Zone Was Wrong
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jul 13, 2023 21:51:06 GMT -5
I approve of a safer work environment which will lead to less injuries. But full on banning stuff? It’s hard not to feel this is mandated by the higher ups to protect their investment. Which is fine but this kills another little piece of AEW. What have they banned that is essential or a big part of AEW though? Spreading blood and bodily fluids in the crowd? Unprotected chair shots what should never have been allowed anyways? Maybe the buckle bomb ban is a bit off but that's the only one that might be a bit out of place.
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Post by cyrusthevirus on Jul 13, 2023 21:55:35 GMT -5
I love Danielson, I love seeing Danielson, I love that we get to enjoy even sporadic top notch performances from Danielson. But I'm so f***ing ready to never see him fake a seizure again f***ing hell. Wrestling used to be about making it seem real. A lot of viewers seem to forget that. Danielson is from the old school and has that mentality still. We should keep these traditions alive. He’s not putting anyone in danger by doing this. This just seems like a sensitivity thing. We shouldn’t want them to censor the product. They started to beginning at the end of 2021. Around the time they stopped letting Jade say “Tony……cut the shit.”
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Post by cyrusthevirus on Jul 13, 2023 21:58:15 GMT -5
I approve of a safer work environment which will lead to less injuries. But full on banning stuff? It’s hard not to feel this is mandated by the higher ups to protect their investment. Which is fine but this kills another little piece of AEW. What have they banned that is essential or a big part of AEW though? Spreading blood and bodily fluids in the crowd? Unprotected chair shots what should never have been allowed anyways? Maybe the buckle bomb ban is a bit off but that's the only one that might be a bit out of place. Not much as you mentioned but let’s not be naive and act like they won’t continue to ban more and more things and this time without sending out a press release. The originality and creativity of wrestlers will suffer from this.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 13, 2023 22:07:01 GMT -5
Sounds completely reasonable to me. The banned stuff is all stuff that should be banned and the restricted stuff is all stuff that really already should have required approval to do.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 13, 2023 22:08:21 GMT -5
Wrestling used to be about making it seem real. A lot of viewers seem to forget that. Danielson is from the old school and has that mentality still. We should keep these traditions alive. Nah, f*** that. Something being traditional doesn't automatically make it good and what worked 40 years ago doesn't need to be done now, treat it like the fictional television show it is.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jul 13, 2023 22:10:12 GMT -5
*shrug*
Worker safety should be priority #1, but I'm also in the boat of letting the artists create. Restrictions can help prevent injuries, but this still isn't put-put golf and injuries will still happen no matter what limitations are implemented. These people know the risks and sign off themselves when they choose to preform, that's why I love these maniacs that want to become pro-wrestlers.
As long as the in ring product doesn't suffer, fine, but I have my doubts.
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Post by cyrusthevirus on Jul 13, 2023 22:13:46 GMT -5
Wrestling used to be about making it seem real. A lot of viewers seem to forget that. Danielson is from the old school and has that mentality still. We should keep these traditions alive. Nah, f*** that. Something being traditional doesn't automatically make it good and what worked 40 years ago doesn't need to be done now, treat it like the fictional television show it is. This is a sad post if you claim to be a wrestling fan
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Post by Kalmia on Jul 13, 2023 22:15:47 GMT -5
Blood and Guts is next week and it involves some of the most insane and inventive people on the AEW roster. That'll probably give a better idea of whether this will have any real effect or not.
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Post by schizo on Jul 13, 2023 22:18:47 GMT -5
I love Danielson, I love seeing Danielson, I love that we get to enjoy even sporadic top notch performances from Danielson. But I'm so f***ing ready to never see him fake a seizure again f***ing hell. Wrestling used to be about making it seem real. A lot of viewers seem to forget that. Danielson is from the old school and has that mentality still. We should keep these traditions alive. He’s not putting anyone in danger by doing this. This just seems like a sensitivity thing. We shouldn’t want them to censor the product. They started to beginning at the end of 2021. Around the time they stopped letting Jade say “Tony……cut the shit.” With all due respect, I don’t agree with any of this. Tradition doesn’t always equal quality, you could still put on a great product without having to put you’re body through hell every single week or trying to sound edgy by saying “shit” about 20 times every dynamite . If you care for the well being of you’re favorite wrestlers, you wouldn’t be against this
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Post by cyrusthevirus on Jul 13, 2023 22:24:36 GMT -5
Wrestling used to be about making it seem real. A lot of viewers seem to forget that. Danielson is from the old school and has that mentality still. We should keep these traditions alive. He’s not putting anyone in danger by doing this. This just seems like a sensitivity thing. We shouldn’t want them to censor the product. They started to beginning at the end of 2021. Around the time they stopped letting Jade say “Tony……cut the shit.” With all due respect, I don’t agree with any of this. Tradition doesn’t always equal quality, you could still put on a great product without having to put you’re body through hell every single week or trying to sound edgy by saying “shit” about 20 times every dynamite . If you care for the well being of you’re favorite wrestlers, you wouldn’t be against this Where did I ever say it was better? This is what Danielson wants to do. I’m not saying it’s better, I’m saying that I want the wrestlers to be able to do what they feel is best for their match. I clearly stated that I’m all for safety but this is still a business where injuries will happen no matter what.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 13, 2023 22:26:50 GMT -5
I love Danielson, I love seeing Danielson, I love that we get to enjoy even sporadic top notch performances from Danielson. But I'm so f***ing ready to never see him fake a seizure again f***ing hell. Wrestling used to be about making it seem real. A lot of viewers seem to forget that. Danielson is from the old school and has that mentality still. We should keep these traditions alive. He’s not putting anyone in danger by doing this. This just seems like a sensitivity thing. We shouldn’t want them to censor the product. They started to beginning at the end of 2021. Around the time they stopped letting Jade say “Tony……cut the shit.” Yeah I am pretty sensitive I guess to the idea that a guy constantly threading the needle of horrific brain damage keeps teasing "oh shit I got brain damage for real real" because reality is not a thing I value of something I know is fake, and I would rather be engrossed in a show I know is fake than to have my sense of "AW f*** NOW WE'RE SERIOUS" be tickled over brain damage. Viewers didn't forget it, that's the fundamental change of tastes and how thpeople engage with a century-old art form that differs from how it was forty years ago and by then even only in specific parts of the world. Also it's not censorship if a company decides actively what they do and don't want in their product. That's just actually not what that word means.
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Post by cyrusthevirus on Jul 13, 2023 22:30:30 GMT -5
Wrestling used to be about making it seem real. A lot of viewers seem to forget that. Danielson is from the old school and has that mentality still. We should keep these traditions alive. He’s not putting anyone in danger by doing this. This just seems like a sensitivity thing. We shouldn’t want them to censor the product. They started to beginning at the end of 2021. Around the time they stopped letting Jade say “Tony……cut the shit.” Yeah I am pretty sensitive I guess to the idea that a guy constantly threading the needle of horrific brain damage keeps teasing "oh shit I got brain damage for real real" because reality is not a thing I value of something I know is fake, and I would rather be engrossed in a show I know is fake than to have my sense of "AW f*** NOW WE'RE SERIOUS" be tickled over brain damage. Viewers didn't forget it, that's the fundamental change of tastes and how thpeople engage with a century-old art form that differs from how it was forty years ago and by then even only in specific parts of the world. Also it's not censorship if a company decides actively what they do and don't want in their product. That's just actually not what that word means. Those feelings you feel? What you just described? Is exactly why Danielson does those spots. That’s why his matches feel different than others. You’re killing a piece of him by doing this and the more they ban things the more the product will suffer.
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Post by bob on Jul 13, 2023 22:32:45 GMT -5
of course Nana isn't on the list
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Post by Von Wagner's Brownies on Jul 13, 2023 22:34:44 GMT -5
Yeah I am pretty sensitive I guess to the idea that a guy constantly threading the needle of horrific brain damage keeps teasing "oh shit I got brain damage for real real" because reality is not a thing I value of something I know is fake, and I would rather be engrossed in a show I know is fake than to have my sense of "AW f*** NOW WE'RE SERIOUS" be tickled over brain damage. Viewers didn't forget it, that's the fundamental change of tastes and how thpeople engage with a century-old art form that differs from how it was forty years ago and by then even only in specific parts of the world. Also it's not censorship if a company decides actively what they do and don't want in their product. That's just actually not what that word means. Those feelings you feel? What you just described? Is exactly why Danielson does those spots. That’s why his matches feel different than others. You’re killing a piece of him by doing this and the more they ban things the more the product will suffer. There are other ways to sell without people thinking he's gotten another concussion based seizure, he'll be fine, the product will be fine.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 13, 2023 22:38:14 GMT -5
Yeah I am pretty sensitive I guess to the idea that a guy constantly threading the needle of horrific brain damage keeps teasing "oh shit I got brain damage for real real" because reality is not a thing I value of something I know is fake, and I would rather be engrossed in a show I know is fake than to have my sense of "AW f*** NOW WE'RE SERIOUS" be tickled over brain damage. Viewers didn't forget it, that's the fundamental change of tastes and how thpeople engage with a century-old art form that differs from how it was forty years ago and by then even only in specific parts of the world. Also it's not censorship if a company decides actively what they do and don't want in their product. That's just actually not what that word means. Those feelings you feel? What you just described? Is exactly why Danielson does those spots. That’s why his matches feel different than others. You’re killing a piece of him by doing this and the more they ban things the more the product will suffer. This is at once hilariously over the top and also really demeaning the talents of one of the best wrestlers in the world by saying that the thing he does that makes his matches feel different is trading off of the very real danger of risking his entire life. Because nah personally I find a lot of things great and different and amazing about one of my favorite wrestlers of ever without him doing that shit and I wanna restate the part where I said that I would rathe be engrossed in something I know is fake and how realism doesn't do anything for me because I feel like saying "THE FEELINGS YOU FEEL ARE WHY HE NEEDS TO DO THAT TO YOU" is completely missing the point I'm making. I will gladly kill a piece of him if it means I don't have to see those sports, sorry. I will murder it myself in cruel and fascinating ways. I will Happy Death Day that part of him every day and find new ways to kill it just so that I can continue to find the pleasure in cheering its destruction.
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Post by Fade on Jul 13, 2023 22:39:18 GMT -5
As some have brought up - Most stuff will probably still be allowed but require the proper channels and permission. Good. Can’t be wild, wild, west forever. Not when serious money is at stake. I think the Dante Martin thing woke some ppl up. That was excessive. The turnbuckle stuff confuses me a tad. As does spitting. And grabbing drinks and stuff from fans, that kind of interaction is awesome. Thanks mjf >:l - We’ll see how strict AEW is about it. I love Danielson, I love seeing Danielson, I love that we get to enjoy even sporadic top notch performances from Danielson. But I'm so f***ing ready to never see him fake a seizure again f***ing hell. Wrestling used to be about making it seem real. A lot of viewers seem to forget that. Danielson is from the old school and has that mentality still. We should keep these traditions alive. He’s not putting anyone in danger by doing this. This just seems like a sensitivity thing. We shouldn’t want them to censor the product. They started to beginning at the end of 2021. Around the time they stopped letting Jade say “Tony……cut the shit.” I’m on camp “f*** that”. Here’s the thing, I think you can do variations of this like spasms or ragdoll physics, comes off believable but there’s no doubt it’s performance. The fencing thing is not only a step beyond, considering danielson’s history, but it’s not realistic in the sense that if an opponent did start fencing, REALISTICALLY, shit’s over. Fights done. So my stipulation with selling fencing would be “ alright, you can do it, but it’s an immediate match stoppage” because again, realistically, it’d be over. Fans care about wrestlers well being these days. It was not like this before. I think if it protects the overall safety of the performers, it’s a good thing. Note how there's nothing in here mentioning firearms. New era is here. Arn Anderson been here
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 13, 2023 22:44:22 GMT -5
Yeah I am pretty sensitive I guess to the idea that a guy constantly threading the needle of horrific brain damage keeps teasing "oh shit I got brain damage for real real" because reality is not a thing I value of something I know is fake, and I would rather be engrossed in a show I know is fake than to have my sense of "AW f*** NOW WE'RE SERIOUS" be tickled over brain damage. Viewers didn't forget it, that's the fundamental change of tastes and how thpeople engage with a century-old art form that differs from how it was forty years ago and by then even only in specific parts of the world. Also it's not censorship if a company decides actively what they do and don't want in their product. That's just actually not what that word means. Those feelings you feel? What you just described? Is exactly why Danielson does those spots. That’s why his matches feel different than others. You’re killing a piece of him by doing this and the more they ban things the more the product will suffer. Except you're assuming that feelings of genuine discomfort are a thing people actually want out of watching. Maybe some people are on board with that kind of thing, but some others are just like, "No, this is just reminding me of the sobering reality that this dude could just drop dead or suffer horrific lifelong consequences at any moment because he's already had to retire once due to injuries like this," and that just takes them out of things and removes their investment. Even if the intent is to achieve those feelings that doesn't necessarily make for a worthwhile viewing experience or one everyone wants to engage with. Sometimes it just makes the experience too real in a way that makes people not want to watch. Also it's Bryan Danielson, dude can make anything that isn't a match with Drew Gulak entertaining, he doesn't need it in the first place.
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Post by cyrusthevirus on Jul 13, 2023 22:48:04 GMT -5
Those feelings you feel? What you just described? Is exactly why Danielson does those spots. That’s why his matches feel different than others. You’re killing a piece of him by doing this and the more they ban things the more the product will suffer. This is at once hilariously over the top and also really demeaning the talents of one of the best wrestlers in the world by saying that the thing he does that makes his matches feel different is trading off of the very real danger of risking his entire life. Because nah personally I find a lot of things great and different and amazing about one of my favorite wrestlers of ever without him doing that shit and I wanna restate the part where I said that I would rathe be engrossed in something I know is fake and how realism doesn't do anything for me because I feel like saying "THE FEELINGS YOU FEEL ARE WHY HE NEEDS TO DO THAT TO YOU" is completely missing the point I'm making. I will gladly kill a piece of him if it means I don't have to see those sports, sorry. I will murder it myself in cruel and fascinating ways. I will Happy Death Day that part of him every day and find new ways to kill it just so that I can continue to find the pleasure in cheering its destruction. Look at the bigger picture. Not just Danielson specifically. If they start banning harmless things like the seizure spot, how much more will they go before this becomes a WWE PG situation. I’m not saying these moves make it that but it’s only the beginning. AEW was originally great because of how much different it was from the opposition. Maybe this is why Cody left….
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 13, 2023 22:51:33 GMT -5
This is at once hilariously over the top and also really demeaning the talents of one of the best wrestlers in the world by saying that the thing he does that makes his matches feel different is trading off of the very real danger of risking his entire life. Because nah personally I find a lot of things great and different and amazing about one of my favorite wrestlers of ever without him doing that shit and I wanna restate the part where I said that I would rathe be engrossed in something I know is fake and how realism doesn't do anything for me because I feel like saying "THE FEELINGS YOU FEEL ARE WHY HE NEEDS TO DO THAT TO YOU" is completely missing the point I'm making. I will gladly kill a piece of him if it means I don't have to see those sports, sorry. I will murder it myself in cruel and fascinating ways. I will Happy Death Day that part of him every day and find new ways to kill it just so that I can continue to find the pleasure in cheering its destruction. Look at the bigger picture. Not just Danielson specifically. If they start banning harmless things like the seizure spot, how much more will they go before this becomes a WWE PG situation. I’m not saying these moves make it that but it’s only the beginning. AEW was originally great because of how much different it was from the opposition. Maybe this is why Cody left…. Slippery slope fallacy. You can use that for literally anything. You can just as easily say, "MJF can't whip his dick out to show how much bigger it is than the dicks of the people in Greensboro, that's basically one step removed from him coming out in a T-shirt saying CM Punk Is Poopy." A line has to be drawn somewhere, this is just where it's being drawn.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 13, 2023 22:52:21 GMT -5
I love horror movies, I love the feeling of dread and discomfort when I'm watching something where I don't ever have to think "Oh man wait hold on did this really happen?" because I'm just like kinda stoned and watching Skinamarink so it doesn't really become something where I have to worry about that. I don't watch pro wrestling to feel discomfort or to have to wonder if someone is going to be okay in real life. It makes wrestling actually feel less real to me because any time wrestling tries to be "real" and say "NO NO THIS IS LEGIT NOW WE'RE SERIOUS" it feels like an amateur magic show. It reminds me that I'm watching something that isn't real but hwich would really really like for me to think it is. I actually checked out during the Okada match at Forbidden Door because the spot took me out of the show and hurt my interest in the match. That's bad. That's the opposite of what I want to be experiencing and watching.
Anyway normally I'd object to the whole 'define what a wrestling fan should and shouldn't feel' or whatever because that's crap but I actually think Lizuka deserves their freedom and this is unshackling them now from the cruel fate awaiting us all. Be free. Frolic through the fields, for yoru days of having to be a wrestling fan are over. Your affliction has been cured and I am happy for you. Like the ending of Cats.
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