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Post by schizo on Jul 13, 2023 22:55:22 GMT -5
This is at once hilariously over the top and also really demeaning the talents of one of the best wrestlers in the world by saying that the thing he does that makes his matches feel different is trading off of the very real danger of risking his entire life. Because nah personally I find a lot of things great and different and amazing about one of my favorite wrestlers of ever without him doing that shit and I wanna restate the part where I said that I would rathe be engrossed in something I know is fake and how realism doesn't do anything for me because I feel like saying "THE FEELINGS YOU FEEL ARE WHY HE NEEDS TO DO THAT TO YOU" is completely missing the point I'm making. I will gladly kill a piece of him if it means I don't have to see those sports, sorry. I will murder it myself in cruel and fascinating ways. I will Happy Death Day that part of him every day and find new ways to kill it just so that I can continue to find the pleasure in cheering its destruction. Look at the bigger picture. Not just Danielson specifically. If they start banning harmless things like the seizure spot, how much more will they go before this becomes a WWE PG situation. I’m not saying these moves make it that but it’s only the beginning. AEW was originally great because of how much different it was from the opposition. Maybe this is why Cody left…. So you think that Cody left AEW because…in your opinion…AEW might be getting to pg, and he went to WWE where it already is more PG than AEW is. did I catch that right? |
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jul 13, 2023 22:56:29 GMT -5
This is at once hilariously over the top and also really demeaning the talents of one of the best wrestlers in the world by saying that the thing he does that makes his matches feel different is trading off of the very real danger of risking his entire life. Because nah personally I find a lot of things great and different and amazing about one of my favorite wrestlers of ever without him doing that shit and I wanna restate the part where I said that I would rathe be engrossed in something I know is fake and how realism doesn't do anything for me because I feel like saying "THE FEELINGS YOU FEEL ARE WHY HE NEEDS TO DO THAT TO YOU" is completely missing the point I'm making. I will gladly kill a piece of him if it means I don't have to see those sports, sorry. I will murder it myself in cruel and fascinating ways. I will Happy Death Day that part of him every day and find new ways to kill it just so that I can continue to find the pleasure in cheering its destruction. Look at the bigger picture. Not just Danielson specifically. If they start banning harmless things like the seizure spot, how much more will they go before this becomes a WWE PG situation. I’m not saying these moves make it that but it’s only the beginning. AEW was originally great because of how much different it was from the opposition. Maybe this is why Cody left…. Cody left AEW because it was getting too much like WWE to go to....WWE? Right. Really blowing little things out of proportion here. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 13, 2023 22:57:22 GMT -5
I love horror movies, I love the feeling of dread and discomfort when I'm watching something where I don't ever have to think "Oh man wait hold on did this really happen?" because I'm just like kinda stoned and watching Skinamarink so it doesn't really become something where I have to worry about that. I don't watch pro wrestling to feel discomfort or to have to wonder if someone is going to be okay in real life. It makes wrestling actually feel less real to me because any time wrestling tries to be "real" and say "NO NO THIS IS LEGIT NOW WE'RE SERIOUS" it feels like an amateur magic show. It reminds me that I'm watching something that isn't real but hwich would really really like for me to think it is. I actually checked out during the Okada match at Forbidden Door because the spot took me out of the show and hurt my interest in the match. That's bad. That's the opposite of what I want to be experiencing and watching. Anyway normally I'd object to the whole 'define what a wrestling fan should and shouldn't feel' or whatever because that's crap but I actually think Lizuka deserves their freedom and this is unshackling them now from the cruel fate awaiting us all. Be free. Frolic through the fields, for yoru days of having to be a wrestling fan are over. Your affliction has been cured and I am happy for you. Like the ending of Cats. From now on I only appreciate sports entertainment. Need to get me a hat. |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 13, 2023 22:57:51 GMT -5
I thought "AEW fans are praising things they always hate WWE for but this will make AEW's audience leave" was the weirdest contradiction claim this thread was gonna get but no I guess we're digging into the primo stash tonight.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 13, 2023 22:58:31 GMT -5
Sweet Robot Santa and his pal Jesus, do I really need to remind some of you this isn't Twitter, because, this isn't Twitter. This also isn't the Southern Molehill Wrestling boards, the 1980s, 90s, 00s or even the early 10s anymore.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 13, 2023 23:00:28 GMT -5
I love horror movies, I love the feeling of dread and discomfort when I'm watching something where I don't ever have to think "Oh man wait hold on did this really happen?" because I'm just like kinda stoned and watching Skinamarink so it doesn't really become something where I have to worry about that. I don't watch pro wrestling to feel discomfort or to have to wonder if someone is going to be okay in real life. It makes wrestling actually feel less real to me because any time wrestling tries to be "real" and say "NO NO THIS IS LEGIT NOW WE'RE SERIOUS" it feels like an amateur magic show. It reminds me that I'm watching something that isn't real but hwich would really really like for me to think it is. I actually checked out during the Okada match at Forbidden Door because the spot took me out of the show and hurt my interest in the match. That's bad. That's the opposite of what I want to be experiencing and watching. Anyway normally I'd object to the whole 'define what a wrestling fan should and shouldn't feel' or whatever because that's crap but I actually think Lizuka deserves their freedom and this is unshackling them now from the cruel fate awaiting us all. Be free. Frolic through the fields, for yoru days of having to be a wrestling fan are over. Your affliction has been cured and I am happy for you. Like the ending of Cats. From now on I only appreciate sports entertainment. Need to get me a hat.  |
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jul 13, 2023 23:02:24 GMT -5
I love horror movies, I love the feeling of dread and discomfort when I'm watching something where I don't ever have to think "Oh man wait hold on did this really happen?" because I'm just like kinda stoned and watching Skinamarink so it doesn't really become something where I have to worry about that. I don't watch pro wrestling to feel discomfort or to have to wonder if someone is going to be okay in real life. It makes wrestling actually feel less real to me because any time wrestling tries to be "real" and say "NO NO THIS IS LEGIT NOW WE'RE SERIOUS" it feels like an amateur magic show. It reminds me that I'm watching something that isn't real but hwich would really really like for me to think it is. I actually checked out during the Okada match at Forbidden Door because the spot took me out of the show and hurt my interest in the match. That's bad. That's the opposite of what I want to be experiencing and watching. Trying to think of what the movie equivalent is, and it feels weird to pick this because it's on such a lesser scale of bad than the seizure sell, but: It's like when David Lowery or like-minded directors decide that the only lighting in the scene is going to come from in-universe light sources. Sure, that's technically more "realistic," for a given value of such, but it's not going to immerse me in the movie when I can't friggin' see anything, it's going to make me angry at the director for making a movie where I can't friggin' see anything, and then I start picking apart how maybe it's "realistic" that there's one light source there, but how the entire scene could have been contrived in multiple other ways so that I could SEE THE MOVIE. Realism and suspension of disbelief are not the same thing, and there's such a thing as realism that breaks suspension of disbelief. |
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Post by Chiral on Jul 13, 2023 23:05:37 GMT -5
Indie wrestler named Several Things checking his phone like "WHAT THE F************!??!?!?!?!?"
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 13, 2023 23:08:40 GMT -5
I love horror movies, I love the feeling of dread and discomfort when I'm watching something where I don't ever have to think "Oh man wait hold on did this really happen?" because I'm just like kinda stoned and watching Skinamarink so it doesn't really become something where I have to worry about that. I don't watch pro wrestling to feel discomfort or to have to wonder if someone is going to be okay in real life. It makes wrestling actually feel less real to me because any time wrestling tries to be "real" and say "NO NO THIS IS LEGIT NOW WE'RE SERIOUS" it feels like an amateur magic show. It reminds me that I'm watching something that isn't real but hwich would really really like for me to think it is. I actually checked out during the Okada match at Forbidden Door because the spot took me out of the show and hurt my interest in the match. That's bad. That's the opposite of what I want to be experiencing and watching. Trying to think of what the movie equivalent is, and it feels weird to pick this because it's on such a lesser scale of bad than the seizure sell, but: It's like when David Lowery or like-minded directors decide that the only lighting in the scene is going to come from in-universe light sources. Sure, that's technically more "realistic," for a given value of such, but it's not going to immerse me in the movie when I can't friggin' see anything, it's going to make me angry at the director for making a movie where I can't friggin' see anything, and then I start picking apart how maybe it's "realistic" that there's one light source there, but how the entire scene could have been contrived in multiple other ways so that I could SEE THE MOVIE. Realism and suspension of disbelief are not the same thing, and there's such a thing as realism that breaks suspension of disbelief. I'll sometimes pick up a fantasy novel that boasts like "OH YEAH WE'VE GOT REALISM THIS IS REALISTIC MAGIC" and then it bogs down the prose with like weird out of nowhere mini lessons in physics that suddenly become dry and plainly written because the author is stopping to back up how this is a 'realistic' thing to have happen, and yeah it just. It's a real buzzkill. Some authors do it poorly enough to push me out of the book entirely because their effort to try and establish the realism of the situation ends up being worse than if it had been some totally unrealistic "a wizard can do this" clownf***ery just because the painstaking effort taken to prove its realism made for a page that was less interesting to read on the whole. Realism isn't always an inherent good in fiction and it can hurt a work in a lot of ways when it gets seen as a virtue to focus on. |
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Post by Chiral on Jul 13, 2023 23:11:49 GMT -5
Trying to think of what the movie equivalent is, and it feels weird to pick this because it's on such a lesser scale of bad than the seizure sell, but: It's like when David Lowery or like-minded directors decide that the only lighting in the scene is going to come from in-universe light sources. Sure, that's technically more "realistic," for a given value of such, but it's not going to immerse me in the movie when I can't friggin' see anything, it's going to make me angry at the director for making a movie where I can't friggin' see anything, and then I start picking apart how maybe it's "realistic" that there's one light source there, but how the entire scene could have been contrived in multiple other ways so that I could SEE THE MOVIE. Realism and suspension of disbelief are not the same thing, and there's such a thing as realism that breaks suspension of disbelief. I'll sometimes pick up a fantasy novel that boasts like "OH YEAH WE'VE GOT REALISM THIS IS REALISTIC MAGIC" and then it bogs down the prose with like weird out of nowhere mini lessons in physics that suddenly become dry and plainly written because the author is stopping to back up how this is a 'realistic' thing to have happen, and yeah it just. It's a real buzzkill. Some authors do it poorly enough to push me out of the book entirely because their effort to try and establish the realism of the situation ends up being worse than if it had been some totally unrealistic "a wizard can do this" clownf***ery just because the painstaking effort taken to prove its realism made for a page that was less interesting to read on the whole. Realism isn't always an inherent good in fiction and it can hurt a work in a lot of ways when it gets seen as a virtue to focus on. And then halfway through the author stops all narration to be like "oh my god I think I'm having a heart attack for real this isn't part of the book" but a few pages later is like "just kidding" and the book resumes with pages and pages of magic system explanations |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 13, 2023 23:13:49 GMT -5
I'll sometimes pick up a fantasy novel that boasts like "OH YEAH WE'VE GOT REALISM THIS IS REALISTIC MAGIC" and then it bogs down the prose with like weird out of nowhere mini lessons in physics that suddenly become dry and plainly written because the author is stopping to back up how this is a 'realistic' thing to have happen, and yeah it just. It's a real buzzkill. Some authors do it poorly enough to push me out of the book entirely because their effort to try and establish the realism of the situation ends up being worse than if it had been some totally unrealistic "a wizard can do this" clownf***ery just because the painstaking effort taken to prove its realism made for a page that was less interesting to read on the whole. Realism isn't always an inherent good in fiction and it can hurt a work in a lot of ways when it gets seen as a virtue to focus on. And then halfway through the author stops all narration to be like "oh my god I think I'm having a heart attack for real this isn't part of the book" but a few pages later is like "just kidding" and the book resumes with pages and pages of magic system explanations The House of Leaves guy really dropped the ball with his jump into high fantasy |
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Post by Malibu Albino on Jul 13, 2023 23:38:48 GMT -5
You can tell this is mostly a non-issue because the only arguments against it have been the weirdest takes I’ve seen on this board since “I look better than Ricky Starks.”
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 13, 2023 23:39:28 GMT -5
I love horror movies, I love the feeling of dread and discomfort when I'm watching something where I don't ever have to think "Oh man wait hold on did this really happen?" because I'm just like kinda stoned and watching Skinamarink so it doesn't really become something where I have to worry about that. I don't watch pro wrestling to feel discomfort or to have to wonder if someone is going to be okay in real life. It makes wrestling actually feel less real to me because any time wrestling tries to be "real" and say "NO NO THIS IS LEGIT NOW WE'RE SERIOUS" it feels like an amateur magic show. It reminds me that I'm watching something that isn't real but hwich would really really like for me to think it is. I actually checked out during the Okada match at Forbidden Door because the spot took me out of the show and hurt my interest in the match. That's bad. That's the opposite of what I want to be experiencing and watching. Trying to think of what the movie equivalent is, and it feels weird to pick this because it's on such a lesser scale of bad than the seizure sell, but: It's like when David Lowery or like-minded directors decide that the only lighting in the scene is going to come from in-universe light sources. Sure, that's technically more "realistic," for a given value of such, but it's not going to immerse me in the movie when I can't friggin' see anything, it's going to make me angry at the director for making a movie where I can't friggin' see anything, and then I start picking apart how maybe it's "realistic" that there's one light source there, but how the entire scene could have been contrived in multiple other ways so that I could SEE THE MOVIE. Realism and suspension of disbelief are not the same thing, and there's such a thing as realism that breaks suspension of disbelief. Yeah, it's like the anecdote between Sean Astin and the director of photography or something similar when they filmed Lord of the Rings Sean: where is all this light coming from? DoP: The same place as the music. We're telling a story we're not a nature documentary. It's the same reason I never missed blood when it was gone either. These people are already risking serious injury preforming for me I don't need them to bleed for me either. Danielson is one of the best wrestlers to lace up a pair of boots, he doesn't need me to go into worrying if he's going to have a seizure and f***ing die due to the amount of concussions he has just to suck me into the story of a match. edit: furthermore Wrestling is bullshit... it's always been bullshit... people have known it was bullshit for almost 100 years... if i wanted to watch something "Real" I wouldn't watch the thing where a guy puts his hands in his pockets and gets a boost to his ability... I'd watch MMA or Boxing... and if that shit happened there the match would be called and they'd cut away from ringside to not show someone having a seizure in the ring/octagon. |
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Post by Cyno on Jul 13, 2023 23:42:37 GMT -5
Mox is not only one of AEW's top talents, but also someone with an official backstage role, is considered a locker room leader, and has the ear of Tony Khan himself. I doubt this changes much of anything with his matches except maybe asking him to calm down on the bladejobs a bit.
Like, we've literally got a match called "Blood and Guts" next week.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 13, 2023 23:52:50 GMT -5
Due to the new rules and to soften expectations, Blood and Guts will now be promoted as "Love and Cuddles".
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Post by schizo on Jul 14, 2023 0:18:32 GMT -5
Due to the new rules and to soften expectations, Blood and Guts will now be promoted as "Love and Cuddles". The ring and steel cage will be replaced with 2 inflatable bounce houses and instead of blood the wrestlers will be covered in confetti |
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UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jul 14, 2023 0:32:39 GMT -5
there’s no rule that says you can’t rip ass in your opponents face
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 14, 2023 0:34:52 GMT -5
there's no rule that says a dog can't compete in a wrestling match!
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 14, 2023 0:36:15 GMT -5
I do have to wonder what this could potentially mean for the future with AEW talents taking outside bookings. If these mandates are them wanting to protect AEW talents inside their own ring, would it only be a matter of time until they start taking notice of what AEW talents do outside of it?
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UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jul 14, 2023 0:42:43 GMT -5
Tony khan can’t stop anyone on the roster from force feeding their opponent with hot dogs until they tap out
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