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Post by dex on Aug 5, 2023 23:15:06 GMT -5
Outside of Charlotte vs Rhea has there been any matches this year that anyone could call top tier or motyc worthy?
Bianca vs Asuka at WM was not very good. The triple threat tonight wasn't great either, and the Ronda vs Shayna match was received poorly as well.
The tag division has been a mess . With the wrestle mania tag match between Damage Control and Trish, Becky, and Lita being not very good at all. There was also that pretty bad Raquel and Liv vs Trish and Becky match.
IMO a few things that have hurt the division are that Charlotte who has wlawyas been a little hit and miss, is now far more miss than hit. She'll still have a great match every once in a blue moon but on average her performances are not high quality usually. Also I think Asuka has lost a step she's still good but she's not a guaranteed 4 star match producer in title/big matches like she used to be. Also the fact that Rhea who is one of the best wrestlers in the division is wrestling only sporadically also doesn't help things
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 5, 2023 23:19:29 GMT -5
Uh... Bianca and IYO at Backlash was good other than the stupid ending, that's all I've got.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 5, 2023 23:20:59 GMT -5
It's been rough... NXT's women's division feels like it's been better quality and they're supposed to be developmental
Some women have taken a huge step back in ring, Charlotte especially, but mainly the bookings been all over the place. Trish/Becky and Rhea not even being on the SS card is a huge blunder.
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Post by asuka007 on Aug 5, 2023 23:22:04 GMT -5
If tonight was supposed to show why Becky, Trish, and Rhea being left off was ok. Then if most certainly did NOT!
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Aug 5, 2023 23:23:26 GMT -5
if i ever have to watch something like that ronda/baszler match again i'm gonna leap out the wall like kool aid man
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Aug 5, 2023 23:25:05 GMT -5
The division is very uneven. Rhea has been getting the best out of everyone but she doesn't wrestle that often. The division has other workhorses but the quality has oddly dipped and chemistry hasn't developed and I don't know why.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 5, 2023 23:31:06 GMT -5
I think age and miles on the clock might be starting to hit some of these top stars. Like, Flair is 37 and nearly a full decade in of the full WWE schedule at this point. Asuka is 42 in September and has had both the gruelling WWE schedule and the physical joshi career before that going as far back as 2004, so she's nearly 20 years in now. The miles aren't as much on Lynch (36), because she was retired for six years before she signed to WWE.
Basically, they need to start transitioning away more from Flair and (as much as some of you don't want to hear it because we still want her proper "designated protagonist" title run) Asuka as the main aces of the division, like they've been trying to do with Lynch and Bayley. They're right to go with Belair and Ripley as their future aces, and I like their restraint in keeping them from each other to this point, but they need more than that.
This is where they're really missing Sasha Banks now.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Aug 5, 2023 23:31:14 GMT -5
I think Becky, Rhea and Iyo have been the most consistent women all year.
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Post by dex on Aug 5, 2023 23:32:19 GMT -5
The division is very uneven. Rhea has been getting the best out of everyone but she doesn't wrestle that often. The division has other workhorses but the quality has oddly dipped and chemistry hasn't developed and I don't know why. Doesn't help that they have one of their most exciting fast paced athletic wrestlers in the division playing the role of chickenshit heel who usually doesn't get much offense in her matches. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 5, 2023 23:33:00 GMT -5
The division is very uneven. Rhea has been getting the best out of everyone but she doesn't wrestle that often. The division has other workhorses but the quality has oddly dipped and chemistry hasn't developed and I don't know why. This has been an issue for years too and Hunter has yet to fix it, we have almost zero interesting undercard feuds, and when they finally do a non title one in Becky/Trish/Zoey it gets left off the PPV card They have two categories for girls, the champs, and fodder, and maybe a few teams to keep warm in the tag division, it isn't sustainable, and it's been a longstanding issue since the "Revolution" |
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Post by Fade on Aug 5, 2023 23:33:24 GMT -5
Outside of Charlotte vs Rhea has there been any matches this year that anyone could call top tier or motyc worthy? Bianca vs Asuka at WM was not very good. The triple threat tonight wasn't great either, and the Ronda vs Shayna match was received poorly as well. The tag division has been a mess . With the wrestle mania tag match between Damage Control and Trish, Becky, and Lita being not very good at all. There was also that pretty bad Raquel and Liv vs Trish and Becky match. IMO a few things that have hurt the division are that Charlotte who has wlawyas been a little hit and miss, is now far more miss than hit. She'll still have a great match every once in a blue moon but on average her performances are not high quality usually. Also I think Asuka has lost a step she's still good but she's not a guaranteed 4 star match producer in title/big matches like she used to be. Also the fact that Rhea who is one of the best wrestlers in the division is wrestling only sporadically also doesn't help things I liked both Bianca Vs Asuka at WM, and the triple threat match. I wouldn’t deem each moty contender but you’re right OP that Rhea/Charlotte is definitely up there. Still can’t believe (well. Kind of can) big daddy meltz didn’t give that five stars. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2023 23:33:44 GMT -5
Other than IYO Vs Bianca at Backlash I can't think of any.
It is a case though of less than a handful of women getting the time and attention to do so but also while we have talented women only a handul are capable IMO of getting you a MOTY level match.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 5, 2023 23:33:56 GMT -5
Honestly, the quality of women's wrestling has been pretty down in both WWE and AEW. Hell, neither is really even giving them any storylines worth caring about either.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 5, 2023 23:34:30 GMT -5
They need some new blood
People like Charlotte, Asuka aren't consistently good performers anymore with their age and tolls on their body starting to take shape. The reputation for some has far surpassed their actual skill. It is a bit of a transition period right now
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Post by nm on Aug 5, 2023 23:34:55 GMT -5
They could've put all of the matches on the card if they didn't have every single segment be glacial length. It's ridiculous how long they take to do everything.  |
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Post by J is Justice on Aug 5, 2023 23:35:53 GMT -5
Mercedes/Sasha leaving has really hurt the quality, I think.
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Post by asuka007 on Aug 5, 2023 23:39:06 GMT -5
The division is very uneven. Rhea has been getting the best out of everyone but she doesn't wrestle that often. The division has other workhorses but the quality has oddly dipped and chemistry hasn't developed and I don't know why. This has been an issue for years too and Hunter has yet to fix it, we have almost zero interesting undercard feuds, and when they finally do a non title one in Becky/Trish/Zoey it gets left off the PPV card They have two categories for girls, the champs, and fodder, and maybe a few teams to keep warm in the tag division, it isn't sustainable, and it's been a longstanding issue since the "Revolution" Where is Candice, Indi, Tegan, Piper, Alba and Isla, etc? It’s not like thru division doesn’t have talent. They just aren’t being USED!! |
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Post by dex on Aug 5, 2023 23:40:47 GMT -5
This is where they're really missing Sasha Banks now. This is a good point. Sasha was the youngest of the 4HW and probably the best inning performer overall . She had good chemistry with most everyone. They really miss her. |
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Post by theironyuppie on Aug 5, 2023 23:40:49 GMT -5
Not PLE, but Rhea’s recent matches with Natalya and Lyra were both very good, in addition to the Mania match obviously being a classic. It’s going to help when she’s wrestling more often again.
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Post by asuka007 on Aug 5, 2023 23:45:02 GMT -5
Very telling when Kris Statlander vs. Mercedes Martinez on Collision was better than both of your women’s Summerslam matches.
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