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Post by markymark on May 17, 2023 12:10:56 GMT -5
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Post by Some Guy on May 17, 2023 12:14:43 GMT -5
I get that some want to dunk on Tony, and again I get it in a lot of ways, but is using examples of Vince from 20 to 30 years ago if not more really the best way of showing how much better of a boss he is? Just food for thought Less being a better boss and more better at putting his foot down. Tony seems more compassionate as a boss. There are more recent examples too. Del Rio was fired after assaulting the colleague backstage. Of course, I’m sure there are instances where Vince wasn’t as good at putting his foot down too (I know Shawn was a pain in the mid-90s and someone cited a Rougeau Brothers/Dynamite Kidd incident). Yeah he really put his foot down when one of his wrestlers murdered a woman and he helped get him off. Give me a break here, this comparison sucks ass and every example of Tony being too feckless or whatever there are 10000 examples of Vince doing or enabling worse shit to keep his roster going. |
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Post by markymark on May 17, 2023 12:15:48 GMT -5
WBD spoiling the surprise
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Post by XIII on May 17, 2023 12:35:53 GMT -5
Surprised the people like the look and logo,personally it looks ugly and outdated. The Roster looks solid. I`m gonna be sad im gonna miss Miro and Powerhouse, and OC if he is not there only because of the championship. The logo looks like a theme park ride sign. 😂 |
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Post by Dub H on May 17, 2023 12:37:23 GMT -5
Surprised the people like the look and logo,personally it looks ugly and outdated. The Roster looks solid. I`m gonna be sad im gonna miss Miro and Powerhouse, and OC if he is not there only because of the championship. The logo looks like a theme park ride sign. 😂 I was thinking a hot dog joint but that works too |
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Post by polarbearpete on May 17, 2023 12:37:44 GMT -5
If it wasn't a split, would the WB press release really have gone with Miro, Samoa Joe, Thunder Rosa, Powerhouse Hobbs, and Andrade as the only talent they named in the press release? No disrespect to them, but they don't have the name value of the likes of Mox, Jericho, Danielson, Omega etc I can definitely see the rosters being adjusted as things go forward, but this is 100% a hard split at the top of the card, at least. I didn’t say it wasn’t a split, just nowhere near the split being hyped up. Some of the people you mentioned like Mox and Jericho work indies or perform in bands so hyping them up to be consistently on the show doesn’t really make the same amount of sense as hyping people who will be there on the show. Khan has first dibs on booking talent, they can’t just be “unavailable” on a Saturday because of an indie gig. |
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Post by markymark on May 17, 2023 12:41:32 GMT -5
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Post by polarbearpete on May 17, 2023 12:50:13 GMT -5
Less being a better boss and more better at putting his foot down. Tony seems more compassionate as a boss. There are more recent examples too. Del Rio was fired after assaulting the colleague backstage. Of course, I’m sure there are instances where Vince wasn’t as good at putting his foot down too (I know Shawn was a pain in the mid-90s and someone cited a Rougeau Brothers/Dynamite Kidd incident). Yeah he really put his foot down when one of his wrestlers murdered a woman and he helped get him off. Give me a break here, this comparison sucks ass and every example of Tony being too feckless or whatever there are 10000 examples of Vince doing or enabling worse shit to keep his roster going. Of course Vince is a worse person who has done horrible things, so no need to strawman murder arguments. We’re talking specifically about “putting your foot down” when one of your talent is throwing his weight around, starting fights, burying talent out of kayfabe, etc. The closest comparison is probably HBK in the mid-90s, with the caveat that he didn’t publicly bury the others and disrespect Vince as far as I know ala Scrum-gate. |
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Post by ghost on May 17, 2023 12:56:21 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks a hard brand split is a good idea? Usually I’d hate the idea but AEW is pretty inconsistent with spotlighting talent week to week due to roster size. At least with a split if a talent gets over (ex. Starks, Swerve), they would be featured every week on an A show rather than sporadically on Rampage.
With that said, just have the world champion be able to be on both shows. AEW doesn’t need an “AEW Undisputed Cosmos Galactic Heavyweight Champion” on one brand and “World Heavyweight Champion” on the other. That would be a problem though if Punk gets the belt again but I can’t imagine Khan is that gullible to ride that horse again.
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 17, 2023 12:58:52 GMT -5
Yeah he really put his foot down when one of his wrestlers murdered a woman and he helped get him off. Give me a break here, this comparison sucks ass and every example of Tony being too feckless or whatever there are 10000 examples of Vince doing or enabling worse shit to keep his roster going. Of course Vince is a worse person who has done horrible things, so no need to strawman murder arguments. We’re talking specifically about “putting your foot down” when one of your talent is throwing his weight around, starting fights, burying talent out of kayfabe, etc. The closest comparison is probably HBK in the mid-90s, with the caveat that he didn’t publicly bury the others and disrespect Vince as far as I know ala Scrum-gate. He did try to crash the Mania 14 post conference because he was mad that Tyson laid the Austin 3:16 shirt across him (video evidence is on HBK's documentary from years ago). Also HBK wore biker shorts and stuffed them to go on live tv for an interview just to entertain Hunter, and did a callout of Taker when Taker did a preshoot knowing full well Taker wasn't there. Also the whole Sunny Days comment. But either way, we really only know what has been said and even SRS has said countless times, we only know what people want to get out and AEW for the most part (and people on both sides) have been tight lipped about it. That said I don't want to make this a Tony Good Vince bad thing, just to go back to the original point I was making of getting a new show and more money and putting people who you like having issues with other people you like (and not just Punk/Elite) isn't the Tony=Bitch moment some seem to think it is. Like I see people laugh saying "lol Tony actually created a show just to keep Punk" and it's like... "so he made WBD give him the time and extra money?" |
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Post by polarbearpete on May 17, 2023 13:01:27 GMT -5
Of course Vince is a worse person who has done horrible things, so no need to strawman murder arguments. We’re talking specifically about “putting your foot down” when one of your talent is throwing his weight around, starting fights, burying talent out of kayfabe, etc. The closest comparison is probably HBK in the mid-90s, with the caveat that he didn’t publicly bury the others and disrespect Vince as far as I know ala Scrum-gate. He did try to crash the Mania 14 post conference because he was mad that Tyson laid the Austin 3:16 shirt across him (video evidence is on HBK's documentary from years ago). Also HBK wore biker shorts and stuffed them to go on live tv for an interview just to entertain Hunter, and did a callout of Taker when Taker did a preshoot knowing full well Taker wasn't there. Also the whole Sunny Days comment. But either way, we really only know what has been said and even SRS has said countless times, we only know what people want to get out and AEW for the most part (and people on both sides) have been tight lipped about it. That said I don't want to make this a Tony Good Vince bad thing, just to go back to the original point I was making of getting a new show and more money and putting people who you like having issues with other people you like (and not just Punk/Elite) isn't the Tony=Bitch moment some seem to think it is. Like I see people laugh saying "lol Tony actually created a show just to keep Punk" and it's like... "so he made WBD give him the time and extra money?" I think the Tony=Bitch thing is less about the show being created and more about Punk publicly embarrassing the company and attacking its founders and waltzing back in after not showing any remorse publicly (and the only public posts he did make were the opposite of showing remorse) with no repercussions and able to work a new show without having to deal with any of said founders. |
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Post by The Captain on May 17, 2023 13:07:27 GMT -5
Surprised the people like the look and logo,personally it looks ugly and outdated. The Roster looks solid. I`m gonna be sad im gonna miss Miro and Powerhouse, and OC if he is not there only because of the championship. The logo is very much a nostalgia grab. If you have fond memories of WCW Nitro, it's a nice throwback to halcyon days. For anyone who didn't really have much of any interest in WCW (or got into it in 1999 after the logo changes, in which case I'm sorry), I can see it being less appealing.
I'm in the former group so I love the look.
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Post by Some Guy on May 17, 2023 13:15:27 GMT -5
Yeah he really put his foot down when one of his wrestlers murdered a woman and he helped get him off. Give me a break here, this comparison sucks ass and every example of Tony being too feckless or whatever there are 10000 examples of Vince doing or enabling worse shit to keep his roster going. Of course Vince is a worse person who has done horrible things, so no need to strawman murder arguments. We’re talking specifically about “putting your foot down” when one of your talent is throwing his weight around, starting fights, burying talent out of kayfabe, etc. The closest comparison is probably HBK in the mid-90s, with the caveat that he didn’t publicly bury the others and disrespect Vince as far as I know ala Scrum-gate. Weren't they so worried about the Mania 14 main event that Taker was waiting backstage to beat Shawn's ass if he didn't do the job? And the WWE locker room history is so incredibly full of guys throwing their weight around/starting fights that it is immeasurably impossible for AEW to even come close to those levels. Yeah there probably isn't so much burying outside of kayfabe, but that is a very recent type of deal and even then Randy Orton had that one interview about 7 years ago or whatever where he did it to a ton of people without real issues. |
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Post by Chiral on May 17, 2023 13:39:39 GMT -5
I still say if it's a hard brand split just have the AEW titles sans TNT on Dynamite and the ROH world titles on Collision. Like they already have two sets of titles with two world titles under the company umbrella so it would help to separate the brands completely rather than "eh sometimes the world champ will be here other times there sure"
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 17, 2023 13:46:45 GMT -5
He did try to crash the Mania 14 post conference because he was mad that Tyson laid the Austin 3:16 shirt across him (video evidence is on HBK's documentary from years ago). Also HBK wore biker shorts and stuffed them to go on live tv for an interview just to entertain Hunter, and did a callout of Taker when Taker did a preshoot knowing full well Taker wasn't there. Also the whole Sunny Days comment. But either way, we really only know what has been said and even SRS has said countless times, we only know what people want to get out and AEW for the most part (and people on both sides) have been tight lipped about it. That said I don't want to make this a Tony Good Vince bad thing, just to go back to the original point I was making of getting a new show and more money and putting people who you like having issues with other people you like (and not just Punk/Elite) isn't the Tony=Bitch moment some seem to think it is. Like I see people laugh saying "lol Tony actually created a show just to keep Punk" and it's like... "so he made WBD give him the time and extra money?" I think the Tony=Bitch thing is less about the show being created and more about Punk publicly embarrassing the company and attacking its founders and waltzing back in after not showing any remorse publicly (and the only public posts he did make were the opposite of showing remorse) with no repercussions and able to work a new show without having to deal with any of said founders. Oh I understood I think I just made the argument poorly. Either way, in a devil's advocate way it could be as simple as Tony saying this is what we're doing and if anybody has a problem tough, or everybody could have worked it out and just aren't talking about it. I don't think a brand split is inherently bad though especially if it gives certain things room to breathe and talent time to shine |
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Post by Dave the Dave on May 17, 2023 13:53:13 GMT -5
If the intro is like that awesome Nitro one with all the faces on the buildings I’m in.
Maybe we can just rip off the Dynamite theme though:
Fight the room!
Bite a goon!
Collision!
AND if we’re doing WCW stuff, I want Chuck Taylor in a Norman Smiley-esque hardcore title run stat.
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Post by Bo Rida on May 17, 2023 13:54:05 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks a hard brand split is a good idea? Usually I’d hate the idea but AEW is pretty inconsistent with spotlighting talent week to week due to roster size. At least with a split if a talent gets over (ex. Starks, Swerve), they would be featured every week on an A show rather than sporadically on Rampage. With that said, just have the world champion be able to be on both shows. AEW doesn’t need an “AEW Undisputed Cosmos Galactic Heavyweight Champion” on one brand and “World Heavyweight Champion” on the other. That would be a problem though if Punk gets the belt again but I can’t imagine Khan is that gullible to ride that horse again. I think it'll work fine for male singles wrestlers but would be bad for the women and tag division. The women in particular need the better wrestlers facing each other as often as possible. Don't want a return to Shafir being a title contender. |
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Post by The Captain on May 17, 2023 13:57:51 GMT -5
We all complain about a number of talent not getting featured on Dynamite or Rampage. A roster split ensures that happens without sacrificing time for the talents that already put the proverbial butts in the seats like Moxley, Danielson, Omega, etc. I hated the way WWE handled them in the past (the combination of the brand extension, Raw vs Smackdown rivalry, and the rebranding pretty much put the final nail in my wrestling fandom coffin the Invasion angle built until 2005 or so), but that doesn't necessarily mean AEW will make the same mistakes.
I'd still hate the idea of separate World Championships, but splitting already existing belts as more mainstays on one show over the other is a more organic way of doing it. Like say, TNT, Women's Championship, and Trios are more on Collision while International, TBS, and Tag-Team are more on Dynamite. But that won't necessarily lock those titles to just those brands either.
Really, just stay away from overloaded PPV schedules with brand-exclusive shows, Brand vs Brand shows that ignore all feuds and angles for shoehorned "brand solidarity," and co-World Champs and I'd be pretty happy.
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Post by markymark on May 17, 2023 14:10:24 GMT -5
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Post by lucaslawless on May 17, 2023 14:10:46 GMT -5
If the intro is like that awesome Nitro one with all the faces on the buildings I’m in. Maybe we can just rip off the Dynamite theme though: Fight the room! Bite a goon! Collision! AND if we’re doing WCW stuff, I want Chuck Taylor in a Norman Smiley-esque hardcore title run stat. |
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