|
|
Post by polarbearpete on May 10, 2023 8:55:23 GMT -5
Figure with all of the rumors out there, it would make sense to have a thread purely about the imminent announcement of their new deal.
For those not keeping up, some of the rumors include:
- a deal with Warner worth over $1 billion in total value
- 2 hour Dynamite, 2 hour Collision, 1 hour Rampage weekly
- moving of all PPVs to the new Max subscription service
|
|
WIENERS=$$$
Hank Scorpio
Gif Master Extraordinaire
Hug?
Posts: 6,567
|
Post by WIENERS=$$$ on May 10, 2023 9:16:47 GMT -5
Anything that increases the accessibility of the product is good, especially in the digital era where many have given up on cable/satellite television.
Interested to see if this were to happen what bundles would come from it, and if Tony were able to negotiate ROH into the service.
|
|
|
|
Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 10, 2023 9:29:23 GMT -5
If the PPVs move to Max and are included in the subscription I will save so much money.
|
|
|
|
Post by kingoftheindies on May 10, 2023 9:55:58 GMT -5
Can I just say that I'm still amused how part of the new deal is all AEW content will be on WBD platforms but WBD still doesn't want anything to do with ROH?
|
|
Jonathan Michaels
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Archduke of Levity
Here since TNA was still kinda okay
Posts: 18,613
|
Post by Jonathan Michaels on May 10, 2023 10:14:41 GMT -5
It honestly seems a bit low if the PPVs are included.
Basically, they’re getting the same money WWE is getting from Peacock for the WWE Network domestically.
Which means they’ll be getting $200 million a year while WWE is getting $700 million a year between TV and PPV
|
|
|
|
Post by polarbearpete on May 10, 2023 10:18:47 GMT -5
It honestly seems a bit low if the PPVs are included. Basically, they’re getting the same money WWE is getting from Peacock for the WWE Network domestically. Which means they’ll be getting $200 million a year while WWE is getting $700 million a year between TV and PPV They don’t have the history/brand recognition of WWE, nor the ratings. I think a valuation of 1/3 or 1/4 of WWE’s TV/streaming deals makes sense. The PPVs are also worth less than WWEs. Their high water mark for PPV is around 170-180K buys (outside of All Out 2021), and that’s 4-5 times per year. 170K buys, 5 times per year, at $50 per show, splitting 50/50 with the PPV provider means they’re giving up around $20 million in revenue per year to fold those into Max. WWE would have some of the shows they folded into the Network that were doing 1 million buys, and they gave up all 12 PPVs to the Network/Peacock, plus their vast library of content. |
|
|
|
Post by Gerard Gerard on May 10, 2023 10:21:32 GMT -5
Can I just say that I'm still amused how part of the new deal is all AEW content will be on WBD platforms but WBD still doesn't want anything to do with ROH? I'm surprised TK hasn't tried a cheeky "AEW: Ring of Honor" for lulzs. |
|
mrbananagrabber
King Koopa
Paul Heyman's unofficial joke writer
Posts: 11,892
|
Post by mrbananagrabber on May 10, 2023 10:36:41 GMT -5
It honestly seems a bit low if the PPVs are included. Basically, they’re getting the same money WWE is getting from Peacock for the WWE Network domestically. Which means they’ll be getting $200 million a year while WWE is getting $700 million a year between TV and PPV I don’t think it’s fare to compare a company with 3 years of content and WWE’s never ending level of content, not to mention WCW etc. 200 mill isn’t anything to be sniffed at. |
|
|
|
Post by kingoftheindies on May 10, 2023 11:10:27 GMT -5
I also feel I have to say this. As much as people want to dunk on Tony for different things, he isn't an idiot when it comes to business. If thr numbers are even remotely close to what is being reported AEW's growth in terms of revenue for a company so young goes from rare to basically unheard of
|
|
|
|
Post by markymark on May 10, 2023 11:12:29 GMT -5
|
|
Kalmia
King Koopa
Happy to be here
Posts: 12,658 
|
Post by Kalmia on May 10, 2023 11:13:05 GMT -5
IMO, that's an awesome number for AEW. Even excluding current viewing figures and brand recognition, you can't compare it to the WWE deal when WWE is producing at least 12 PPVs a year and have an archive that goes back decades.
I don't think for a second that AEW has ever been close to financial trouble or folding, nor would it be in the next few years, but $200+ million a year is huge for them and probably relieves a little pressure.
|
|
|
|
Post by Feargus McReddit on May 10, 2023 11:14:22 GMT -5
It honestly seems a bit low if the PPVs are included. Basically, they’re getting the same money WWE is getting from Peacock for the WWE Network domestically. Which means they’ll be getting $200 million a year while WWE is getting $700 million a year between TV and PPV I don’t think it’s fare to compare a company with 3 years of content and WWE’s never ending level of content, not to mention WCW etc. 200 mill isn’t anything to be sniffed at. Especially considering the older deal was worth, what, $175m over 4 years (at least according to Jericho anyway)? Getting more than that for one year for a second company in its 4th year of existance is crazy. |
|
|
|
Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 10, 2023 11:19:11 GMT -5
I'll probably become way more interested in watching AEW if that PPV deal thing happens, honestly. It's kind of easy to write off something where I don't really have a lot of interest in it on paper when the end direction is, "Now pay $50 for it," but if I can just stream it on a subscription I have anyway then it makes it a lot easier to give things a shake. As it is I haven't watched an AEW PPV since last year's Double or Nothing but that'd probably change if they were more conveniently and cheaply accessible.
|
|
salz4life
Grimlock
Prichard is a guy who gets that his job is to service his boss.
Posts: 14,472
|
Post by salz4life on May 10, 2023 11:20:03 GMT -5
Even if the PPVs are available 30 days (or whatever) later and the previous PPVs are available along with weekly shows... that will definitely sweeten Max for me and make it easy to keep subscribed.
|
|
|
|
Post by kingoftheindies on May 10, 2023 11:23:52 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s fare to compare a company with 3 years of content and WWE’s never ending level of content, not to mention WCW etc. 200 mill isn’t anything to be sniffed at. Especially considering the older deal was worth, what, $175m over 4 years (at least according to Jericho anyway)? Getting more than that for one year for a second company in its 4th year of existance is crazy. I think it was less than that no? If I remember right the initial deal was worth $50 million total no and then got reworked? But yeah to have this kind of growth in a deal like that is insane |
|
|
|
Post by Feargus McReddit on May 10, 2023 11:25:36 GMT -5
Even if the PPVs are available 30 days (or whatever) later and the previous PPVs are available along with weekly shows... that will definitely sweeten Max for me and make it easy to keep subscribed. Yeah, that seems super logical to me. By all accounts, the deals they have with FITE and DAZN and others have been benefitial to getting AEW PPVs out globally (so much so, Fite set up a whole service full of indies people can watch) so if a deal can be made to benefit that and give people an opportunity to watch them on Max either during or a day after or whatever it may be, it'll benefit all involved. Especially since Max still has to launch in many of the countries those two cover. |
|
|
|
Post by Feargus McReddit on May 10, 2023 11:26:43 GMT -5
Especially considering the older deal was worth, what, $175m over 4 years (at least according to Jericho anyway)? Getting more than that for one year for a second company in its 4th year of existance is crazy. I think it was less than that no? If I remember right the initial deal was worth $50 million total no and then got reworked? But yeah to have this kind of growth in a deal like that is insane Yeah, the initial deal was $50m and the reworked deal in January was $175m which in itself was surreal at the time, especially since it was only 3 months since Dynamite debuted. |
|
|
|
Post by markymark on May 10, 2023 11:34:29 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 10, 2023 11:37:16 GMT -5
I'm curious if Battle of the Belts will still happen under its current form with this deal. I feel like it was always supposed to be a lot more substantive of a thing than it wound up being in the first place, and even if they do want to keep doing them it feels like it'd make more sense for them to become Max specials instead of staying as random filler slotted into TV death slots.
|
|
|
|
Post by kingoftheindies on May 10, 2023 11:43:44 GMT -5
I think it was less than that no? If I remember right the initial deal was worth $50 million total no and then got reworked? But yeah to have this kind of growth in a deal like that is insane Yeah, the initial deal was $50m and the reworked deal in January was $175m which in itself was surreal at the time, especially since it was only 3 months since Dynamite debuted. Can someone who likes numbers do the math to tell me how much of a percentage of an increase is from the initial deal? |
|
