I have determined the issue with Miz currently.

[Jonathan Michaels]

It’s not that he keeps losing, necessarily, but…..

He beat Dominik in 30 seconds the night after Mania last year, he didn’t win another televised singles match (he and Ciampa won a few tag matches) until November when he beat Gargano, then a month later he won the ladder match against Lumis.

He hasn’t won a match since. (FightDB says he beat Seth on Feb 20 but Seth won due to ref stoppage, and the Shane match is apparently considered a No Contest)

And yet, nobody on TV has brought it up.

Not even him.

The issue with Miz right now is they’re not leaning into it by giving him a losing streak angle.

The man hasn’t won in six months, surely this calls for some kind of story development?

[Celexa Bliss]

Probably because they had Corbin doing the same thing and barely brought it up. Like, I totally agree with you that it should be acknowledged by someone, but they never really bring these things up until it's relevant to what they're doing. Curt Hawkins was on a massive losing streak a few years ago, but it was only mentioned on TV when it became obvious that they were going to have him and Ryder win the titles at WrestleMania. Otherwise, WWE doesn't do that type of long-term booking, unfortunately.

[Mozenrath]

It maybe feels trite to harp on "wins and losses don't matter in WWE, generally", but this is the kind of thing that highlights just how little they matter for even fairly prominent characters. There, of course, are exceptions, but it's definitely showcasing a recurring problem.

[Fade]

Ever since trips took over, he’s just sort of become a comedic dude to enhance other talent. That’s the way it feels to me. Dudes 42. I don’t think they’re going to address it, I just think it’s the spot he’s slipped into.

[nisidhe]

Miz has been in WWE since 2005? 2006? He's at the point in his career at which he's done just about everything he could possibly and credibly do in the company, and at which elevating him again would not cause any uptick on the business side.

He's living his best life right now, I suspect. He's giving back, putting fresher talent over and making bank in the bargain. He's not going anywhere else (not that other promotions _wouldn't_ make a spot for him - he just doesn't want that), and he's been smart with his money and his time. He'll be all right.

[Jonathan Michaels]

Jun 20, 2023 15:08:48 GMT -5 nisidhe said:

Miz has been in WWE since 2005? 2006? He's at the point in his career at which he's done just about everything he could possibly and credibly do in the company, and at which elevating him again would not cause any uptick on the business side.

He's living his best life right now, I suspect. He's giving back, putting fresher talent over and making bank in the bargain. He's not going anywhere else (not that other promotions _wouldn't_ make a spot for him - he just doesn't want that), and he's been smart with his money and his time. He'll be all right.

That’s the thing, though.

If that’s what they want him to do, shouldn’t he be feuding with younger talent instead of jobbing to whatever main eventer needs something to do that week?

Beating him needs to mean something, the one younger guy he feuded with was the one character who didn’t seem to care about wrestling at all.

Shouldn’t the next Miz want to try and take out the old one?

[BorneAgain]

Honestly even as a fan of the guy I'm not really interested in his segments because they always end with the babyface attacking him or him losing a match.

At this point I think it would almost be better for him to transition into managerial role where he could still get heat on occasion but at least be in position to get the upper hand (or at least not lose).

[UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm]

It is probably the balls. The nuts. Sacks, even.

[nisidhe]

Jun 20, 2023 15:23:40 GMT -5 Jonathan Michaels said:

That’s the thing, though.

If that’s what they want him to do, shouldn’t he be feuding with younger talent instead of jobbing to whatever main eventer needs something to do that week?

That's for creative and Vince to decide. Our opinions on things like this stopped mattering to the company a _long_ time ago.

Beating him needs to mean something, the one younger guy he feuded with was the one character who didn’t seem to care about wrestling at all.

Shouldn’t the next Miz want to try and take out the old one?

From our perspective, that's a perfectly reasonable ask. If you were to bring the point to someone like Gorilla Monsoon or Pat Patterson, it's more than likely that it would be heard and that young lion vs. grizzled vet just looking to score one more win before retiring feud would absolutely be on the card. But Vince is in a position where he doesn't have to care about any of us peons or what we think anymore. Miz, for his part, is going to do what's asked of him until he decides to hang up the boots or until he has no choice.

[Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story]

Jun 20, 2023 1:55:46 GMT -5 Fade said:

Ever since trips took over, he’s just sort of become a comedic dude to enhance other talent. That’s the way it feels to me. Dudes 42. I don’t think they’re going to address it, I just think it’s the spot he’s slipped into.

And all it'd take is a few weeks to heat him back up again. I'm sure he's in that spot where he'd love the push if he got it, but he's got a cushy gig and it's not like he's on Main Event.

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

It's always weird when guys stick around WWE long enough to go from world champions to basically job guys because the announcers will always brag about their credentials but they will lose time after time. It's depressing in real sports when it happens and we sort of get numb to it here.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Jun 20, 2023 16:02:10 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

Jun 20, 2023 1:55:46 GMT -5 Fade said:

Ever since trips took over, he’s just sort of become a comedic dude to enhance other talent. That’s the way it feels to me. Dudes 42. I don’t think they’re going to address it, I just think it’s the spot he’s slipped into.

And all it'd take is a few weeks to heat him back up again. I'm sure he's in that spot where he'd love the push if he got it, but he's got a cushy gig and it's not like he's on Main Event.

Yeah, Miz is in a position where he can lose for six months and still have enough heat to justify being the upper mid card gate keeper... both due to his accomplishments and overall mic skills.

[Ozman]

Guys like Miz and Dolph Ziggler are perfect examples of the advantage of having a territory system. Both are beyond stale. Back in the territory era, when a guy started getting stale, he could simply go to another territory for a fresh start.

[sdoyle7798]

Jun 21, 2023 20:59:40 GMT -5 Ozman said:

Guys like Miz and Dolph Ziggler are perfect examples of the advantage of having a territory system. Both are beyond stale. Back in the territory era, when a guy started getting stale, he could simply go to another territory for a fresh start.

I was going to make a response that talked about how in this day and age, even in a new territory, he'd be still be seen by everyone, all the time. So he wouldn't get the chance to refresh.

Then I remembered Matt Cardona...

[salz4life]

I believe Miz, if he wanted to, could do what Cardona is doing. He has the ability to get enough heat. I could see him going to GCW and getting a ton of heat trying to be anti-death match (kind of like the how Foley was anti-hardcore at the end of his run in ECW). However, he is well-paid and is kind of a go-to guy for public appearances for WWE.

[Mozenrath]

Jun 26, 2023 13:12:51 GMT -5 salz4life said:

I believe Miz, if he wanted to, could do what Cardona is doing. He has the ability to get enough heat. I could see him going to GCW and getting a ton of heat trying to be anti-death match (kind of like the how Foley was anti-hardcore at the end of his run in ECW). However, he is well-paid and is kind of a go-to guy for public appearances for WWE.

I think Cardona doing it younger, while being younger than him anyway, and being more of a body guy changes the dynamic a lot. Like, Miz totally could excel elsewhere if he wanted to, but between those factors and that he's a multiple-time world champion, the pitch is completely different, even if there might be the kind of "character of questionable credibility to many shows what he can really do" element.

But yeah, he's in a much more secure position than Ryder ever was from a bunch of different angles, so I can't picture him leaving WWE unless something drastically changed.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

“…Hey, you’re right. I should be mad!”

*beats up Ciampa instead of having a match*

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Bronson Reed's future children are gonna get put through college if Miz keeps paying the man to help him actually win a wrestling match.

[A Little Doo Doo]

My favorite thing about the finish was Bronson waiting until after the table bump to come help Miz. Even he wanted to see Miz go through it.