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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 2, 2023 13:05:38 GMT -5
...but three different ones with slight tweaks.
Now I'm wondering what Batman and Batman Returns would be like in the Kilmerverse and Clooneyverses. Likewise, Forever and ...and Robin in the Burtonverse.
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Post by Paul on Jun 2, 2023 14:48:39 GMT -5
I thought all four movies were in the same continuity?
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Jun 2, 2023 15:46:08 GMT -5
I thought all four movies were in the same continuity? They are, but it's disputed. 89 and Returns are considered the Burton-Verse, but there are people who claim Forever and Robin are their own thing. But Forever carries over plot points from the first two films, and then the fourth film features the version of Robin introduced in Forever. Plus they share Michael Gough and Pat Hingle as Alfred and Commissioner Gordon. But due to so many actor changes (including Robin, as Marlon Wayans was signed on to play him under the Burton regime) that the latter two films are considered non-canon to the two Burton directed. |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jun 2, 2023 16:00:33 GMT -5
They are like the James Bond films. Technically one continuity but with recasting, sliding timescale, and playing fast and loose with continuity.
Really it is kind of perfect as thats how comics used to be. Everything happened but started roughly 10 years ago, things you wanted forgotten you just stopped mentioning, you could change things without worrying too much about people remembering or being anal about it.
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Post by Red Mage Riot on Jun 2, 2023 16:02:39 GMT -5
I thought all four movies were in the same continuity? They are, but it's disputed. 89 and Returns are considered the Burton-Verse, but there are people who claim Forever and Robin are their own thing. But Forever carries over plot points from the first two films, and then the fourth film features the version of Robin introduced in Forever. Plus they share Michael Gough and Pat Hingle as Alfred and Commissioner Gordon. But due to so many actor changes (including Robin, as Marlon Wayans was signed on to play him under the Burton regime) that the latter two films are considered non-canon to the two Burton directed. Huh, Marlon Wayans as Robin would have been......interesting. He would have been about as old as O'Donnel was, yeah? Kinda wish we'd gotten to see that now, just to see how it would have looked. |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jun 2, 2023 16:28:46 GMT -5
They are, but it's disputed. 89 and Returns are considered the Burton-Verse, but there are people who claim Forever and Robin are their own thing. But Forever carries over plot points from the first two films, and then the fourth film features the version of Robin introduced in Forever. Plus they share Michael Gough and Pat Hingle as Alfred and Commissioner Gordon. But due to so many actor changes (including Robin, as Marlon Wayans was signed on to play him under the Burton regime) that the latter two films are considered non-canon to the two Burton directed. Huh, Marlon Wayans as Robin would have been......interesting. He would have been about as old as O'Donnel was, yeah? Kinda wish we'd gotten to see that now, just to see how it would have looked. Wayans even got paid $100K for Returns and gets residuals to this day. There was a Robin toy in the Batman Returns toy line that always felt kind of random. The rumor is that the figure is pretty close to what we could have expected Marlon's Robin costume to look like:  UPDATE: But I also just found this video that seems to point out that it could just be a standard Tim Drake. In any event, it's interesting to wonder about: |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 2, 2023 17:53:46 GMT -5
It's the Burtonverse and all one canon.
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Post by wildojinx on Jun 2, 2023 22:17:22 GMT -5
Did they ever acknowledge the Forever version of Harvey Dent as being the same as the 89 version? If not, you can just claim that it's a different person who just happens to have the same name.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jun 2, 2023 22:26:21 GMT -5
But due to so many actor changes (including Robin, as Marlon Wayans was signed on to play him under the Burton regime) that the latter two films are considered non-canon to the two Burton directed. Worth noting Chris O'Donnell played Dick Grayson and Marlon Wayans was reportedly set to play an amalgamation of Dick and Tim. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 2, 2023 23:54:01 GMT -5
I thought all four movies were in the same continuity? They are, but it's disputed. 89 and Returns are considered the Burton-Verse, but there are people who claim Forever and Robin are their own thing. But Forever carries over plot points from the first two films, and then the fourth film features the version of Robin introduced in Forever. Plus they share Michael Gough and Pat Hingle as Alfred and Commissioner Gordon. But due to so many actor changes (including Robin, as Marlon Wayans was signed on to play him under the Burton regime) that the latter two films are considered non-canon to the two Burton directed. And apparently in The Flash {Spoiler}Keaton's Batman says he's never worked with a sidekick before, which would put the Schumacher films firmly in a separate continuity. |
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Post by brackus on Jun 3, 2023 2:36:55 GMT -5
Arnold Schwearzenegger appeared as Victor Freeze in Burton´s Batman Returns and Schumachers Batman & Robin:  And Catwoman is referenced by Dr Meridian in Batman Forever. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 3, 2023 3:47:06 GMT -5
Sammy Davis Junior was an investor in AXIS Chemicals.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 3, 2023 6:01:30 GMT -5
Did they ever acknowledge the Forever version of Harvey Dent as being the same as the 89 version? If not, you can just claim that it's a different person who just happens to have the same name. I want to say they don't really give anything definitive one way or another on that. I do know that Billy Dee Williams got a big check, same as Marlon Wayans did, since they were both contracted for the film and bought out of their contracts. Tremendously frustrating to both men, probably, but they at least were well compensated for it. |
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Jun 3, 2023 21:28:01 GMT -5
I remember reading about a fan theory that the Schmacher Batman movies are actually movies in the Burton Batman continuity. The theory states that Bruce Wayne quit being Batman after the events of Batman Returns because of Catwoman's death, his identity got revealed somehow, and that Batmans Forever and & Robin are movie adaptations of that Batman's adventures. Of course, the theory falls apart when you remember that all four movies featured the same actors in the role of Commissioner Gordon and Alfred.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jun 3, 2023 21:51:30 GMT -5
 Riddler and Two-Face costumes in the Arkham lockup in Batman & Robin. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 4, 2023 1:27:50 GMT -5
Arnold Schwearzenegger appeared as Victor Freeze in Burton´s Batman Returns and Schumachers Batman & Robin: And Catwoman is referenced by Dr Meridian in Batman Forever. Like the main reason Batman doesn't want Robin to become Robin in Forever is because Batman 89. He mentions Joker killing his family and getting revenge and it not being enough... and not wanting Dick to wind up the same way with TWo FAce. |
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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 5, 2023 9:51:33 GMT -5
Did they ever acknowledge the Forever version of Harvey Dent as being the same as the 89 version? If not, you can just claim that it's a different person who just happens to have the same name. He had the same sickness as Birdie from Street Fighter did in the first game. |
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