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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on May 28, 2023 15:31:54 GMT -5
I know he didn’t get pinned but seeing Roman lose a match and looked pissed off about it made me very satisfied. Thankfully WWE didn’t go for the misery booking this time and gave the fans some hope for once. That shot of Sami on the top turnbuckle, taunting a distraught Roman Reigns with his tag title belts is catharsis.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on May 28, 2023 15:33:45 GMT -5
If they don't want fans to turn on Cody then here's an idea - only have him hold the title for a couple of months and if someone else popular comes along have him drop it to them. The WWE is too obsessed with this whole "one guy" philosophy who needs to carry the company. The business has long moved past this type of booking and, honestly, modern fans attention spans just aren't designed for it anymore. They have at least a dozen people they can count on to main event PLE's at any moment, they don't need to have one person be the centerpiece they constantly fall back on for years on end with everybody else merely being there to prop him up.
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Post by Fade on May 28, 2023 16:00:28 GMT -5
I know he didn’t get pinned but seeing Roman lose a match and looked pissed off about it made me very satisfied. Thankfully WWE didn’t go for the misery booking this time and gave the fans some hope for once. That shot of Sami on the top turnbuckle, taunting a distraught Roman Reigns with his tag title belts is catharsis.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 28, 2023 16:29:46 GMT -5
It's nice to see something finally happened after 3 months. I'm not holding my breath though. I'm half expecting that in a few weeks Jimmy will be back in the fold and Roman will be on vacation until Summerslam. I hope that's not the case, but they've burned us too many times on this. Mania was less than 2 months ago. Roman is advertised for MITB and Summerslam, so he’ll be there the next couple of months at least.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 28, 2023 16:33:40 GMT -5
If they don't want fans to turn on Cody then here's an idea - only have him hold the title for a couple of months and if someone else popular comes along have him drop it to them. Like, this felt like the optimal solution, right? If business really does tank with Cody, you’ve at least given him a fair shot and can give it to someone else. And even then, the last person to actually have been a detriment to business as champion was Jinder Mahal and the reasons for that were as plain as day to anyone with any sense of wrestling logic so Cody cleared that bar without holding the belt.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 28, 2023 16:36:02 GMT -5
No, the problem is that they DO have an endgame in mind, but they'll never get it, but they're still refusing to believe that they can't make it eventually happen. They want Roman vs. Rock for the Titles. That's the endgame they want. They've been chasing it for 2 years now, and rumors have been planted that they're STILL chasing it for WM 40. And all because Rock is too soft-hearted to tell them that it won't ever happen. It’s not a plan if everyone isn’t on board, it’s just wishful thinking. For instance, I still plan on winning the Stanley Cup with Wayne Gretzky. But for Roman, it doesn’t matter because the fans just want to see someone else carry a title. Mainly Cody. Wouldn’t Brock v. Cody be so much better if Cody hauled the belt to the ring??? That’s why WWE doesn’t listen to the fans, because they just want to see how people would look wearing a title. I’d venture that a majority of the fans are actually still on board with Roman being champ, though. The Bloodline has been embraced, not rejected.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 28, 2023 16:41:44 GMT -5
Or, get this - maybe, just maybe, the fans wanted to see Cody win against Roman at 'mania because they like Cody Rhodes and think hes a great wrestler. Maybe the fans wanted to see a popular face win after literally years of bottle jobs. Or maybe because they were tired of having evil on top for years and wanted a good guy on top. And there is an actual, understandable reason for wanting the title involved in the feud between Rhodes and Lesnar, because it gives Beastie Boy a much better reason for going after Cody. The only reason people want to see Cody is because of how he would look wearing a title? Stop talking Bollocks. I’m hanging on to what I said when he debuted again in WWE. He’s Jeff Jarrett. When Cena bounced off the ropes backwards and into a Stunner, it was the stupidest move ever. Now it’s the Cody Cutter!!!!!! Cody is a fine wrestler but he’s not a main event act and when he gets there and he will, I’m standing by he’s going to get exposed and the fans will turn. Cody is already a legitimate main eventer. He’s the face of Monday Night Raw, has moved house show tickets to record business, sells more merchandise than anyone, and has the highest rate segments in episodes of Raw that are up huge in the demo year over year. He’s already proven your theory wrong.
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Post by Renslayer on May 28, 2023 17:21:15 GMT -5
That shot of Sami on the top turnbuckle, taunting a distraught Roman Reigns with his tag title belts is catharsis. God this is a perfect photo. Everything about this match was 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
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Post by schma on May 28, 2023 19:07:27 GMT -5
It's nice to see something finally happened after 3 months. I'm not holding my breath though. I'm half expecting that in a few weeks Jimmy will be back in the fold and Roman will be on vacation until Summerslam. I hope that's not the case, but they've burned us too many times on this. Mania was less than 2 months ago. Roman is advertised for MITB and Summerslam, so he’ll be there the next couple of months at least. Fair enough, it felt longer. It might have been his break in between with so many shows in there. Nice to see he'll be around for a while.
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 29, 2023 2:42:50 GMT -5
If they don't want fans to turn on Cody then here's an idea - only have him hold the title for a couple of months and if someone else popular comes along have him drop it to them. Like, this felt like the optimal solution, right? If business really does tank with Cody, you’ve at least given him a fair shot and can give it to someone else. And even then, the last person to actually have been a detriment to business as champion was Jinder Mahal and the reasons for that were as plain as day to anyone with any sense of wrestling logic so Cody cleared that bar without holding the belt. A fair shot at what? Cody is an integral character to the show and one of their biggest stars. Does it make that much of a difference (in a business sense) if he was carrying around a prop instead of Roman? One of the strengths of WWE at the moment (and surely one of the reasons why they're selling out every week) is a deep group of main-eventers. Roman might be #1 but Cody, Brock, The Bloodline, Seth, Sami and KO are all rigjt up there and could headline any show. You can still argue the storyline quality of Roman winning at WM, but I don't think they could have hoped for a better outcome from a business sense. Certainly if you gave them the chance to go back and change it there's no way they would.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 30, 2023 10:29:07 GMT -5
I see the argument that “the business has moved on from the One main guy booking philosophy”
Has it?
Roman is clearly the end all be all in the company and everything but flows through him and business is way up.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 30, 2023 11:20:51 GMT -5
If we're going by anecdotal evidence two people that would be considered casual viewers of wrestling said it finally looks like they're getting rid of the bloodline bullshit.
Almost verbatim. So no it's not just Internet smarks that are tired of it.
The ones that aren't just stop watching entirely.
Though it is hard to be a full on casual now as it was in the past as if you look at something once you basically get recommendations on it forever.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 30, 2023 11:54:25 GMT -5
I see the argument that “the business has moved on from the One main guy booking philosophy” Has it? Roman is clearly the end all be all in the company and everything but flows through him and business is way up. There's this bubble were Cody is a bitch and the Bloodline needs to end but somehow in the real world Cody is the most popular babyface in wrestling and the Bloodline is the hottest story in years with people still eating it up. I've seen some disconnects between the IWC and the general audience over the years but not usually this big.
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 30, 2023 12:08:51 GMT -5
Like, this felt like the optimal solution, right? If business really does tank with Cody, you’ve at least given him a fair shot and can give it to someone else. And even then, the last person to actually have been a detriment to business as champion was Jinder Mahal and the reasons for that were as plain as day to anyone with any sense of wrestling logic so Cody cleared that bar without holding the belt. A fair shot at what? Cody is an integral character to the show and one of their biggest stars. Does it make that much of a difference (in a business sense) if he was carrying around a prop instead of Roman? Yes. If the champion isn't the most important person, there's no point having titles.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 30, 2023 12:10:48 GMT -5
If we're going by anecdotal evidence two people that would be considered casual viewers of wrestling said it finally looks like they're getting rid of the bloodline bullshit. Almost verbatim. So no it's not just Internet smarks that are tired of it. The ones that aren't just stop watching entirely. Though it is hard to be a full on casual now as it was in the past as if you look at something once you basically get recommendations on it forever. There’s always fans that will be tired of some act or storyline. I’m sure there were fans saying they were tired of Austin and McMahon while it was still right in the middle of its peak. The metrics, as a whole, currently show that viewership has been going up year over year despite television viewing as a whole being way down.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on May 30, 2023 12:21:46 GMT -5
I see the argument that “the business has moved on from the One main guy booking philosophy” Has it? Roman is clearly the end all be all in the company and everything but flows through him and business is way up. There's this bubble were Cody is a bitch and the Bloodline needs to end but somehow in the real world Cody is the most popular babyface in wrestling and the Bloodline is the hottest story in years with people still eating it up. I've seen some disconnects between the IWC and the general audience over the years but not usually this big. I think the “Cody is a bitch” thing is something that’s only limited to here and not anywhere else.
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 30, 2023 13:54:12 GMT -5
A fair shot at what? Cody is an integral character to the show and one of their biggest stars. Does it make that much of a difference (in a business sense) if he was carrying around a prop instead of Roman? Yes. If the champion isn't the most important person, there's no point having titles. But the champion has quite often not been the most important person in WWF/WWE and I've not seen any evidence to suggest it makes a particular difference. The wrestler makes the belt, not the other way around. If Roman didn't have any belt, he'd still be the biggest draw and most important person.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 30, 2023 15:20:32 GMT -5
It can both be true that WWE is still pretty hot right now (most shows are doing better ticket sales than their last time there and ratings are generally up year over year) and the Bloodline story itself is less hot. The ratings are still good mind you but SmackDown's numbers peaked when Sami faced Jey in the main event and there's been a noticeable drop since. RAW has also been sliding in total viewers (although it is skewing younger which is good). Are there other reasons for that? Yes - sports is giving everyone competition. But it's also the case that WWE created this groundswell of interest from January to March with the Sami/Cody/Roman angle and it's largely still there but there are also people who have started watching less week to week.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 30, 2023 16:03:35 GMT -5
It can both be true that WWE is still pretty hot right now (most shows are doing better ticket sales than their last time there and ratings are generally up year over year) and the Bloodline story itself is less hot. The ratings are still good mind you but SmackDown's numbers peaked when Sami faced Jey in the main event and there's been a noticeable drop since. RAW has also been sliding in total viewers (although it is skewing younger which is good). Are there other reasons for that? Yes - sports is giving everyone competition. But it's also the case that WWE created this groundswell of interest from January to March with the Sami/Cody/Roman angle and it's largely still there but there are also people who have started watching less week to week. There’s always an uptick around mania season. The real encouraging thing is that they’ve maintained momentum selling tickets to shows
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 30, 2023 16:46:03 GMT -5
It can both be true that WWE is still pretty hot right now (most shows are doing better ticket sales than their last time there and ratings are generally up year over year) and the Bloodline story itself is less hot. The ratings are still good mind you but SmackDown's numbers peaked when Sami faced Jey in the main event and there's been a noticeable drop since. RAW has also been sliding in total viewers (although it is skewing younger which is good). Are there other reasons for that? Yes - sports is giving everyone competition. But it's also the case that WWE created this groundswell of interest from January to March with the Sami/Cody/Roman angle and it's largely still there but there are also people who have started watching less week to week. Both Raw and Smackdown are up YOY, which is surely the fairest method of judging that? Rather than wondering why a random NFL game in October isn't doing playoff numbers.
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