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Post by Hypnosis on Jul 20, 2023 19:36:27 GMT -5
This one could be real interesting. I bet Pac attacks Gravity after the match saying “Do you remember me now?” That needs to happen.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 20, 2023 19:38:15 GMT -5
This is a pretty good card all things considered.
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Post by Starshine on Jul 20, 2023 21:47:12 GMT -5
What's nuts is I'm pretty sure Castagnoli and PAC have only had like a handful of singles matches all up. I remember them wrestling at a BOLA ages ago, I think they also had a Chiakra match around the same time, and had 2 or 3 matches in NXT.
When you think of how good CC is at wrestling smaller flyers, that's pretty crazy.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 20, 2023 22:30:32 GMT -5
They gotta do something about this six man stuff. How much longer can we just have The Embassy beat down random assortments of three dudes?
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Post by clifford on Jul 21, 2023 3:42:15 GMT -5
Dumped on this a lot I know and I also know there were issues putting the card together but neither Claudio/Eddie or Joe/Mark were being featured as storylines on the weekly show either?
As it stands on this card you have Dark Order/Righteous and Shibata/Garcia as matches that have been actually set up through storylines on your weekly show- at a stretch you can say Joe/Castle too cause they did the tournament over the last two weeks.
But everything else has either been set up through events on AEW tv or just thrown together at the last minute. Look, last I'll vent on all this I promise but the premise of a weekly ROH show as it exists now is meaningless. I really hope stuff changes after this show.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 21, 2023 3:56:18 GMT -5
Dumped on this a lot I know and I also know there were issues putting the card together but neither Claudio/Eddie or Joe/Mark were being featured as storylines on the weekly show either? As it stands on this card you have Dark Order/Righteous and Shibata/Garcia as matches that have been actually set up through storylines on your weekly show- at a stretch you can say Joe/Castle too cause they did the tournament over the last two weeks. But everything else has either been set up through events on AEW tv or just thrown together at the last minute. Look, last I'll vent on all this I promise but the premise of a weekly ROH show as it exists now is meaningless. I really hope stuff changes after this show. They couldn't put much together for Claudio and PAC because of that though, they had to set it up on Blood and Guts and there isn't another ROH show before then, this was their best case because ROH is filmed on Saturday, so... outside of maybe some vignettes there just wasn't gonna be anything Also Athena/Willow was played up on both shows I thought and the socials, really feels like the biggest match of the night there where either one could realistically win The Six Man belts need more actual competition (SIGN THE SPECTRAL ENVOY JESUS) and Komander/Gravity seems to be following what Vikingo/Komander did. I just hope it all comes together for a good show, afterwards Tony is likely gonna re-evaluate some things, I imagine his post-scrum, he usually has one after every ROH, might delve deeper into that.
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Post by clifford on Jul 21, 2023 4:02:17 GMT -5
Dumped on this a lot I know and I also know there were issues putting the card together but neither Claudio/Eddie or Joe/Mark were being featured as storylines on the weekly show either? As it stands on this card you have Dark Order/Righteous and Shibata/Garcia as matches that have been actually set up through storylines on your weekly show- at a stretch you can say Joe/Castle too cause they did the tournament over the last two weeks. But everything else has either been set up through events on AEW tv or just thrown together at the last minute. Look, last I'll vent on all this I promise but the premise of a weekly ROH show as it exists now is meaningless. I really hope stuff changes after this show. They couldn't put much together for Claudio and PAC because of that though, they had to set it up on Blood and Guts and there isn't another ROH show before then, this was their best case because ROH is filmed on Saturday, so... outside of maybe some vignettes there just wasn't gonna be anything Also Athena/Willow was played up on both shows I thought and the socials, really feels like the biggest match of the night there where either one could realistically win The Six Man belts need more actual competition (SIGN THE SPECTRAL ENVOY JESUS) and Komander/Gravity seems to be following what Vikingo/Komander did. I just hope it all comes together for a good show, afterwards Tony is likely gonna re-evaluate some things, I imagine his post-scrum, he usually has one after every ROH, might delve deeper into that. Yeah look I know it reads like I'm hating on this new ROH but its just frustration cause all the pieces are there for a kickass weekly show and they're just fumbling the bag. Hopefully things pick up from here on out.
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Post by markymark on Jul 21, 2023 7:31:02 GMT -5
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 21, 2023 9:14:43 GMT -5
Damn, I've been to a pretty good number of NJPW shows in the states, and I don't remember Taguchi coming over very often, interesting. I fully anticipate him trying to get his partners to throw the Embassy into his ass, only to have Cage stand threateningly behind him while he's playing to the crowd.
Really crazy to see the hoops this card has gone through, but I do think it indicates that ROH will be better off once it can fully focus on itself. It makes sense to use some higher card AEW folks to draw a little more interest/sell some more tickets/etc., but that's a lot of moving parts with guys appearing on multiple shows that can create a delicate balancing act once there are conflicting schedules, injuries, and the like.
Clearly the deal with WB for TV not materializing was a blow they're still probably trying to form a full answer to, but it'd be nice to see ROH TV tapings maybe being done in more intimate settings in markets with a more established history with the promotion, rather than having to rely on doing preshow stuff during AEW cards. It'd probably let them settle on a more consistent full time roster that's ROH specific (or at least only occasionally pops up on AEW) and make putting these cards together a bit simpler, but again a lot of that also likely hinges on getting an actual deal somewhere with wider exposure.
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Post by CeilingFan on Jul 21, 2023 11:27:57 GMT -5
My picks for the title matches :
Pac. Castle. Kingdom. Willow. Shiibata.
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Post by markymark on Jul 21, 2023 13:20:27 GMT -5
This looks to be the match order for tonight.
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Post by Facetious on Jul 21, 2023 13:37:25 GMT -5
They couldn't put much together for Claudio and PAC because of that though, they had to set it up on Blood and Guts and there isn't another ROH show before then, this was their best case because ROH is filmed on Saturday, so... outside of maybe some vignettes there just wasn't gonna be anything Also Athena/Willow was played up on both shows I thought and the socials, really feels like the biggest match of the night there where either one could realistically win The Six Man belts need more actual competition (SIGN THE SPECTRAL ENVOY JESUS) and Komander/Gravity seems to be following what Vikingo/Komander did. I just hope it all comes together for a good show, afterwards Tony is likely gonna re-evaluate some things, I imagine his post-scrum, he usually has one after every ROH, might delve deeper into that. Yeah look I know it reads like I'm hating on this new ROH but its just frustration cause all the pieces are there for a kickass weekly show and they're just fumbling the bag. Hopefully things pick up from here on out. It's actually why I'm not buying the show. While the card looks good enough on paper, I don't think "rewarding" (if that's the right word) TK/AEW/ROH with a purchase when they stumbled along for this is not worthwhile. Like, I know my purchase isn't going to usher in a change for ROH, but I do think enough people doing it might force a change
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 21, 2023 15:18:36 GMT -5
Yeah look I know it reads like I'm hating on this new ROH but its just frustration cause all the pieces are there for a kickass weekly show and they're just fumbling the bag. Hopefully things pick up from here on out. It's actually why I'm not buying the show. While the card looks good enough on paper, I don't think "rewarding" (if that's the right word) TK/AEW/ROH with a purchase when they stumbled along for this is not worthwhile. Like, I know my purchase isn't going to usher in a change for ROH, but I do think enough people doing it might force a change I don't think it'd have more of an impact than what appears to be the chaos that swirled around getting this show set; I'm guessing that, beyond all the injuries and changes in availability, the launch of Collision played a big role in complicating things, too. That said, I can't really fault anyone if they're not totally feeling it, plunking down money when you feel like only a couple of the matches have gotten enough build to feel really earned is certainly an ask on a Friday night.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Jul 21, 2023 16:00:15 GMT -5
Bit the bullet and ordered this. Had a long day at work, so I'm just gonna relax with my new tradition of Mexican food and wrestling.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jul 21, 2023 16:08:52 GMT -5
Bit the bullet and ordered this. Had a long day at work, so I'm just gonna relax with my new tradition of Mexican food and wrestling.
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Post by bob on Jul 21, 2023 16:35:42 GMT -5
Bit the bullet and ordered this. Had a long day at work, so I'm just gonna relax with my new tradition of Mexican food and wrestling. YOUR HOLE!!!
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Jul 21, 2023 18:01:23 GMT -5
We are LIVE with the Zero Hour!
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Jul 21, 2023 18:04:03 GMT -5
Josh Woods taking on "Hot Sauce" Tracy Williams!
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Jul 21, 2023 18:04:45 GMT -5
Christopher Daniels, Jerry Lynn and JIMMY JACOBS are your Pure rules judges!
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Jul 21, 2023 18:16:44 GMT -5
Good opening match, liked the use of the rope breaks to set up the eventual finish. Up next, Workhorsemen vs. Action Andretti and Darius Martin!
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