FINALLY NEW TV DEAL W/STREAMING AND PPV at a cost (p138)

[czwvsroh]

Oct 7, 2024 21:05:27 GMT -5 jm said:

If Shockwave ends up being on FOX, it needs to be an A-show on par with Dynamite. Having it be a B-show on par with Collision won't work on FOX. Maybe on FS1 it'll work, but not FOX network.

All the new sources and talk is fox. Fs1 is a take from here.

[jm]

Oct 7, 2024 21:13:32 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Oct 7, 2024 21:05:27 GMT -5 jm said:

If Shockwave ends up being on FOX, it needs to be an A-show on par with Dynamite. Having it be a B-show on par with Collision won't work on FOX. Maybe on FS1 it'll work, but not FOX network.

It has the potential to get high numbers even on FS1 but yeah if they get FOX I'm even seeing if you can get 2 hours because that's a potential 2 million viewers a week if you get close to Smackdown's numbers, plus they'd advertise the hell out of it.

No matter how long Shockwave ends up being, TK needs to load up the show with stars week in and week out in order to try to get those potential two million viewers a week. Booking it like Collision will not cut it on FOX.

[mattyy]

Oct 7, 2024 20:49:05 GMT -5 The Captain said:

I still don't think there's anything wrong with a soft split, especially with this big of a roster and only so much TV time a week. Don't like, do a draft or a forced brand warfare PPV and I don't think it really feels like WWE-lite.

I mean, even back in 2002, Stone Cold said on Byte This that a soft split just makes more sense. In this sense, you could announce The Young Bucks appearing on Shockwave and it'd be a big deal if they only normally go to Dynamite tapings. What they have right with the soft split of Dynamite and Collision is pretty alright, and like with tomorrow, Hologram appearing on Dynamite feels big to an AEW fan.

[HMARK Center]

The main practical reason for a split is that one of AEW's draws to a lot of talent is working a lighter schedule; now that WWE is reducing its house shows and AEW is likely expanding its TV footprint, you risk making the schedule more hectic in a way that could turn wrestlers away from you, or tire out the people you do have on contract.

That said, 100% agree that a "hard split" isn't the way to go.

[dbsot]

Oct 8, 2024 6:42:29 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

The main practical reason for a split is that one of AEW's draws to a lot of talent is working a lighter schedule; now that WWE is reducing its house shows and AEW is likely expanding its TV footprint, you risk making the schedule more hectic in a way that could turn wrestlers away from you, or tire out the people you do have on contract.

That said, 100% agree that a "hard split" isn't the way to go.

I kind of like the idea that wrestlers can show up on any show, but their matches are exclusive to one show. So, Omega could have a promos and story elements on Shockwave, but if you want to see him wrestle, you have to watch Dynamite. This could also work for specific divisions. The tag division could have a bunch of story elements on Dynamite, but all of their matches are on Collision or Shockwave. This eliminates the idea of a true brand split, but it would incentivize people to watch specific shows for their favorite wrestlers.

[Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!!]

I had to explain the WWE hard brand split to a friend of mine who doesn't watch or like wrestling (I showed him THAT Kalisto promo because he does enjoy bad promos) and he called it one of the stupidest things he's ever heard.

[daaave]

Any brand split should be soft. Like "Hangman, you are gonna work Shockwave for next couple of months and feud there with White and then Darby, then we moving you back to Dynamite to work with Omega'.

The storylines should be locked on each show but once the feud is over move them wherever you think feels best

[khali]

Soft brand split is definitely fine and worthwhile in some spots. A hard brand split I’m basically never in favor of.

[Hayabusa]

Considering how many talents have been kind of marginalized/are on the periphery while we get repeat Conglomeration vs. Premier Athletes type matches on Collision, I'm all in favour of a soft brand split. And if AEW can ever get a mostly healthy roster of top stars without this unwritten law where one returns and another gets seriously injured, then it's almost obligatory. How do you balance feuds on Dynamite with all of the following: Ospreay, Moxley, Omega, Okada, Takeshita, PAC, Jericho, Cole, MJF, Swerve, Hangman, Samoa Joe, Jay White, Lashley, Copeland, Christian, Ricochet, Darby, Rush, Claudio, Kingston, Ibushi, Fletcher, Orange Cassidy, Young Bucks, Mercedes, Britt, Hayter, Toni, Mariah, Shida, Rosa, Willow, Statlander? (I left Danielson out but he may still be around part-time in future)

Give Collision (or Shockwave if it's a thing) some feuds worthy of primetime TV.

The Continental Classic will be starting fairly soon so that should guarantee some bigger matches on Saturdays.

[Chiral]

A soft brand split feels like the way to go. Gives the wrestlers a lighter and more set schedule (I remember reports of stress when Collision started where no one knew what show they'd be on), and makes the shows better, like we don't need Premiere Athletes for 15 min on every Collision if we balance the rosters out more.

I still think one of the shows should get the ROH belts as their thing, that seems fitting for Collision to me. If its importance is gonna take a hit anyways with Shockwave, it'd be nice to give it something.

[Kalmia]

I don't mind a soft roster split. Keep an entire angle exclusive to one show but be flexible enough to move people around whenever needed. With the roster depth AEW has there is no reason for anyone to be on both Dynamite and Collision in the same week.

[markymark]

[markymark]

[dbsot]

It is a FOX deal. Congrats to our friends in Mexico.

[markymark]

I fear if Shockwave is 2 hours long then TK is going to do a roster split....

[Richard]

I figure The Elite and Jericho have a small % of the company what with The Elite basically letting TK build on their trademarks and Jericho jumping. Part of why Cody leaving seemed so messy was having to buy him out.

[The Captain]

I think it would be pretty funny if Cody still had a symbolic ownership stake in AEW.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

So if it's on FOX in Mexico does that also mean it'll be on the main FOX channel in the US?

I'd assume that's promising.

[Final Countdown Jones]

Oct 9, 2024 18:31:16 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

So if it's on FOX in Mexico does that also mean it'll be on the main FOX channel in the US?

I'd assume that's promising.

Not likely to be any correlation; Fox's Mexico branch is going to be its own semi-independent being that fills its own programming in its own ways, Fox getting AEW's Mexico rights doesn't even have any real impact on any US Fox deal.

[The Captain]

Oct 9, 2024 19:36:42 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

Oct 9, 2024 18:31:16 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

So if it's on FOX in Mexico does that also mean it'll be on the main FOX channel in the US?

I'd assume that's promising.

Not likely to be any correlation; Fox's Mexico branch is going to be its own semi-independent being that fills its own programming in its own ways, Fox getting AEW's Mexico rights doesn't even have any real impact on any US Fox deal.

Yeah, what deals happen in other countries mean literally nothing to what happens in the US.

Besides it's not on Fox Mexico, but Fox Sports Mexico.