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Post by The Ichi on Jun 21, 2023 14:42:22 GMT -5
I don't care about hitting a million, but I kept being told bringing back Punk would achieve that so I am going to channel Nelson Muntz.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jun 21, 2023 16:23:55 GMT -5
I'll ask this again because nobody ever really answer this; Why does AEW need to consistently hit a million to be a success? And don't go "Well, Tony Khan tweets about it when it does" because yeah, of course he would, he's the owner. Just like when WWE hypes up something they do well. Say what you will about Warner Bros Discovery (and f***, man, you can say a goddamn lot) but they've basically did everything except hand them the keys to run TNT and TBS with giving them a tonne of programming time, promoted them extensively on other programming, started putting their content on their streaming service, did a tonne of cross promotion and made them a focus on company events. Jade Cargill was on a banner next to goddamn Wonder Woman for pete sake. If what we've seen is an indication of what they should be doing, Turner would have basically said Rampage isn't happening never mind All Access and Collision. Like, by your own logic, we should be wondering why WWE hasn't hit 4 million viewers on a consistent basis on USA or FOX (Yes, Networks work differently in terms of viewership but work with me here) and whilst the FOX relationship is a bit ropey right now, USA ain't going to send Raw and NXT on their way because they're important for them and NBC Universal is likely going to move heaven and earth to keep them there. So unless they stop doing Top 10 ranking demo numbers on a consistent basis, that ain't changing. Just find me a press release quote or something, anything. I'll try to answer... #1 it's a big old round number. #2 Dynamite has had decent stretches of time hitting that figure or thereabouts. Also, if at that point you'd said they'd add CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Christian, Jeff Hardy etc. the common consensus would be that they would be doing well over a million. It hasn't panned out that way, and they are obviously growing in other ways. But it all comes back to the idea that wrestling fans are a bit obsessed with history repeating itself, and so any new company either has to grow exponentially and start beating WWE, or flame out a la TNA. A stable number two that is secure for the long haul is a bit of a new concept.
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Post by fw91 on Jun 21, 2023 16:30:17 GMT -5
I'll ask this again because nobody ever really answer this; Why does AEW need to consistently hit a million to be a success? And don't go "Well, Tony Khan tweets about it when it does" because yeah, of course he would, he's the owner. Just like when WWE hypes up something they do well. Say what you will about Warner Bros Discovery (and f***, man, you can say a goddamn lot) but they've basically did everything except hand them the keys to run TNT and TBS with giving them a tonne of programming time, promoted them extensively on other programming, started putting their content on their streaming service, did a tonne of cross promotion and made them a focus on company events. Jade Cargill was on a banner next to goddamn Wonder Woman for pete sake. If what we've seen is an indication of what they should be doing, Turner would have basically said Rampage isn't happening never mind All Access and Collision. Like, by your own logic, we should be wondering why WWE hasn't hit 4 million viewers on a consistent basis on USA or FOX (Yes, Networks work differently in terms of viewership but work with me here) and whilst the FOX relationship is a bit ropey right now, USA ain't going to send Raw and NXT on their way because they're important for them and NBC Universal is likely going to move heaven and earth to keep them there. So unless they stop doing Top 10 ranking demo numbers on a consistent basis, that ain't changing. Just find me a press release quote or something, anything. I'll try to answer... #1 it's a big old round number. #2 Dynamite has had decent stretches of time hitting that figure or thereabouts. Also, if at that point you'd said they'd add CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Christian, Jeff Hardy etc. the common consensus would be that they would be doing well over a million. It hasn't panned out that way, and they are obviously growing in other ways. But it all comes back to the idea that wrestling fans are a bit obsessed with history repeating itself, and so any new company either has to grow exponentially and start beating WWE, or flame out a la TNA. A stable number two that is secure for the long haul is a bit of a new concept.That's a good point.
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Post by bob on Jun 21, 2023 16:34:43 GMT -5
Collision can continue to get around these numbers if they continue to make it feel important, as opposed to Rampage
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2023 17:34:50 GMT -5
the million viewer mark is a massive simplifaction really, the million number is irrelevant because most shows don't hit that anyway. AEW's only real 'hot streak' of consistently pulling over a million viewers was right after fans were being let back into arenas and they were on the road again. Dynamite's viewership has declined since last year, last year had the biggest average viewership of any year in AEW's existence but it declined over the course of the year and has continued to do so at a steady rate, average viewership this year is down ~7.6% compared to this time last year. Average viewership for this year is also slightly below average viewership for 2021. PPV buys are also down a little compared to last year. It's definitely not a hot period for AEW but the million viewer thing has nothing to do with it, and if the company was under any kind of existential threat then they wouldn't be getting given new TV slots.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Jun 21, 2023 17:46:06 GMT -5
This is where Tony really dropped the ball. They really needed some kind of big angle or surprise to end the show to make people want to watch the next Collision.......just having Punk & FTR win, and then the show ends is not it.
The First Dance did the same thing. Punk had his promo then the rest of the show was completely forgettable and closed on a Daniel Garcia match at a point when no one gave a shit about him. Garcia wrestled today?!
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Post by ghost on Jun 21, 2023 18:13:42 GMT -5
I don’t know about sustaining viewership, that’s going to be unpredictable week to week, but I feel like they not only have to make Collision feel important but also completely different in structure and feel than Dynamite. I liked that it looked different on Saturday and had a different announce team. Punk being front and center definitely gave it a different vibe as well. If Collision suddenly starts opening shows with 20 minute Orange Cassidy matches and have it just be an extension of Wednesday, then it’s going to be pretty disappointing. That’s why I was actually hoping for a brand split because I’m almost positive Jane is going to open Collision and Dynamite on the same week some time soon, but we will see how Khan plays it.
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Post by toodarkmark on Jun 21, 2023 21:48:58 GMT -5
People should pretend its money. No one in their right mind would think making $813,000 is a bad thing. But there are many people on the internet who think if you don't make a $1,000,000, you're not successful enough. Seems simple if you explain it that way.
AEW had the #3 show on Wednesday, beating 147 other ranked shows. The #12 show on Friday, beating 138 shows. The #3 again on Saturday, again beating 147 shows. Simple math shows what a success AEW is.
Math is really what TV executives are about, whereas social media fingers are about making up fictional numbers to go to war on why something is a failure, when it's not. Oh well.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jun 21, 2023 21:56:27 GMT -5
I don't care about hitting a million, but I kept being told bringing back Punk would achieve that so I am going to channel Nelson Muntz.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Jun 22, 2023 1:50:59 GMT -5
For the record I'm glad they stayed consistent. Not as big of a spike for Punk as I thought there would be, but still he brought viewers back, so yay I suppose.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 22, 2023 1:55:06 GMT -5
Legit curious how next week does cause it feels like it's a bigger card than the last show
Swerve vs Tanahashi is a huge match.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 22, 2023 3:21:53 GMT -5
People should pretend its money. No one in their right mind would think making $813,000 is a bad thing. But there are many people on the internet who think if you don't make a $1,000,000, you're not successful enough. Seems simple if you explain it that way. But that's my question. Why is it that way? Because all that does is just add to the argument people have here and online. Especially when your next part is this; Which is more what is listened to because demos are important to executives.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jun 22, 2023 6:33:26 GMT -5
If you’re referencing my post, I was joking lol. I'm guessing it was more in reference to our regular doomposter.
Though I continue to be flabbergasted by how good ratings the College World Series does. Like college baseball sounds like the most boring thing ever to me.
I’m guessing because it’s the only “event” going on right now. NBA and NHL just finished their playoffs and we’ve begun the long middle of the MLB season so the college baseball is like the only game in town. And it’s been terribly boring for the most part.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Jun 23, 2023 11:23:46 GMT -5
AEW does NOT need to reach 1M viewers to be considered a success. But I’ll be that guy that won’t beat around the bush… IMO… By AEW getting 1M viewers, it gives their diehards stronger legs to stand in on the tribal arguments. During AEW’s “honeymoon/infancy” phase, WWE was getting slammed by the iwc at perhaps its highest rate ever. AEW was being hyped up as serious competition that was “coming for wwe.” Their style was “real pro wrestling” that “fans wanted to see.” more than WWE’s bull crap. Very few WWE detractors wanted to hear anything about casual fans or arguments that “sports entertainment” storyline style brought in better viewership. AEW is fine doing their thing, but with WWE back on the upswing, less than 1M in the eyes of the tribal debaters is a sign of lack of momentum and plateauing. So in short, 1M viewers is an “objective benchmark” that is used in tribal arguments. It didn’t help when asshats like Jericho were saying “in six months Dynamite will be beating Raw.” Like..why feed that machine?
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 23, 2023 11:56:23 GMT -5
AEW does NOT need to reach 1M viewers to be considered a success. But I’ll be that guy that won’t beat around the bush… IMO… By AEW getting 1M viewers, it gives their diehards stronger legs to stand in on the tribal arguments. During AEW’s “honeymoon/infancy” phase, WWE was getting slammed by the iwc at perhaps its highest rate ever. AEW was being hyped up as serious competition that was “coming for wwe.” Their style was “real pro wrestling” that “fans wanted to see.” more than WWE’s bull crap. Very few WWE detractors wanted to hear anything about casual fans or arguments that “sports entertainment” storyline style brought in better viewership. AEW is fine doing their thing, but with WWE back on the upswing, less than 1M in the eyes of the tribal debaters is a sign of lack of momentum and plateauing. So in short, 1M viewers is an “objective benchmark” that is used in tribal arguments. It didn’t help when asshats like Jericho were saying “in six months Dynamite will be beating Raw.” Like..why feed that machine? In fairness to Jericho, that was absolutely the way things were headed in the fall of 2021. AEW was getting hot and RAW especially was cold at the time.
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