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Post by lucas_lee on Jun 21, 2023 10:55:33 GMT -5
Yeah normally first shows are the peak of ratings. I wonder if doing this in the summer was a smart idea because it's a dead zone for TV. I'm not sure if it's doom and gloom but if they can keep the rating around here to 750,000 then it's a win in my book.
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Jun 21, 2023 10:59:03 GMT -5
Basically Dynamite-like numbers and beat it in the demo. And beat the debut Rampage but didn't come close to the second episode with Punk's debut but that would be unrealistic to expect considering the hype that had. That would probably be a decent number going forward if it's essentially the same level as Dynamite. They'll be hoping there's not a ton of people like me who tuned in for the insanity around Punk to see what he'd say then probably won't bother going forward. I think Meltzer said if they can settle in at 0.26 or better that would be a positive. Not sure what he was basing that on (the company or network’s expectations or just his own thoughts about it). He was basing that off of TNT averaging a .13 demo in that time slot. Thus, if they double it, it’s a success.
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Post by raymondo316 on Jun 21, 2023 11:13:42 GMT -5
They didn’t really do anything in episode 1 to set up matches/feuds moving forward (outside of HOB-Andrade). This is where Tony really dropped the ball.
They really needed some kind of big angle or surprise to end the show to make people want to watch the next Collision.......just having Punk & FTR win, and then the show ends is not it.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 21, 2023 11:17:51 GMT -5
They didn’t really do anything in episode 1 to set up matches/feuds moving forward (outside of HOB-Andrade). This is where Tony really dropped the ball. They really needed some kind of big angle or surprise to end the show to make people want to watch the next Collision.......just having Punk & FTR win, and then the show ends is not it.
The First Dance did the same thing. Punk had his promo then the rest of the show was completely forgettable and closed on a Daniel Garcia match at a point when no one gave a shit about him.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 21, 2023 11:19:13 GMT -5
Going to be interesting to see where it settles. Wasn't a bad episode by any stretch but it didn't leave a ton of hooks. That said, Saturdays aren't exactly banger days for non-sports content so similar to Rampage--but hopefully with better numbers than Rampage--there's room to succeed even without swinging for huge numbers, just because it's still valuable first run content pulling in consistent viewership.
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Post by Kalmia on Jun 21, 2023 11:24:29 GMT -5
It was a good number and I'm sure AEW will be happy with it.
I'm still really eager to see the quarter hours though.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 21, 2023 11:38:48 GMT -5
Well that was a much smaller increase from the overnight that I expected.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 21, 2023 11:44:11 GMT -5
I'll ask this again because nobody ever really answer this;
Why does AEW need to consistently hit a million to be a success? And don't go "Well, Tony Khan tweets about it when it does" because yeah, of course he would, he's the owner. Just like when WWE hypes up something they do well.
Say what you will about Warner Bros Discovery (and f***, man, you can say a goddamn lot) but they've basically did everything except hand them the keys to run TNT and TBS with giving them a tonne of programming time, promoted them extensively on other programming, started putting their content on their streaming service, did a tonne of cross promotion and made them a focus on company events. Jade Cargill was on a banner next to goddamn Wonder Woman for pete sake.
If what we've seen is an indication of what they should be doing, Turner would have basically said Rampage isn't happening never mind All Access and Collision.
Like, by your own logic, we should be wondering why WWE hasn't hit 4 million viewers on a consistent basis on USA or FOX (Yes, Networks work differently in terms of viewership but work with me here) and whilst the FOX relationship is a bit ropey right now, USA ain't going to send Raw and NXT on their way because they're important for them and NBC Universal is likely going to move heaven and earth to keep them there. So unless they stop doing Top 10 ranking demo numbers on a consistent basis, that ain't changing.
Just find me a press release quote or something, anything.
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Post by Fade on Jun 21, 2023 11:49:33 GMT -5
I'll ask this again because nobody ever really answer this; Why does AEW need to consistently hit a million to be a success? And don't go "Well, Tony Khan tweets about it when it does" because yeah, of course he would, he's the owner. Just like when WWE hypes up something they do well. Say what you will about Warner Bros Discovery (and f***, man, you can say a goddamn lot) but they've basically did everything except hand them the keys to run TNT and TBS with giving them a tonne of programming time, promoted them extensively on other programming, started putting their content on their streaming service, did a tonne of cross promotion and made them a focus on company events. Jade Cargill was on a banner next to goddamn Wonder Woman for pete sake. If what we've seen is an indication of what they should be doing, Turner would have basically said Rampage isn't happening never mind All Access and Collision. Like, by your own logic, we should be wondering why WWE hasn't hit 4 million viewers on a consistent basis on USA or FOX (Yes, Networks work differently in terms of viewership but work with me here) and whilst the FOX relationship is a bit ropey right now, USA ain't going to send Raw and NXT on their way because they're important for them and NBC Universal is likely going to move heaven and earth to keep them there. So unless they stop doing Top 10 ranking demo numbers on a consistent basis, that ain't changing. Just find me a press release quote or something, anything. If you’re referencing my post, I was joking lol.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 21, 2023 11:51:14 GMT -5
If you’re referencing my post, I was joking lol. For the record, it wasn't.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Jun 21, 2023 11:51:17 GMT -5
I'll ask this again because nobody ever really answer this; Why does AEW need to consistently hit a million to be a success? And don't go "Well, Tony Khan tweets about it when it does" because yeah, of course he would, he's the owner. Just like when WWE hypes up something they do well. Say what you will about Warner Bros Discovery (and f***, man, you can say a goddamn lot) but they've basically did everything except hand them the keys to run TNT and TBS with giving them a tonne of programming time, promoted them extensively on other programming, started putting their content on their streaming service, did a tonne of cross promotion and made them a focus on company events. Jade Cargill was on a banner next to goddamn Wonder Woman for pete sake. If what we've seen is an indication of what they should be doing, Turner would have basically said Rampage isn't happening never mind All Access and Collision. Like, by your own logic, we should be wondering why WWE hasn't hit 4 million viewers on a consistent basis on USA or FOX (Yes, Networks work differently in terms of viewership but work with me here) and whilst the FOX relationship is a bit ropey right now, USA ain't going to send Raw and NXT on their way because they're important for them and NBC Universal is likely going to move heaven and earth to keep them there. So unless they stop doing Top 10 ranking demo numbers on a consistent basis, that ain't changing. Just find me a press release quote or something, anything. It truly is the most incredibly arbitrary and meaningless benchmark of "success." When you think about it, the way Nielsen ratings work, the difference between "820k" and "1.1 million" could be as few as 25-30 Nielsen households tuning into the show in a given week. It seems like the more accurate metric of popularity (for a wrestling company, or anything else) in the era of cord-cutting is stuff like social media engagement, Youtube views, DVR views, live attendance, merchandise sales, etc... AEW seems to be succeeding on those fronts, because, like you said, WBD is continuing to pump money and promotion into it. I think the "million viewers" thing has just kind of become a meme for the anti-AEW crowd to point to as a clear sign that the end is nigh.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 21, 2023 11:59:39 GMT -5
If you’re referencing my post, I was joking lol. For the record, it wasn't. For the record, I can't believe it's not butter.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 21, 2023 13:10:46 GMT -5
I'll ask this again because nobody ever really answer this; Why does AEW need to consistently hit a million to be a success? And don't go "Well, Tony Khan tweets about it when it does" because yeah, of course he would, he's the owner. Just like when WWE hypes up something they do well. Say what you will about Warner Bros Discovery (and f***, man, you can say a goddamn lot) but they've basically did everything except hand them the keys to run TNT and TBS with giving them a tonne of programming time, promoted them extensively on other programming, started putting their content on their streaming service, did a tonne of cross promotion and made them a focus on company events. Jade Cargill was on a banner next to goddamn Wonder Woman for pete sake. If what we've seen is an indication of what they should be doing, Turner would have basically said Rampage isn't happening never mind All Access and Collision. Like, by your own logic, we should be wondering why WWE hasn't hit 4 million viewers on a consistent basis on USA or FOX (Yes, Networks work differently in terms of viewership but work with me here) and whilst the FOX relationship is a bit ropey right now, USA ain't going to send Raw and NXT on their way because they're important for them and NBC Universal is likely going to move heaven and earth to keep them there. So unless they stop doing Top 10 ranking demo numbers on a consistent basis, that ain't changing. Just find me a press release quote or something, anything. I don’t think anyone here is saying it needs to hit 1 million to be a success. But obviously people by nature look at it as a sort of benchmark, especially when they’ve had chunks of time where they’ve averaged a million plus.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Jun 21, 2023 13:19:34 GMT -5
I think for the sake of what seems like the majority of people (at least those of us on here and other places on the internet) the show not doing record-high numbers with Punk is probably a good thing.
If they had just destroyed it viewership wise with Punk being the main focus, I'd say that's all we'd be seeing for quite some time. Tony is gonna have to put forth a lot of effort to make these must-watch shows now. Hopefully he succeeds.
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Post by darbus alan on Jun 21, 2023 13:24:55 GMT -5
I'll ask this again because nobody ever really answer this; Why does AEW need to consistently hit a million to be a success? And don't go "Well, Tony Khan tweets about it when it does" because yeah, of course he would, he's the owner. Just like when WWE hypes up something they do well. Say what you will about Warner Bros Discovery (and f***, man, you can say a goddamn lot) but they've basically did everything except hand them the keys to run TNT and TBS with giving them a tonne of programming time, promoted them extensively on other programming, started putting their content on their streaming service, did a tonne of cross promotion and made them a focus on company events. Jade Cargill was on a banner next to goddamn Wonder Woman for pete sake. If what we've seen is an indication of what they should be doing, Turner would have basically said Rampage isn't happening never mind All Access and Collision. Like, by your own logic, we should be wondering why WWE hasn't hit 4 million viewers on a consistent basis on USA or FOX (Yes, Networks work differently in terms of viewership but work with me here) and whilst the FOX relationship is a bit ropey right now, USA ain't going to send Raw and NXT on their way because they're important for them and NBC Universal is likely going to move heaven and earth to keep them there. So unless they stop doing Top 10 ranking demo numbers on a consistent basis, that ain't changing. Just find me a press release quote or something, anything. If you’re referencing my post, I was joking lol. I'm guessing it was more in reference to our regular doomposter.
Though I continue to be flabbergasted by how good ratings the College World Series does. Like college baseball sounds like the most boring thing ever to me.
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Post by markymark on Jun 21, 2023 14:15:41 GMT -5
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 21, 2023 14:20:02 GMT -5
No big starting or ending spike for Punk really but something to be said for the show staying mostly consistent. Only real notable dip was the quarter where nothing really happened.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 21, 2023 14:35:04 GMT -5
If the show stays that consistent and retains close to this number of viewer every week, then it will be a very slightly less watched AEW Dynamite, potentially getting better ratings than it some weeks depending on the cards
I think AEW and Warner are gonna take that. College Football might hurt them, but the Summer if it stays around here will be great for everyone.
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Post by Kalmia on Jun 21, 2023 14:39:22 GMT -5
Good to see the ratings stay reasonably consistent throughout the show. I kinda expected the opening segment to have more of a spike of viewers tuning in for Punk, but the steady ratings is a better sign.
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Post by fw91 on Jun 21, 2023 14:42:04 GMT -5
AEW does NOT need to reach 1M viewers to be considered a success. But I’ll be that guy that won’t beat around the bush… IMO…
By AEW getting 1M viewers, it gives their diehards stronger legs to stand in on the tribal arguments. During AEW’s “honeymoon/infancy” phase, WWE was getting slammed by the iwc at perhaps its highest rate ever. AEW was being hyped up as serious competition that was “coming for wwe.” Their style was “real pro wrestling” that “fans wanted to see.” more than WWE’s bull crap. Very few WWE detractors wanted to hear anything about casual fans or arguments that “sports entertainment” storyline style brought in better viewership.
AEW is fine doing their thing, but with WWE back on the upswing, less than 1M in the eyes of the tribal debaters is a sign of lack of momentum and plateauing.
So in short, 1M viewers is an “objective benchmark” that is used in tribal arguments.
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