stock prices fell because shareholders hated it for one. And the auto workers strike is either starting soon or ongoing as we speak. It’s not quite a big revolution but it’s inspired more chances to be taken with these things.

I think what makes things more interesting is that the vote for an actor video game strike is still ongoing and if that happens, we’ll have a case where it’s the other way where movies could be worked on and not video games and it’ll be curious to see how the big game companies react to that.

[horsemen4ever]

Sept 24, 2023 21:53:43 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

Because I would think if the WGA does ratify then the actors might be forced to take a worse deal than they would like.

Yeah plus as far as public sympathy goes, people will sympathize with writers, while actors on the other hand, some might see it as just rich greedy actors wanting more money, like they do with the sport athletes.

I find it just weird, how people would side with billionaires that own sports team over athletes. Why is it?

[horsemen4ever]

This is probably a dumb question, but is there a music union? These musicians, singers, etc., they deserve the same protection that SAG gives the actors. If not, they should be. All my life I have never heard about the stars of music going on strike.

[Feargus McReddit]

There is not a non-zero amount of people that think this means The Rock or John Cen aren’t showing up on WWE anymore when this happens and I don’t remember either of them being considered writers.

[wildojinx]

Sept 24, 2023 22:06:00 GMT -5 horsemen4ever said:

This is probably a dumb question, but is there a music union? These musicians, singers, etc., they deserve the same protection that SAG gives the actors. If not, they should be. All my life I have never heard about the stars of music going on strike.

Come to think of it, is there a union for professional songwriters too (ie, the songwriters outside of a band who provide lyrics to artists, ie Dianne Warren, Bernie Taupin, Desmond Child)?

[The Captain]

There is no musicians' union and the RIAA and its members have raked artists over the coals ever since.

[Jedi-El of Tomorrow]

Sept 24, 2023 22:16:22 GMT -5 The Captain said:

There is no musicians' union and the RIAA and its members have raked artists over the coals ever since.

Look no further than the musician who's currently shattering tour records, and was the main focus of a Kansas City Chiefs game.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Sept 24, 2023 22:06:00 GMT -5 horsemen4ever said:

This is probably a dumb question, but is there a music union? These musicians, singers, etc., they deserve the same protection that SAG gives the actors. If not, they should be. All my life I have never heard about the stars of music going on strike.

ASCAP is why you never hear more than 2 seconds of a popular song on a podcast.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Sept 24, 2023 22:16:22 GMT -5 The Captain said:

There is no musicians' union and the RIAA and its members have raked artists over the coals ever since.

It was like 20 years ago now when RIAA tried suing LimeWire for more money than was in active circulation on the planet, claiming that was their losses. Since you still have at least a nickel on you, you know how well that went.

[horsemen4ever]

Drew Barrymore she is like Big Show after Survivor Series 2014, is she could have just waited a little longer.

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Sept 24, 2023 21:59:58 GMT -5 horsemen4ever said:

Yeah plus as far as public sympathy goes, people will sympathize with writers, while actors on the other hand, some might see it as just rich greedy actors wanting more money, like they do with the sport athletes.

There's an extraodinary number of people out there who flat out oppose the SAG strike because "it's just a bunch of millionaires who want a few extra zeros on their cheques," completely oblivious to the fact that the average yearly earnings of SAG members is around $25,000.

There's also a lot of shortsighted assholes using the argument "If the best acting part you can get is a bartender, waitress, or bus driver, you're clearly not a good actor and deserve to be replaced by AI and won't be missed." Though it did lead to Jamie Lee Curtis savaging somebody in a reply by posting a pic of her playing a waitress in an episode of Columbo and a pic of her holding her Academy Award.

[Hit Girl]

Sept 24, 2023 23:03:21 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

Sept 24, 2023 21:59:58 GMT -5 horsemen4ever said:

Yeah plus as far as public sympathy goes, people will sympathize with writers, while actors on the other hand, some might see it as just rich greedy actors wanting more money, like they do with the sport athletes.

There's an extraodinary number of people out there who flat out oppose the SAG strike because "it's just a bunch of millionaires who want a few extra zeros on their cheques," completely oblivious to the fact that the average yearly earnings of SAG members is around $25,000.

There's also a lot of shortsighted assholes using the argument "If the best acting part you can get is a bartender, waitress, or bus driver, you're clearly not a good actor and deserve to be replaced by AI and won't be missed." Though it did lead to Jamie Lee Curtis savaging somebody in a reply by posting a pic of her playing a waitress in an episode of Columbo and a pic of her holding her Academy Award.

Those same assholes probably talk shit about real bartenders, waitresses and bus drivers.

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Sept 24, 2023 23:12:32 GMT -5 Hit Girl said:

Those same assholes probably talk shit about real bartenders, waitresses and bus drivers.

Without question. Probably under the assumption that their jobs would never be under threat from automation or AI, when the reality is if their bosses thought it would save money they'd replace them in a heartbeat.

And probably will one day.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Welp if the Actors reach an agreement soon, we won't have to worry about Rock vs Roman, and suddenly Cena won't be around anymore lol

I hope they get it though

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Sept 24, 2023 22:25:45 GMT -5 horsemen4ever said:

Drew Barrymore she is like Big Show after Survivor Series 2014, is she could have just waited a little longer.

I'm glad she got exposed as the fraud she is tbh

There's been something so unbelievably fake about her for years as she tried to stay relevant, and now she can't hide behind that anymore.

[Feargus McReddit]

Sept 24, 2023 22:16:22 GMT -5 The Captain said:

There is no musicians' union and the RIAA and its members have raked artists over the coals ever since.

I also feel like if there was some kind of musicians union, you wouldn't be hearing about every major artist selling the rights to their music for hundreds of millions of dollars rather than actually get much from producing it.

[Savage Gambino]

Sept 24, 2023 21:59:58 GMT -5 horsemen4ever said:

Sept 24, 2023 21:53:43 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

Because I would think if the WGA does ratify then the actors might be forced to take a worse deal than they would like.

Yeah plus as far as public sympathy goes, people will sympathize with writers, while actors on the other hand, some might see it as just rich greedy actors wanting more money, like they do with the sport athletes.

I find it just weird, how people would side with billionaires that own sports team over athletes. Why is it?

Classic conditional fallacy. A lot of people think "if LeBron James is an athlete, and LeBron James is incredibly wealthy, then all athletes must be incredibly wealthy", and you can just as easily switch out "athlete" for "actor" and "LeBron" for "Robert Downey Jr". Never mind the fact that literally every franchise owner or producer is richer than any athlete or actor. Chris Rock put it best, describing it as the difference between being rich and being wealthy: Shaquille O'Neal is rich, but the guy who signs Shaquille's checks is wealthy.