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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 11, 2023 16:28:57 GMT -5
its my second favorite in the franchise after Suikoden 2, but Suikoden 5 takes like 8 hours to get to the actual plot. It's funny, I agree with you, but I also (mostly) wouldn't change much, since I feel like it does a good job of getting to invested in certain things. I think the only thing I'd change is that Shoon really should have joined early. Like, no, that would not automatically fix everything about the pacing, but it's so weird that they do put in the effort to establish him to you early on and then you only get him at like the end of the damn game, practically, at which point you have like no real incentive to use him at all, since if you were wanting to, you'd probably just use Nikeah instead. It's kinda like the first season of GoT. The world building was crucial and it's worth it in the end, but man, you gotta sit in it for a bit. And agreed about Shoon. So weird how late he joins you.
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Post by fg on Jul 11, 2023 17:55:21 GMT -5
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jul 12, 2023 15:25:53 GMT -5
Love the game but Persona 5 came to mind for me. I don’t know if I’d go that far, but it does take a while before you really get to doing anything that feels productive. Jedi: Fallen Order’s tutorial planet took a bit before it got interesting. At least its sequel didn’t linger too long on the “getting marched in shackles” sequence before getting started.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jul 12, 2023 16:19:56 GMT -5
GTA 3: about a 2-minute video of Catalina betraying Claude, and his and 8-Ball’s escape during the bombing of the bridge.
GTA San Andreas: about a 5-minute video of Tenpenny and Pulaski intercepting CJ from the airport, followed by a brief bike ride to the house, then another extended 5 minutes of him meeting up with Big Smoke, then arguing with Sweet at the cemetery.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 12, 2023 17:14:11 GMT -5
Love the game but Persona 5 came to mind for me. It runs in the series because Persona 3 and 4 aren't that much better in that regard.
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Post by J is Justice on Jul 12, 2023 19:16:36 GMT -5
FFX is another. I'd say it only really gets going when you leave Besaid.
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Post by JasonVoorhees1988 on Jul 12, 2023 23:02:54 GMT -5
One of the things that I love about Spider-Man on PS4 is that it starts out with a big set piece and boss battle. Like... f*** yes. I'm already immersed in the world, because I grew up with the comics and cartoons. But I love the beginning. Sure it slows back down, but that's ok. Because it starts with a bang.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jul 13, 2023 4:24:14 GMT -5
FFX is another. I'd say it only really gets going when you leave Besaid. For me it's Mihan, that's when you finally get all the blitzball shit over with and you don't get a 20 minute cutscene every five feet.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 13, 2023 4:57:25 GMT -5
All of the Danganronpa games have pretty drawn out intros, basically by nature of how they have to rapidly establish the premise and all 15-16 characters in the class for each game, but they get longer as they go. First game handles it pretty eloquently with just having everyone all gather in one spot from the get-go with you just talking to each of them one by one then getting right to explaining the premise, but then in 2 they have a pretty drawn out intro before you get to that point then you have to go all around the setting finding them all to handle the actual introductions. Then V3 does that again while also having you do more or less the same sequence of opening scenes twice in a row, and you have significantly more downtime before you actually get to the first murder afterward.
Granted that kind of relates to a broader problem of how the games just kind of bloat in length as they go. The first trial in 2 is longer than any of the trials in 1 and the same goes for the first trial in V3 being longer than anything in 2.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Jul 13, 2023 5:01:17 GMT -5
Ahhh I remember the days when a video game started when you pressed start...
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jul 13, 2023 5:18:02 GMT -5
The Yakuza series (and, yes, all of them) are quite shameless in whole long they actually take to get going. It even trolls you at times in that it’ll let you walk three feet before it jackknifes into another cutscene,
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jul 13, 2023 8:30:10 GMT -5
Persona 4 took a while.
Even worse, I remember there not being a save point for ages so you have to plough through it in one blast or be forced to trudge through it again.
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Post by salz4life on Jul 13, 2023 9:00:58 GMT -5
GTA 3: about a 2-minute video of Catalina betraying Claude, and his and 8-Ball’s escape during the bombing of the bridge. GTA San Andreas: about a 5-minute video of Tenpenny and Pulaski intercepting CJ from the airport, followed by a brief bike ride to the house, then another extended 5 minutes of him meeting up with Big Smoke, then arguing with Sweet at the cemetery. Yeah... I remember the first time I played GTA3 being annoyed by the neverending opening theme. LOL
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